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Terraforming Mars has captured the imagination of scientists, engineers, and space enthusiasts alike. Traditional proposals involve timescales of centuries and even millennia to revitalize Mars. In this discussion, let's explore various approaches with a special focus on methods that could accelerate the process. One such approach, explained in my latest preprint involves creating dayside magnetic reconnection events at the Mars-Sun L1 point to speed up atmospheric building and surface warming. I would love to hear your feedback and discuss other promising techniques for rapidly transforming Mars. Keep in mind that when I use the word 'terraforming,' I do not necessarily mean that we could walk around outside without suits, but rather kickstart the planet by building its atmosphere, partially melting the ice caps, heating the surface, raising water from the bedrock, etc., and initiating noticeable and significant progress. Let’s discuss diverse ideas and strategies that could make Mars a home for future generations faster than previously imagined.
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Thank you, J.M! Given the slow nature of microbial processes, what role do you think they could play in accelerating the terraforming process? It sounds like you’re suggesting biological processes can work in conjunction with engineering approaches… Interesting! J.M Lahiru Kavinda
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In your opinion, what is the essence of life in the context of the Universe, i.e. in the context of other life forms potentially occurring on many distant exoplanets relative to the known life occurring on planet Earth?
How do you think very different forms of life might exist on distant exoplanets relative to the life forms we know?
Given what we know and what we don't know about the cosmos, how different do you think life forms might be on distant exoplanets relative to the known life forms found on planet Earth?
Considering how different environmental, climatic, geological conditions, the composition of elements and inorganic and possibly also organic compounds, etc. on distant exoplanets may be under many or even all of the categories known to us, how different life forms may exist on these other planets located many millions of light years from our solar system?
According to some astrophysicists, what we do not know about the cosmos is estimated to be 96 per cent. Included in this is, for example, the essence of dark matter beyond the Universe as we know it and dark matter causing the expansion of the Universe as we know it. Life in its essence is defined in an ambiguous way. Depending on whether the definition refers only to life forms found on planet Earth or to possible other life forms that may exist on distant exoplanets, the definition of life is not necessarily the same.
Depending on what role the billions-of-years-long process of evolution of life forms on planet Earth has played in the development of life forms and the resolution of the question of the randomness of the emergence of life on different exoplanets or the intentionality of the evolutionary process aimed, for example, at the to the creation of more and more complex forms of life, forms of life increasingly adaptable to specific, changing environmental conditions of a specific exoplanet, increasingly better adapted to different environments, and to the possibly intentional or accidental bringing about of intelligent beings, including beings forming organised civilisations, changing the environment of the planet and aiming at space exploration, colonisation of other exoplanets similar to their home planet. These eventualities to be resolved that have not been resolved are many. Consequently, defining the essence of life in the context of possibly other extraterrestrial life forms on many exoplanets is not uniform. In the context of potential completely other, unknown forms of extraterrestrial life that probably occur on many distant exoplanets, life can be defined as a process of spontaneous, self-contained, independent, organised processing of matter based on energy acquired from the environment and forming, through this process, more complex structures of specific chemical compounds, elements of matter available on a specific planet and adapting to the more or less variable environment of the planet, etc. It is likely that many questions will be answered when the first evidence of the existence of other forms of extraterrestrial life occurring on many distant exoplanets emerges. There are already more than 5 500 confirmed existing exoplanets, and there is already fragmentary information about another 9 000, also suggesting their existence. This knowledge has been building up very rapidly over the past decade or so. On some of Jupiter's moons, there are deep water oceans many kilometres deep beneath the icy crust, in which specific but as yet unknown chemical compounds and perhaps certain other forms of life exist. For example, there are planets in our Solar System with largely different environments to planet Earth. For example, the atmosphere of Venus contains mainly sulphuric acid. But does this rule out the existence of some firm, less organised, procariot-type life forms. Not necessarily.
In view of the above, I address the following questions to the esteemed community of scientists and researchers:
Given what we know and what we do not know about the cosmos, how much different environmental, climatic, geological conditions, composition of elements and inorganic and possibly also organic compounds etc. on distant exoplanets can be, how much different life forms can exist on these other planets located many millions of light years from our solar system?
