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Metabolomics are the systematic identification and quantitation of all the metabolic products of a cell, tissue, organ, or organism under varying conditions. The METABOLOME of a cell or organism is a dynamic collection of metabolites which represent its net response to current conditions.
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Metabolomics has emerged as an invaluable tool for prognostic and diagnostic purposes, last in the cascade of others OMICS -genomics, transcriptomics, and proteomics. Omics training usually covers experiment design, data generation, and collection, data preparation, data analysis, and the last but not the least - data interpretation.
At the end of this meticulous energy, time, and financial-consuming path, it might be totally none sense to fail to put your results into the broader biological context.
For those like me that have never been trained to interpret metabolomics data, how can we make sure to not miss important points? Is Basic knowledge in Biochemistry, Physiology, or physiopathology of the disease of your interest, enough to harness the full potential of metabolomics technologies for biomarker screening u.a?
I would like to discuss with experts out there, the most important assets for a right and successful data interpretation of metabolomics data.
Thank you for sharing your experience in the Metabolomics journey as well.
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Only advice I can give is to have a background in chemistry so you can identify what chemical groups make sense and to be able to investigate related chemical families or to predict parent compounds. For example there may very little on a glycoside but if you look up the parent compound as an alcohol or methoxy ether you can often find a trove of relevant literature. Read all the papers you can about the annotation for the compound as there can often be non-enzymatic routes to the formation of compounds (especially when ROS is involved). Look up other synonyms for the compound as these are not standardized, especially in older literature. Use KEGG to help visualize the pathways where possible and always doubt the automatic annotations. I have seen nature papers where their "marker" for a cancer type is actually a tropical plant alkaloid only produced in one family of trees from southeast Asia (the patient samples from that study were not even from that region of the world). Also if you think the metabolite is important you must always do an alternative assay to verify that it is the correct annotation.
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as my question already indicates I would like to do some multivariate analysis of my proteomics data as I have multiple characteristics in my samples. I have successfully used MetaboAnalyst for multivariate analysis in metabolomics approaches. Do I have to expect some drawbacks by using MetaboAnalyst for proteomics data or is there an easy tool such metaboAnalyst for proteomics data?
Thank you for your help!
BR,
Timo
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Yes, that's correct! After preprocessing your proteomics data (e.g., normalization, missing value imputation, batch effect correction, etc.), you can use the peak intensities of the proteins as features for further multivariate statistical analysis (MVA) using MetaboAnalyst.
To use MetaboAnalyst for proteomics data analysis, you will need to convert your peak intensity data into a suitable format (e.g., comma-separated values (CSV) or tab-separated values (TSV)) and upload it to the platform. You can then choose from a range of statistical and machine learning methods to analyze your data and identify patterns and relationships between the proteins and experimental conditions.
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Heavy metals stress and their responses in plants through metabolomics approaches
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Faheem Akhter, your detailed answer to the question is highly appreciated. Thanks
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What are the widely used methods to study intracellular metabolomics of E coli ? Are there any softwares available to exclusively analyze E coli Metabolomics data?
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I would suggest the use of ECMDB (https://ecmdb.ca/). It is a database, specific for metabolomics on E. coli.
You can study the metabolomes of E. coli, with NMR and MS techniques. I would suggest the use of both since they are complementary.
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I'm looking to find molecular weights from mass spec experiments to identify compounds. Is there a database aside from Human Metabolome Database HMDB)? I am coming across molecular weights that don't appear in HMDB.
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Yes, there are several other metabolome databases available aside from the Human Metabolome Database (HMDB). Here are some examples:
Metlin: A metabolite database that includes both experimental and predicted mass spectrometry data for a wide range of metabolites, including those from human and other species.
KEGG: A comprehensive resource for understanding metabolic pathways in various organisms, including human. It contains information on biochemical pathways, enzymes, and metabolites.
LipidMaps: A database of lipids, including information on their structures, physical properties, and associated enzymes and pathways.
BioCyc: A collection of databases that includes information on metabolic pathways, enzymes, and metabolites for a range of organisms.
ECMDB: The E. coli Metabolome Database, which provides information on the metabolites and metabolic pathways of Escherichia coli.
MetaboLights: A database of metabolomics studies, containing information on experimental designs, protocols, and raw data, as well as curated metadata and metabolite annotations.
These are just a few examples of the many metabolome databases that are available. Each database has its own strengths and limitations, and the choice of database will depend on the specific research question or application.
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I used LCMS to detect metabolites and after a PCA plot was generated, I noticed that there were some sample outliers. What could be the cause of this?
