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Started 20th Jan, 2022
Papers from research work
Is it accepted that a research supervisor publishes a paper from the ph. d or master thesis one of his students without the student permission.
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Yes that is a long conflict. Every one remember different events. There are situations where the student will think that he done most work while advisor remember different events in which he come-out with the idea(s). Hence this is subjective situation. There are those who believe that for master thesis the advisor should be first and for phd the student should be first. In practice it should who contribute the most |(the idea(s) and not the work). While there can be strange situations from both sides, I advocate for arbitrary solution depending on the field the research is done. Master advisor first and for phd students the student first. In the word strange I refers to situations like my material was literally stolen from my file cabinet and I found later that I am a second author of that material after it was published. Ethically, I think material should be publish with the student and mostly by the active participation of the student. If paper should be published from a dissertation it should contain a statement that student consents to the paper.
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Federal Agency for Cartography and Geodesy
The ethics of scientific practice demand that only those should be authors of a publication who contributed to it (and one may assume that a supervisor contributed), and that authors (like the student who did even most of the work) should not be excluded arbitrarily. The copyright law in many countries does also not allow to publish a text, picture etc. without the permission of the author/creator.
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Federal Agency for Cartography and Geodesy
The ethics of scientific practice demand that only those should be authors of a publication who contributed to it (and one may assume that a supervisor contributed), and that authors (like the student who did even most of the work) should not be excluded arbitrarily. The copyright law in many countries does also not allow to publish a text, picture etc. without the permission of the author/creator.
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Potto Project NFP
I have seen people taking others' work and publishing it without permission. When the perpetrator is the advisor legally you have little options and all very bad. It is not acceptable but it happens. Not ethical but some advisors are not ethical. The only way to fight it is to published it. and hope that they will not have a new victim.
Griffith University
It is totally unacceptable to publish without the concern of his student. If the student takes legal action against the supervisor then the supervisor's career will be in danger.
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Potto Project NFP
Shuraik Kader I wish that you were right. The system is set to be on the advisor side. you will find that Judges invent facts etc. I think that the only case that you have chance is if your supervisor is male and the student is female and she claim also sexual harassment. If you try to find legal action in google search (it is on google scholar but checking for legal opinions ) you will find there is almost no such successful cases. But again if the student would like to take 2-3 years of their life to fight then it let it be. I believe that you meet good people so far and I wish that it will continue for you.
Hawassa University, Hawassa, Ethiopia
It is not acceptable for supervisors to publish a paper arising from either PhD or Masters Thesis without the consent and involvement of the concerned student.
Federal Agency for Cartography and Geodesy
There was a similar request recently: https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_action_can_you_take_against_someone_who_has_published_an_article_in_a_journal_but_did_not_give_you_a_rightful_authorship
My reply was: "This depends on your institution. There should be official rules for good scientific work and a commission or an ombudsperson responsible for compliance with the rules. You should contact them."
If there is no such commission or ombudsperson, one may at least discuss this with other students or faculty members.
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Federal Agency for Cartography and Geodesy
See also this more general discussion on scientific misconduct: https://www.researchgate.net/post/How_big_of_a_problem_is_scientific_misconduct
International Islamic University Chittagong
Can any student get her/his dissertation published without the supervisor's permission? Is inclusion of outside faculty with her/his name acceptable in the work?
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Potto Project NFP
To Salma Haque In theory the answer is yes but the results is such not having a degree as it already published material. Especially if you get your advisor
angry. For example there is famous engineer Aris (who wrote math books) who got mad on his advisor. He give up on his Ph.D and publish his work in a book and later it became several books. Yes, you can, unless you are in Aris level, check with your advisor.
International Islamic University Chittagong
Thank you for your answer@Genick Bar-Meir. At least for the sake of courtesy, a student must inform the supervisor about the publication. She ignored the supervisor without whose immense help she could not have completed the dissertation.
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Dhofar University
Dear Dr Ayman Hussein Hosny Khalil . I think no because it is a cooperation work between the student and the supervisor . So both should cooperate together to publish the papers from the thesis.
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glyXera GmbH, Magdeburg
Hmmm... Publication without the student's permission seems to be a problem that many students would like to have... Usually it happens other way round: someone's name is unfairly "forgotten" despite his/her contribution. In the cover letter, the corresponding author must say that "all co-authors have read the text and approved its submission to this journal". Some high-ranking journals, however, are more strict with that and require all the signatures. In this case every single co-author has a "veto right"... But again, a student is vitally interested in publication and won't harm himself except the case of a deadly offense or sexual abuse from the supervisor...
Potto Project NFP
Yes that is a long conflict. Every one remember different events. There are situations where the student will think that he done most work while advisor remember different events in which he come-out with the idea(s). Hence this is subjective situation. There are those who believe that for master thesis the advisor should be first and for phd the student should be first. In practice it should who contribute the most |(the idea(s) and not the work). While there can be strange situations from both sides, I advocate for arbitrary solution depending on the field the research is done. Master advisor first and for phd students the student first. In the word strange I refers to situations like my material was literally stolen from my file cabinet and I found later that I am a second author of that material after it was published. Ethically, I think material should be publish with the student and mostly by the active participation of the student. If paper should be published from a dissertation it should contain a statement that student consents to the paper.
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