Given what we know and what we don't know about the cosmos, how very different life forms might exist on distant exoplanets to the known life forms found on our planet Earth?
How do you think very different life forms might exist on distant exoplanets to the life forms we know?
What do you think is the essence of life in the context of the Universe, i.e. in the context of other life forms potentially occurring on many distant exoplanets in relation to the known life occurring on planet Earth?
In your opinion, what is the essence of life in the context of the millions of planet Earth-like exoplanets found in the Universe?
What is the essence of life in the context of the Universe?
What do you think about this topic?
What is your opinion on this subject?
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I invite you all to discuss,
Counting on your opinions, on getting to know your personal opinion, on an honest approach to the discussion of scientific issues and not the ready-made answers generated in ChatGPT, I deliberately used the phrase "in your opinion" in the question.
The above text is entirely my own work written by me on the basis of my research.
I have not used other sources or automatic text generation systems such as ChatGPT in writing this text.
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I don't know the best answer for it. But good answer is Earth-like exoplanets are our colonial target to sustain by terraforming with the help of asteroid impact to create magnetosphere -air-aqua-atmosphere like our Earth. Simply,Earth is the prototype to examine and validate this feasibility.
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Will the manned space mission to Mars planned for the 2030s be mainly a technological race between superpowers, like the manned mission to the Moon in the 1970s, or will it rather be an international research mission to explore the possibility of establishing a permanent exploration base and possibly also the future colonisation of Mars?
Apart from this, one key research question that is not and probably still may remain unanswered for many years to come is the following:
Did rivers and seas exist on Mars millions of years ago and in them and perhaps next to them perhaps various forms of life existed?
Perhaps getting a clear answer to this question will require a manned space mission and the establishment of a permanent research base on Mars.
What is your opinion on this?
What is your opinion on this subject?
Please reply,
I invite you all to discuss,
Thank you very much,
Thank you,
Warm regards,
Dariusz Prokopowicz
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Hi Dariusz, considering the ARTEMIS mission to the Moon (the launch date is approaching), NASA is collaborating with ESA. Thus, we may think that for future ambitious missions to Mars an international collaboration will be required also. Concerning the existence of seas and rivers on Mars in the past, it seems that geological formation that can be observed today suggest the possible existence of these seas and rivers. I don't know if manned missions and a permanent Mars base will allow to answer all the questions. Today, thanks to the different rovers that have been sent to Mars (Opportunity, Curiosity ,Perseverance, ...) in-situ experiments have been performed. These experiments give interesting information concerning the composition of the soil plus many other scientific results.
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Currently, sent probes to the planet Mars can provide valuable information. Based on these new information, it will be possible to get answers to particularly important questions.
The most interesting information that can really be obtained during flights to Mars is primarily the answer to the following questions:
- was there any life on Mars?
- if YES is in what forms this life occurred?
- Was there any water, lakes and rivers on Mars?
- Has there ever been a similar or somewhat different atmosphere on Mars, what was its chemical composition?
- whether there were climatic and natural zones similar to Earths on Mars?
e.t.c.
In view of the above, I would like to ask you: What else can you explore on the planet Mars and what questions do you get?
Please, answer, comments. I invite you to the discussion.
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Dear Gerges Francis Tawdrous,
Thank you very much for your participation in our discussion and for the relevant information provided to help define the data, trajectory of Mars' motion.
Thank you, Regards,
Dariusz Prokopowicz
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Once the ices of comets sublimate, where do they move to, and with which equations do you describe their motion in the interplanetary medium?
Similarly, where do the gases that are stripped from the atmospheres of rocky planets go, and how do we model the interaction of these gas molecules?
How is the interaction of these gas molecules with solar radiation modeled to predict their motion?