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There are several causes for the presence of outlyers. Impurities, errors during the extraction, the needle that for some reason did not inject the same amount of sample, and samples that are naturally different from the other ones.
You can solve the problem using this checklist.
- check the look of the chromatograms and verify that all of them look more or less the same.
- check IS intensities and verify that their peak area is within an acceptable range for all the samples.
- normalize the data across samples.
- scale the data using UV scaling.
- evaluate the presence of outlyers using RobustPCA.
good luck
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Hello there,
I have some raw data in mzML form. Can someone please share with me a step-by-step guide on how I can use the MetaboAnalyst 5.0 platform to do my metabolomics analysis?
More so on how to run PCA analysis, PLS-DA, fold change comparisons, pathway analysis and comparisons etc
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The site offers a tutorial. In any case, they provide as well examples of the formats needed.
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Dear colleagues, I'm currently writing my thesis on metabolomic differences of root development using algae-based biostimulants and I just ran into something weird.
I've grown modified strains of Arabidopsis using YFP and GFP to be able to measure simultaneous differences of expression of two different genes.
Everything went smooth up to the point of measuring of fluorescence. GFP was measured just fine, but YFP showed very fast declining brightness as the photos were being taken. It took about a minute from the moment the light was turned on to the moment the first picture was taken, and maybe 10-20 seconds in between each photo. I see the light diminishing with each picture and my result are not (and obviously cannot, until I sort this thing up) conclusive.
I've searched everywhere for evidence of reduced half life of the protein but it actually should be performing better than GFP, according to evidence.
Is there something very obvious i'm missing? or could this be related to something very specific like small changes in structure?
Thank you very much for your help.
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It sounds like you may be experiencing a problem with photobleaching of your YFP protein. Photobleaching is a process in which the fluorescence intensity of a dye decreases over time due to exposure to light. It can occur as a result of various mechanisms, such as the conversion of the excited state of the dye to a non-fluorescent state, or the formation of a photoproduct that does not fluoresce.
There are several factors that can contribute to photobleaching, including the intensity and duration of the light source, the temperature of the sample, and the properties of the dye itself. In this case, it is possible that the YFP protein is more susceptible to photobleaching than the GFP protein, due to its unique spectral properties or structural differences.
One potential solution to this problem is to use a filter set that minimizes the exposure of your sample to the excitation light, or to use a lower intensity light source. Additionally, it is possible to use a fluorescence recovery after photobleaching (FRAP) method to measure the recovery of fluorescence of the YFP protein over time.
Another solution to this problem is to use alternative fluorescent proteins such as mCherry, mTurquoise, or mTagBFP, these are all alternatives that are less susceptible to photobleaching, and you can compare the results with YFP.
It's worth consulting with a bioinformatician or a researcher with expertise in this field for more specific suggestions as the cause may be related to some specific details of your experiment such as the buffer and the culture conditions.
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Hello there!
I have full access to several metabolomic (metabolite concentrations) and transcriptomic databases (FC and pvalues). I would like to integrate all these info in one to obtain not only DEGs and metabolite boxplots but pathways and tissue/cell type information. I'm stuck searching for free software or friendly R packages other than mixOmics. Any idea?
Thanks!
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I am not sure if could help, but have a look on https://www.omicsnet.ca/.
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Actually, I analyze my metabolomics data from LC-MS source (mzXML) and get a list of compounds with their mass, retention time, and polarity but no names or identifiers for many of them. Please, what tools can I use based on this information to find metabolites expressed here?
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Hello,
Normally you can check by mass in libraries like chemspider:
This one work pretty good and you can advance search for mass, and it will give you a lot of inputs of the potential candidates.
Regards,
Andreu
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Hi, I am wondering whether I should purchase the pure substance or the salt (sodium or chloride) as standard for my LC-MS analysis in metabolomics. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated!
Many Thanks!
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the salt (sodium or chloride) as standard for your LC-MS analysis in metabolomics.
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Hello everyone,
I just started to use GCMS (8890gc 5977b gcmsd). I want to study human serum metabolomics. But I couldn't get good peaks so far. I keep changing GC and MS parameters but can't get good peaks. Could somebody help me with the oven temperature? I don't know which temperatures I should use for my method.
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Dear Gizem,
you can read this paper about plasma metabolomics by GC-MS:
Molecules 2019, 24, 2367; doi:10.3390/molecules24132367.
If something is not clear, please ask me.