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Mario Sucerquia you do know that these are not most gases but plasma. Even on our planet as you go higher in the atmosphere the molecules become more ionized. Space is plasma. Magnetohydrodynamics is where you should start looking. There are comets that have two tails one that curves and one that is straight. Which one do you think is ionized? "where do the gases that are stripped from the atmospheres of rocky planets go" they also follow the magnetic lines of force. Tell you what though, I believe Venus, Titan, and the Earth owe their nitrogen atmospheres to magnetism and not gravity as you were taught. Sincerely, Prof CG Yukna
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Question: since the findings of unmanned missions are many times what are gained by manned space missions why does the public care less about unmanned missions (which cost much less and go farther into space)?
How can the major findings of unmanned space missions be made more of interest?
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Gloria, while I agree with James generally that it is hard for people to empathise with 'inanimate objects', I don't think the issue is quite so black and white.
I think most people have lost interest in what's happening on the Space Station, despite there being humans involved. I'm sure the research done there is important, but there's nothing to see - in a dramatic sense.
By contrast, the photos from the Voyager probes, the images from the Mars Rovers, and the Rosetta/Philae comet rendezvous, I feel, all generated a lot of public interest, because they were all going where no one had been before, showing us better, closer images than available from Earth, and doing things that we previously never thought we could do.
This is an old debate. 'Mere' scientific research will never attract the public interest unless it is something new and exciting. Human missions will, because we can relate to them, personally. It might not be me up there, but it's someone like me, and isn't it incredible that we can do that.
That's what opens the doors to Government funding for all sorts of other space research. People want to see something for their money.
And if we don't put people into space, and open the possibility of living on other worlds, then there are a lot of people out there ready to dismiss all space research as a waste of money - everyone from those who don't want to believe any of it was real in the first place, to the Green lobbies who want to know why we're wasting money on such stuff when the world is in so much trouble.
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I am a third year Mechanical Engineering student from Sardar Vallabhbhai National Institute of Technology Surat, India. I am interested in pursuing higher studies in the field of space sciences, in particular study of planetary hydrodynamics, astrophysical plasma and electrical activities in planetary atmospheres.
I am looking for universities as I want to pursue higher studies and a career in the field mentioned above. Please give your suggestions and recommendations in the following format.
Name of university
Location
Research group, associated research (current, past and future prospects)
Admission criterion
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Paul: Master or PhD degree in Space Science (or related field)
1. University College London
2. Politecnico di Milano
3. The Open University
4. KU Leuven
5. University of Leicester
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Cloud morphology and cloud movements are often associated with nature of flow in a planetary atmosphere both locally and globally. They have us an inference about the atmospheric circulation.
Atmospheric transport processes are associated with both molecular dispersion and bulk transport of mass, momentum and energy.
Turbulence is associated with chaotic behavior of fluids in motion. In this regard, I would like to ask what are the effects of turbulent flow on the cloud morphology, both at macroscopic scales (i.e. features observable to naked eyes) and microscopic domain (aerosol and ion transport).
I read some texts on the nature of turbulence, and Kolmogorov scales. Is there any way to possibly estimate the effect, both in qualitative and quantitative manner?
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Please look the attachment, may be it will be interesting for you.
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I am looking for sources to learn about the computational methods applied to study atmospheric sciences. I have been learning computational fluid dynamics i.e. finite element and finite difference methods. Where should one start if one wants to study and get a good hold over the computational approach?
I have come across many statistical methods to study rarified medium and radiation matter interactions. Can anyone suggest a few sources regarding the same?
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Durran, Dale R. Numerical methods for wave equations in geophysical fluid dynamics. Vol. 32. Springer Science & Business Media, 2013.
could be a good starting point. The point mentioned in the previous post that geometries in atmospheric flows are simple is debatable, as soon as you want to consider orography and avoid coordinate transformation in the vertical direction.
This does not mean that spectral-like methods cannot be applied, but the recent trend is more towards spectral elements or high order finite elements (often DG) rather than the traditional spectral approaches, which however have had historically a key role in improving atmospheric models in the 70's and 80's.