Regards
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I did a metabolomic study, where some of my compounds are novel and have high production in one of my mutants. I have its m/z ratio. Can I identify this compound solely based on this ratio? I understand the ratio could be the same for other similar compounds. How do I determine what this compound is? Any help or path would be greatly appreciated.
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Nominal mass m/z will give you very little to go on. Accurate Mass at around 1ppm mass accuracy may lead to a small number of possible molecular formulae but each of these could represent millions of different possible chemical structures. A molecular formula might help you search existing databases if you are sure that your metabolite is known. Otherwise, NMR would be my choice. The combination of NMR and accurate mass would be the most likely way to identify the material of interest.
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I run the samples same group in two batches with quality control samples so it is showing batch effect. How to correct the batch effect?
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This method developed by Sili Fan and col. is a great option for batch correction.
Systematic Error Removal Using Random Forest for Normalizing Large-Scale Untargeted Lipidomics Data
DOI: 10.1021/acs.analchem.8b05592
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How can you say leaves are fresh in terms of its moisture content? Is a 100% moisture content possible? Does it mean that plant leaves that were harvested and subjected right away to IR moisture balance will give us a result of somewhere near 100%?
On the other hand, does "dried leaves" have specific moisture content values to be regarded as "dried" e.g. moisture content should be below a certain percent (10%).
For reference, I am studying Cymbopogon citratus leaves.
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How determine the moisture content in fresh leaves?
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I am a graduate student at UC Davis trying to submit samples for complex lipidomics. Our metabolomics core facility does offer this but the turn-around time is 4-5 months, so I am looking for options with a shorter turn-around time. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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SGS.
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Hello,
in ordre to An Explorative Study of Vinegar Metabolomics Using GC-MS, I have not find the same column (Zebron ZB-1701 (Phenomenex, Torrance, CA, USA), 30 m ˆ 250 µm (internal diameter) ˆ 0.15 µm (film thickness), with a 5-m guard column),
but the supplier offered me other columns
their description is on the attachments to this message
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Thank you very much for your answer, I wish you much success,
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I want to use AMDIS, the software needs msp to operate, can someone help me?
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LIB2NIST can handle a certain amount of spectra to handle at a time. I don't remember the exact number. Please split the spectra something like 10k for each. And use LIB2NIST.
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Say you are measuring the concentration of metabolite of interest (MOI) using fluorescence detection. The MOI concentration the one and only sample is unknown, say, u mg/L.
By adding extra MOI at defined concentrations to the same sample, you have a series of fluorescence readings as follow:
Concentrations -- Fluorescence readings
n mg/L -- Reading 1
(n + 15) mg/L -- Reading 2
(n + 30) mg/L -- Reading 3
(n + 60) mg/L -- Reading 4
(n + 120) mg/L -- Reading 5
As MOI concentration increases, fluorescence increases.
What would you do to obtain the value of n?
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I am new to metabolomics and have never used GC-MS. I am analyzing the common compounds (nothing specific) present in the cell-free supernatant of Lactobacillus, and I do not know if I can submit my sample without further processing. Thank you for any help!
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Depends on a lot of factors and what exactly you are looking for. Any sample introduced into GCMS, needs to be thermally stable and also volatilized inorder to be separated on the GC column for efficient identification on the MS. If it is volatiles (VOCs) you are looking for, you may not need any further processing of the samples. If you are looking for lipids, fatty acids, esters and likewise compounds, some sort of pre-processing may be required, like derivitization techniques - acylation, alkylation, silylation, among others.
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Hi, am new to metabolomics, can i use GC-MS to characterize volatile of milk? or there is a better methodology.
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I have a very small knowledge in bioinformatics, and part of my research project is based on analysis of proteomics and metabolomics data. However, I am struggling to find some resources (webinars, courses, websites, ...) to help me get started with understanding and analyzing my data. I would appreciate it if anyone can give me some suggestions.
Thank you!
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Did you perform the experiment yourself? What kind of digestion? Do you have raw files? How versed are you with LC-MS/MS? Do you have access to any proprietary software e.g. Proteinscape or protein discoverer? Would you like to analyse the data yourself? For proteomics data MaxQuant is a wonderful and user friendly resource and a number of videos are available. Besides, the manual available on its website is quite self explanatory. For metabolomics data, MetaboloAnalyst is the analogous software. However, make yourself versed with the Jargon.
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Once the metabolite concentrations are known which program(s) may be useful to interpret data in terms of metabolic pathways?
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MetaboAnalyst is a comprehensive platform dedicated to metabolomics data analysis via a user-friendly, web-based interface.
The main aim is high-throughput analysis for both targeted and untargeted metabolomics, and to narrow the gap from raw data to biological insights.
heard its uses by one of the co-worker and it seemed to be user friendly
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We are currently conducting a research project that focuses on organ rejection. For this purpose, we have taken blood samples of various patients, who have received an organ transplant pre- and postOP, although here we only consider postOP. Some of these patients have received an organ biopsy to diagnose a suspected organ rejection reaction. Blood samples were also taken during these times.
We want to compare the non-rejection (samples taken postOP when no biopsy was taken or samples corresponding to a negative biopsy result) to the rejection samples (samples corresponding to a positive biopsy result).
The problem we now face is the following: Not all patients have received a biopsy.
This means that some but not all of the patients in the non-rejection group have dependent (paired) samples in the rejection group.
How do we statistically account for the fact that some of the samples are paired? Any help is greatly appreciated!
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You may start by trying at first to calculate correlation coefficients (R) for both cases you are interested in and then to calculate possible regressions of your data, in order to analyze them. Furthermore, you may try to continue with ANOVA. Please also consult the paper attached which you may find helpfull for your analysis purposes
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Hi everyone,
I am currently using UHPLC-Q-Exactive-MS system for metabolomics analysis. Initially, I have normalized the extracted data (processed by Compound Discoverer software) using the internal standards (ISs) peak area but the data was not satisfactory.
Therefore, I wanted to try other normalisation techniques to compare my data. In many articles, researchers are using total ion count and total spectral area appraches for normalising their metabolomics data. However, I don't know how to evalute the total ion count or the total spectral area. Therefore, I need your kind valuable suggestion and guidace to evaluate it. I would appreciate anykind of assistance. Thank you.
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You can try with other software like MS-DIAL
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I want to statistically analyse my metabolomics data (18 metabolites). I have two species and four levels of drought. I analysed each species individually by CRD and for mean comparison I used Fisher's LSD (0.05%) by adjusted P-value (FDR). Is this procedure correct or I must use another statistical method?
Thank you all.
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I think that the LSD mean comparison test is appropriate, but it is point that which test plan did you use for the four levels of drought? Are you considering the factorial experiments? However, it could be considered as an alternative test.
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Looking for a high-reliability lab that can run plant samples for metabolomic analysis using untargeted approaches byeither NMR or LC-MS with follow up with data analysis (PCA/PLSDA).
If possible ideally also annotate discriminatory compounds
any suggestions?
Already came across a few amongst which creative-proteomics/metabolomics in USA although many focus more on biomedical sciences (BioAnalytix Inc, Charles River Laboratories, or KBI Biopharma).
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The Metabolomics Innovation Centre (Canada) - www.metabolomicscentre.ca
Over 50 targeted assays (with absolute quantitation) and 6 global/ untargeted assays. Both NMR and MS based services are available, including assays specifically for plants studies. All prices/ assays are available online. Fell free to contact me directly.
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Is it possible to eliminate only the bulky fructose and glucose (F/G) content from the matrix of interest simultaneously and selectively?
I should get rid of the F/G composition but not the other various mono and oligosaccharides along with similar structure polar metabolites. To find out a convenient polar marker at HILIC condition, removal of F/G is crucial since bulk concentration is suppressing ionization at mass spec. and contaminating the ionization chamber/sampling capillary. Totally, this issue is hampering the marker determination capability of the metabolomic approach.
I look for any advice other than molecularly imprinted polymer (MIP) usage and immunoaffinity-capturing methodology. I have tested lectin affinity resin which unfortunately not selective fructose and MIP showed non-specific binding causing the loss of information.
Any suggestion will be appreciated, thanks in advance...
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I will perform multiple omic analyses in a sample, but for redox proteomics an akylating agent needs to added in the lysis solution (iodoacetamide or NEM). The problem is that the sample will be splitted in two parts, half for redox proteomics, and half for metabolomics and lipidomics.
The aqueous phase of half of the sample will be used used for metabolomics (and it will be contaminated with iodoacetamide). So I have to remove it befor metabolomics, and the workflow includes HILIC separation. So, I would like to know if by using the HILIC column it will be enough to remove iodoacetamide, or if iodoacetamide will interact with the column and disturb the analisys.
Or still, if anyone can think in another way to remove this iodoacetamide from the aqueous phase that will be used for metabolomics. Remembering that for metabolomics small MW molecules are analyzed.
I need to use the same sample for all analyses, because this is the type of approach that we intend with this project.