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Fundamentally, we can address the key initial parameters in planetary formation, dynamics, and evolution as being astrophysical in nature. These astrophysical parameters lead to specific geologic and atmospheric conditions of every planet or moon. In a search for the most fundamental quantities that determine the characteristics of a planetary surface and atmosphere, I have devised the attached categories and list of parameters. My question is, which of these are the most fundamental and influential to the evolution of a planet or moon? Has the magnitude of importance of these fundamental quantities been tested? Most importantly: what mostly dictates how a planet become its unique set of conditions? Some qualities are guaranteed to be more imprint in some scenarios than in others, but which are the most common, and how do they manifest together into a unique planetary body? For example: changes in what parameters lead to what different planetary outcomes?
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The most fundamental property is likely to be the composition of the nebula the planetary system and star formed from. The ratios and abundances of certain elements from the nebula they all formed from will dictate the end composition of all the planets and the star itself.  All other variables are going to be influenced by the initial composition.
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Suppose a CME has occurred. How will we know whether it will reach Earth? If Earth is on one side of the sun and the CME occurs on the other side of the Sun, it will not affect the Earth. So how does one find out whether Earth was in the way of a CME? OR some other planet, like Venus? Are there any websites which provide this information? What is the extent of a CME?
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It is necessary to note that nobody knows real shape, velocity and trajectory of CME! So only modeling is available for us. Look movies with results of one of possible modelings at site http://helioweather.net/ (for 2011 file  http://helioweather.net/archive/2011/cmes2011_vel3r1e1a.mp4). Positions of several planets are shown.
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I'm trying to apply the method of liu-liang 2010 [1]. They use potential temperature difference between 20mb and 5mb above surface and a threshold of 1K for land and 0.2K for ocean and ice. But in my situation, the location of interest (Istanbul, Turkey) is between 2 sea and, in my opinion, can not be classified either as land or ocean. So, I think that I need to choose different threshold for stability classification near surface. Is there someone that is familiar with boundary layer meteorology and can point me to the right direction on this issue? I actually prefer answers from someone that is familiar especially with this article.
1- Liu and Liang, 2010, Observed Diurnal Cycle Climatology of Planetary Boundary Layer Height
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Thank you for the answer, Mrs. Cazorla. My question was a little cursory, so let me detail. I have sounding data with 1mb vertical resolution and I apply a statistical smoothing method that minimize the error between data points. Soundings are at 02 and 14 local time twice a day. My purposes are to identify PBLH and define a proper critical bulk richardson number but also I need to determine the stability condition near surface. We know that the pollutants near surface are affected by PBLH but also by stability/instability. For instance, stratification in a SBL will definitely effect the measurements of pollutants. My final goal is to use the calculated/observed meteorological parameters as input in a statistical machine learning model and investigate the parameter importance objectively and estimate the model performance. This kind of algorithms has stability issues and results might change by removing/adding one or two outliers. So, I need to calculate inputs as much as precisely.
Let me emphasize that I know PBLH determination methods by sounding are developed under some subjective assumptions. They moslty do not give the real PBLH but a representation of PBLH. I'm ok with this. 
"A sharp positive gradient in the potential temperature vertical profile will indicate an inversion above the surface that signals the upper boundary of the mixing layer."
This is an indicator of SBL and a sharp negative potential temperature gradient (PTG) is also might be an indicator of CBL. At this time, I have to answer the question; What should be the PTG threshold to determine the SBL or CBL? In [1], Dai et al, determined sharpness of PTG as 6.5 K/100m for SBL and 1.0 K/100m for CBL over arctic ocean. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of thresholds for PTG in the around. Also if you have high resolution sounding data, there is always a possibility to catch a spurious sharp PTG (negative or positive) near very close to surface, especially in an urban area (For instance, heat island effect especially in summer nights). So, at least for an urban area, search algorithm for a sharp PTG should start from an exact height above the surface to detect PBL instead of urban boundary layer. Beside this, sharpest PTG method will be highly based on vertical resolution. If we inspect a sounding profile visually, a neutral profile might be selected as convective or stable by PTG method. The issues mentioned here are valid for mixing ratio, too. 
As a side note, lots of authors using sounding data avoid using relative humidity because of the measurement uncertainty. This is the reason why I'm trying to avoid using mixing ratio.