Thank you all in advances!
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Perhaps you could add scavenging beads with a thiol surface, and then spin the beads out?
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I am trying to assess the activity of PFK enzyme in mESC lines. Recently in the metabolomics analysis, I discovered that although the cells show an increased uptake of glucose 6-P and fructose 6-P, there is a major drop in the levels of downstream metabolites starting from fructose-1,6-bisP all the way up to pyruvate. (except glyceraldehyde-3-P, 1,3-bisPglycerate and 2-phosphoglycerate)
There is also an increase in the levels of glucosamine-6-P, mannose, mannose-6-P and of 6-P gluconate and ribose 5-P. These levels could be increased as G 6-P and F 6-P could be shunted into the pentoseP pathways.
Therefore, I am planning to check if there is a blockage between the F 6-P and fructose 1,6-P by detecting the activity of the PFKinase enzyme.
So far the kits I've found to do this, are based on the calorimetric assay where PFK activity is determined by a coupled enzyme assay, in which fructose-6-phosphate and ATP is converted to fructose1,6-diphosphate and ADP by PFK. The ADP is converted by the enzyme mix to AMP and NADH. The resulting NADH reduces a colorless probe resulting in a colorimetric (450 nm) product proportional to the PFK activity present. One unit of PFK is the amount of enzyme that will generate 1.0 mmole of NADH per minute at pH 7.4 at 37 °C.
I was wondering if there is an in cell method, more precise for cell extracts.. I am not sure how sensitive or specific this calorimetric assay would be.. Any comments/ suggestions would be much appreciated.
Many thanks.
Best,
Pooja.
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As I'm a newcomer to metabolomic data processing from the very raw data, I was wondering how to combine pos and neg mode data together, especially in the condition of acquiring from separate two-year samples.
I have two separate data acquired from two years in the same untargeted LC/MS method but different samples involved, and I want to combine them. Things turned difficult for me when I found there are some metabolites detected in different mode between the two years and not consistent in the two modes. For example, compound A was detected in year 1's pos mode but in year 2's neg mode , not in pos mode.
I'm not sure whether I can combine such compounds directly into one column and then normalize.
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Our metabolomics data showed accumulation of UDP in mutants strains of Staphylococcus aureus when compared to the wild type
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You used metabolomics (LC-MS, I assume) to detect the presence of UDP in your samples, presumably. The same method can be used to quantify the amount of UDP, but you need a standard to correlate the peak size with the analyte concentration. The standard would consist of purchased UDP, prepared in the same matrix as the metabolomics samples at various concentrations to generate a standard curve.
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Hi everybody. I have been in metabolomics 10 years and proteomics 20 years. However I feel confuse today that I am not going anywhere. It is endless questions and endless work to do? Is it good or bad for my future? Have I going wrong direction on the beginning? Today, every manuscript you read it has something to do with programming. Is it future? Should change my career as soon as possible?
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Having done proteomics and metabolomics research for 25 of the last 35 years, I feel your pain. I can only leave you with the following paragraph from Chapter 1 of my biological engineering textbook (hopefully to be published this year).
"For the last three decades, biological science has been dominated by those espousing: 'In ten years time, those with a hypothesis-based approach to science will be equivalent to those who believe in the Flat Earth theory.'[1] To whom I counter with Huxley’s argument that won the Great Evolution Debate, “Six monkeys with typewriters … and an infinite amount of time will collectively produce all the great works of man” (June 30, 1860). Infinite time and resources do not exist in the real world."
[1] Gannon, F. (2000) “Back to Darwin?”, EMBO Rep., 1:373.
To the best of my knowledge, there has been 1 new commercially-validated biomarker used for clincial diagnostic purposes discovered with all the effort in genomics, proteomics, and metabolomics combined, since 1990. Yet, there has been an untold amount of white noise generated in the scientific literature. The conclusion of every paper that I've ever read has been "more study is needed". For every new biomarker one paper 'discovers', I can find another that shows it wasn't significant. Great for government funding agencies. Great for Universities, Great for tenure committees. Great for scientific publishers. But, did all that money and effort really serve society? Steve Naylor (former CSO of Beyond Genomics) once told me, that they spent $22M studying 300,000 functional genomic, proteomic and metabolic features in 40 mice to prove their platform worked. When they went to sell the pharmaceutical companies on their biomarker discovery platform, the consensus was "$22M are you F___ing nuts".
Don't get caught in what economists call "the sunk-cost fallacy". Find something that is causing others real pain in their lives for which you have a better mouse trap and can support yourself doing that. Always remember that government is the funder of last-resort. If what you do was really providing a net benefit people, they would be paying you for it directly. You wouldn't need government to take the money to pay you for it from others by force. I'm retired now, with enough in the bank to live out my life comfortably. I've already been 'cancelled', hence the forced retirement, so I can afford to say it they way I see it. Your decision, however, is yours. Either way, expect that decision is going to get you 'cancelled' by someone. The opinions of others are like arses. Everyone has one and they all stink. You have to do what you can live with.
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To understand how glucose is being metabolized in our cell conditions, 13C Glucose was used as a tracer. To determine the carbon contribution from tracer glucose in each metabolite, the MPE was calculated. However, some MPEs came out as negative. I am relatively new to metabolomics so I am hoping someone can help explain what a negative MPE means in terms of glucose carbon contribution to these metabolites. Or if you can point me to literature that provide an explanation and examples, if will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
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Isotopic ratio work can be a bit tricky. It is better to use the isotopic vector than just the isotopic ratio of the two isotopic peaks. The math is a bit more complex, but still can be done in a spreadsheet. You get much more reliable results. See link below:
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Dear folks,
I am going to work on untargeted metabolomics with Agilent QToF. Please suggest to me the best software for untargeted metabolomics.
Thank you!!!!
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These softwares may actually help you (MetFrag and XCMS).
Here's their respective links:
Best wishes,
Sabri
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I need to know what types of metabolites are present in the FCS.
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not exactly, but maybe helpful:
MSCs Conditioned Media and Umbilical Cord Blood Plasma Metabolomics and Composition
Proteomic Analysis for the Assessment of Different Lots of Fetal Bovine Serum as a Raw Material for Cell Culture. Part IV. Application of Proteomics to the Manufacture of Biological Drugs
Characterization of Mammalian Cell Culture Raw Materials by Combining Spectroscopy and Chemometrics
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I have raw data for global/untargeted mass spectrometry metabolomic data. I have processed that data and now have with me the peak intensities of all the m/z values. I had also spiked the samples with an internal standard. Can anyone tell me how can I normalize my data using the internal standard?
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I need to know the optimum temperature and duration for the storage of stool samples if I want to perform untargeted metabolomics. Specifically, some evidence or references where metabolomics has been done on stool samples stored in -20 instead of -80.
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This paper describes exactly what you are looking for. For related papers, my search was
"effect of storage temperature on feces metabolome"
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We do not have GC/MS available in our Lab, therefore I need to send Tissue samples to the company for metabolomic analysis. The out source Lab has to perform derivatization and extraction and analysis itself. But I am looking for sample storage method, because I want to store tissue samples up to one month and later I would like to transport all sample together. For this reason, I am afraid If long storage might impact samples.
Can you Please Suggest me any better method for tissue sample storage or suggest me any related articles or source I should apply to manage sample storage properly..?
Thanks in advance :)
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Thaís Pedrete Yeah, I will take all necessary precautions while transporting samples... Thank you so much for assistance. :)
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I plan to conduct a non-targeted metabolomic study. I wonder which solvent gives the best extraction for a wide range of metabolites.
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70% Methanol
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It says in the manual that for metabolomic analyses, we should use biological replicates instead of the regular replicates. I am just concerned if even though i already have 3 biological replicates, do I still need test or analyze each biological replicate in certain number of replicates too? For example I have 3 biological replicates, if I test each biological replicates in triplicates again, I have a total of 9 replications ?
Or are those biological replicates good to go and I can just get the mean as is?
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If you are an expert in GC-MS metabolomics I need some help here!
I am doing a metabolomic analysis of a pure bacterial culture using derivatization with MTSFA using Fiehn´s protocol.
I am not very clear about how to prepare the cells for extraction and derivatization. I have a nutritive broth with a high cell count, then I have to somehow "clean it" so I can make the metabolite chemical extraction? or how do you account for the contents of the media on the sample?
In the protocol, it says I need to have a blank with only the media both treated as the samples. But is it not better to clean the sample first somehow?. I am confused.
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Cleaning the cells means centrifuging the cells and washing them with a simple buffer system (e.g., phosphate-buffered saline). The less components in the wash buffer the better. The problem with this, however, is that the metabolic composition of the cell changes pretty quickly and you are effectively stressing the cells by doing this. You also want to avoid heat or cold shocks so the buffer should be at the same temp as the growth media. Snap freezing the pellet in liquid N2 or dry ice after the wash helps preserve the metabolites.