"If what you are looking for (aside from identifying pblh) is to identify stability and instability layers in your sounding data, then I suggest using the Skew T - log P diagram method. There are operational meteorology manuals that can lead you slowly through this graphical method to find those layers."
I'm looking forward an objective algorithm instead of a graphical method and mainly interested in near surface stability classification.
Apart from all of these, I compared correlation between PM10 concentration and potential temperature differences between different levels. PT difference between -1mb and -15mb above the surface gives me the best correlation (41%) with PM10 and let me emphasize that this is a significant peak. I know that PBLH or stability near surface is not only the parameter effects the dispersion of pollutants but the 8 years data might show this connection. Let's assume that you are reviewing a paper and authors of the paper selected -1 and -15mb above the surface to determine the stability based on 41% correlation. what would be your comment on this? Do you think that this is a reasonable approach?
At the end, I can calculate the PBLH in one or another way but I want to know what I did even if I make small mistake. I can use the PTG thresholds mentioned in [1] without questioning, but this makes me feel uncomfortable in the deep.
1- Dai, C., Gao, Z., Wang, Q., & Cheng, G. (2011). Analysis of atmospheric boundary layer height character-istics over the Arctic Ocean using the aircraft and GPS soundings. Atmos. Oceanic Sci. Lett, 4(2), 124–130. http://doi.org/10.1080/16742834.2011.11446916
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for atmosphere profiling
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thank you so much
but this site wants user name and password that I don't have any.is there any other way to access?
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Simply, I’m looking for papers that gives me knowledge about any models or assumption concerning the thickness of troposphere of Early Atmosphere, e.i. during the Neo-, Meso- and PaleoProterozoic?
Thanks in advance, Zbyszek
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This is an interesting question, one suggestion I have relates to a method for deriving air density based on the terminal impact velocity of raindrops (density 1), although several process-related assumptions are necessary.  I learned of this method from Dave Pyle (Oxford) in discussion for use with soft pyroclastic ash and possibly impact ejecta, and there are now a few papers applied to the Archaean, see Som et al (Nature 484, 359-362) Air density 2.7 billion years ago limited to less than twice modern levels by fossil raindrop imprints. If splash textures related to terminal velocities of fall-back impact spherules could also be established, it might then be possible to extract more precise estimates based on heavier particles (density >>1), but I am not sure such rock surfaces exist for the Precambrian.  In the ~end Cretaceous Chicxulub global ejecta, potential atmospheric interactions are complex, but may hint at a separate method for future extraction of chemical evidence for oxygen in Precambrian impact ejecta/spherule beds. An on line PhD thesis by Tamara Goldin (university of Arizona, 2008) sets the scene for atmospheric interactions from Chicxulub ejecta, and Precambrian impact spherule beds have been reviewed by Johnson and Melosh (2012, Nature 485, 75-77) and Glass and Simonson (2013) Distal impact ejecta layers (Springer). 
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Hi, does anyone know a good source for vertical atmospheric profiles of the main species for Venus (molar fractions of CO2, N2, SO2 vs height), from 0 to 100 km? It can be both measurements and model results.
Thanks a lot in advance! -Andi
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Thanks, Artem! I've glanced over the paper quickly and it is impressive - I think I'll get all my answers from it.
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At low obliquity Martian CO2 atmosphere becomes very thin (most of it is trapped at the poles). Trace gases remaining in this thin atmosphere are more strongly affected by energetic solar events and their rate of escape from the atmosphere increases.
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Nitrogen and argon isotopic data from martian meteorites- ALH84001 (~4G yr) and the shergottites (~180 Myr) show a temporal loss of nitrogen preferentially. This appears to have been triggered by the solar UV that ionises the N2 molecule. It splits the 2 atoms of N2 the lighter one with mass 14 escapes from the atmosphere while the heavier atom- mass 15 stays behind. Thus the N15/N14 ratio in Mars atm is ~65% higher than that in Earth's atmosphere.