The issue with the derivatization will be what in the buffer system also gets derivatized. Simplifying the wash buffer helps with this, but you should be aware if there is any carryover derivatives in the wash buffer. The concept of a control is more related to comparing the metabolome between growth conditions. LC/MS is not quantitative because of ionization differences between individual molecules. Therefore, when you are comparing LC/MS results between two culture conditions, all you get is a ratiometric measurement of what went up and what went down. You don't get an absolute concentration. You can only get to an absolute concentration by spiking samples, preferably with stable isotope versions of the metabolites that you want to track. see:
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Using non-targeted Liquid-Chromatography Mass Spectrometry I found highly-correlated compounds (r>0.95) with a difference in m/z ~1 (ex: 451.3069 and 452.3102) and very close retention time (<0.01 min). Would this difference be due to the presence of one C13? How to deal with them? Remove? Average? Sum?
Also, when the m/z is very similar (ex: 451.3069 and 451.3078) and highly correlated, but retention time is not so close (ex: 3.70 and 3.88), can they be considered the same compound? How to deal with them?
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question 1: very likely isotopes. But as pointed out by Noel, there might be other atoms that influence the mass difference between the two ones. if it was just a C13, it would have been +1.00335 (while yours is + 0.9991). Without the original spectrum, it is difficult to say what it could be, many are possible. how to deal with that: check the spectrum, look for other isotopes, the ratio between the isotopes and their mass distance.
question 2 - 3 options:
1) double peak of the same compound (the compound gets different forms in specific gredients and so it splits during the chromatographic run, giving two close but distinct peaks)
2) isomer of your compound of interest. same formula, and very similar structure except for the position of one atom.
3) unrelated compound (unlikely but still possible). btw if it is an unrelated compound, the isotopic pattern or the fragmentation pattern should be different from your compound of interest.
hope this helps.
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Hello,
I am using metaboanalyst for pathway analysis and such.
The y-axis is of course the p value, but the x-axis are the actual pathway impact values ranging from 0-0.5
How do we comment on which pathways are actually significant features?
For example, some pathways are significant (p value, y axis) but are less than 0.2 on the impact analysis (x-axis)
I've read around and most people say "significant features are on the top right" which makes sense, but where exactly is the cut off for the x-axis.
Hope this makes sense
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Dear Derek
In this case Impact reflects a centrality of the compounds (you have uploaded) in the metabolic pathways they belong to. You can note that when you upload your data, MetaboAnalyst asks you to select several parameters including Topolgy. By default it is relative-betweenness centrality which is a graph-theory concept.
In respect to cut-off, I would say Impact parameter is less important in many cases. So any impact in a "significant" pathway can be accepted. However sometimes, specifically for large data, this parameter can be very useful and interesting to interpret.
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The VIP is usually used in screening biomarkers in metabolomics. I have calculated the VIP from the principle components. But which of them should be used, the most representative component or average of VIP from every components?
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VIP represent variables of greatest importance for the model. Generally a threshold of VIP scores greater than 1.0 is used for finding discriminatory variables. We use the average of VIP for every components to rank the variables.
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I am comparing Mass Spec data from 4 sample groups using MetaboAnalyst. I performed PCA and PLSDA analysis and the 2D scores plots are the exact same.
Does this mean PCA had the best possible separation already? Permutation analysis and cross validation showed that the PLSDA results were valid.
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Generally, PLS-DA is carried out when discrimination was not apparent neither by using visual inspection nor principal component analysis (PCA). Although as you are saying PCA provides a good separation among different samples, they are not the most appropriate tool for developing models that allow previous designations of specific sets of samples and determine precise thresholds for classification. For this aim, supervised classification multivariate methods are required, such as PLS-DA. PLS-DA provides high rates of sensitivity and specificity. A PLS-DA model can also substantially reduce the number of discriminatory variables by creating significant VIP (variable importance in projection) scores.
So I would suggest incorporating both PCA and PLS-DA.
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Any certificate course or institution where I can learn the basics and advanced level of metabolomics and metagenomics data analysis?
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I have worked on metabolomics data and I am not sure the principle of analysis. First is to conduct a PCA. Literature review says it is to test the overall stability of the system. I do not understand it. Then PLS-DA could select some metabolites. Permutation for cross-validation is to check if over-fitting exists or not. I really do not understand the last bit. Why R2 less than 0 means no over-fitting? What if R2 is over 0 on the figure after permutation? I also do not understand how this permutation is done to cross-validate. Could anyone explain it to me? Many thanks.