Article: Nitrogen and heavy noble gases in ALH 84001: Signatures of ancient Martian atmosphere
S.V.S. Murty, R.K. Mohapatra
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Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta. 12/1997;
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None of the planets in the solar system have an atmosphere similar to the Earth’s. Of course, all planets are orbiting at different distances from the Sun, and, therefore, the atmospheres of different planets formed at different temperatures. Apparently, just this factor was of principal importance for the Earth’s atmosphere composition. The essence of the question seeks to reveal the mechanisms that influenced and led to the manifestation and composition of Earth’s contemporary atmosphere.
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The atmosphere of a planet comes up from inside the planet.
I suspect that all planets produce an atmosphere. The question is,
can the planet keep the atmosphere with the solar wind effectively stripping the atmosphere away.
The Earth has developed an atmosphere, and has developed a means of keeping
its atmosphere by developing a protective magnetic shield.
The process is one of " Fractional Distillation " where lighter materials migrates
upward in the planet, and denser materials, like iron, migrate
downward, and concentrate in layers of similar density.
The concentration of iron is beneficial in that the size of the planet,
the amount of iron, the confining pressure at depth, and the applied torque of the
Sun's magnetic field all work together to apply torque of the Earth's accumulating,
and growing magnetic iron core, which creates internal fluid motions
that generate the protective magnetic field.
This has created two + questions in my mind. Why did it take nearly 4,000
million years for life to evolve to larger life forms on this planet ? AND
Why has life managed to stay large and prosper for roughly 630 million years, and
why has Earth's life sustaining processes managed to continue
within a fairly narrow atmospheric temperature and pressure range for
630 million years ?
It does not seem probable that the Earth could manage to stay in such
a narrow , improbably life sustaining " Goldilocks " zone for such a
totally improbably long period of time.
The only possible mechanism that I can envision is one that is cyclical,
or semi cyclical and allows the atmosphere to vary in depth, density. and surface
pressure and temperature in a way that allows it to vary on average
between a low of 6 C and a high of 26 C, with a long term dominate
temperature average of 22 C.
Small pulsed growths and expansions of the Earth would accomplish this
including a glacial period following a pulsed expansion, that gradually returns to
normal over several thousand years, as continents sink, and sea floors rise.
and the atmosphere is replenished from inside the planet and as it becomes thicker
and gradually rises along. with rising sea levels and sinking continents.
It would be a dynamic form of isostacy in concert with a dynamic form of
atmospheric equilibrium replenishment from inside the planet, which
also is working in concert with a growing and expanding planet.
Perhaps a gas giant stage occurs when the planet reaches a point where it can no longer grow and expand, so it the heats up too much internally, and releases
gas at too fast a rate, and the atmosphere grows essentially without bounds.
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I'm looking to accurately predict the amount of solar radiation available at a given point on the earth. I've already implemented NREL's SPA algorithm, which gives me a fantastically accurate incidence angle for any panel I should choose to model. The problem however, is that the angular attenuation of solar radiation is of almost no importance to me.
Assuming that the panel is on an active frame, it will always be more or less perpendicular to the incoming solar radiation. The intensity clearly attenuates as the rays go through more atmosphere, but I can't find a good way to approximate this without going down to the level of Beer's law and modelling the earth's atmosphere.
I assume this is a pretty common problem. Could anyone point me towards a paper that includes such a calculation, or a decently accurate rule of thumb?
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Slater, what you are apparently trying to obtain is what we refer to in the solar business as GNI (global normal irradiance, for flat-plate collectors on 2-axis trackers) or DNI (direct normal irradiance, for focusing/concentrating collectors).
I have extensively published on this topic.
Two models you can use and that I developed are SMARTS (for spectral irradiance) and REST2 (for broadband irradiance). See my website for details and references:
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The PDS (planetary data system) node repository provides the informations collected by the different space missions on the planets time to time.
I want to use some of the data from their site. The data is in the format of .dat file and its label is contained in .lbl file. The label file probably contains the informations about how to write a programme for decoding the file to read the data contained in the same.
Also please suggest me the best suitable tools to use the data.
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I just open it with FORTRAN. This file provides multidimensional data, that's why you can not read it. You need a specialized program or a code to run in Matlab, Fortran, R in order to extract the data.