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Hi Cheng, in the metabolomics data you will get many variables and several samples that come from different classes. Sometimes the number of variables >> samples. And from this data, you want to find some important variables so that your research can be conclusive.
PCA help you to understand the natural separation of the sample class. You can say that PCA is a blind classification, but somehow you can put the class legend in it, to distinguish which point belongs to what class. Basically, PCA reduces your variable dimension by creating PCs. PCs are your "new variables." Usually, using PCA your metabolomics data can be interpreted in a very shallow conclusion. Therefore, you can use PLS-DA to do a more robust classification, because PLS-DA is not a blind algorithm. PLS-DA algorithm is a supervised analysis, it already understands your sample class. Sometimes, you'll get a nice separation by using this model compared to PCA.
Also, one of the advantages of PLS-DA is that you can find Variable Important in Projection (VIP). They are the most influencing variables from your metabolomics data. From the VIP you can get a deeper conclusion about your data.
I suggest this R package for more information http://mixomics.org/
Good luck
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Hello all,
I wanted to carry out some metabolomic experiments using E.coli grown on galactose as the sole carbon source as a control. However, the typical expression strains such as BL21 are engineered to be deficient in galactose metabolising genes. I need a strain of E.coli that is capable of protein expression but that grow on galactose. Short of reintroducing the genes (I haven't got much time left in my PhD) is there a strain capable of this?
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Dear Edward,
Escherichia coli strains MG1655 and HMS174 should grow on Galactose.
Best
Michael
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In the field of Lipidomics or Metabolomics, how is the accurate method to achieve the comprehensive metabolite of a sample using LC-MS/MS?
MRM method might be sensitive enough to achieve the goal, however, in the MRM method, we decide the Q1 and Q3 intentionally based on the available database.
If we use pre-cursor ion scan or natural loss mode, we may lose several metabolites which shows low peak intensity.
For your information, in this case, a Triple Quadrupole with maximum 2 m/z decimal place (ex: 365.45) is used.
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Hi everyone!
I analyzed 20 tissue samples of oral leukoplakia (OL - an oral potentially malignant disease) through untargeted metabolomics to compare the metabolic profile of those OL who had malignant transformation (5) and those who did not (15). I know that the small sample size is one important limitation of the study, but OL is a rare disease and I have to deal with it.
Well, when I use my complete dataset (around 4k compounds) to perform multivariate analysis such as PLS-DA, my model is overfitted, exhibiting a negative q2. However, when I use the 72 compounds considered statistically significant by the univariate methods (hypothesis tests) as the input data, my q2 rises to 0.6. The improvement also occurs when I use this small dataset to build the heatmap that clearly distinguishes the malignant transformed from the non-transformed OL. Interestingly most of the compounds classified on the PLS-DA VIP list are the same, both using my whole data and using the 72 discriminant features as the input.
I recently presented my thesis to a metabolomics specialist and she told me that my analysis is curious and that she cannot tell me whether it is right or wrong.
Would anyone here help me with this question?
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HI, you are actually asking two different questions here, as PCA is only a data reduction method while PLS and clusterization aim to interpret the data.
You have 2 groups and only 20 samples all in all, so of course way too many compounds and potential confusions. And I would not rely exclusively on "significantly different" between the 2 groups to select data as, with 4k variables, it is more likely than not that you may have false positive (depending on how stringent you ran the statistical test).
My approach would be to do the PCA and look, is there some spontaneous separation of the 2 groups on one of the early principal compoments? Do your data "cluster" i.e. do you have groups of very correlated data? In which case you can probably simplify these groups to a single variable.
You have only 20 samples so when there are significant differences (72 variables) it might be worthwhile to actually plot and look, is the difference pulled by a few samples or is nicely repeatable in one group.
Anyway you look at it, you are in trouble... too many variables for few samples, this is going to require a lot of brain exercise. This is where statistical tools, however good they are, must leave way to knowledge and human intelligence. Do you have hypotheses as to the related biological mechanisms to help you sift through the data , and the predictive value, as said by Guillermo Quintas, will stay poor. Tentative I'd say, it might be a tool to help the practician but not totally relaible as a diagnostic.
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Hi, guys, I plan to do an untargeted metabolomics assay in Germany.
My lab is in Bonn, Germany.
My sample is in vitro cultured/stimulated cells.
However, our core facility just offers proteomic service these days. Also, core facilities in Koln and Max Planck Institute are fully booked.
Could anyone can recommend metabolomics core facility that would like to cooperate with or service provider (company) in Germany? My professor would like to pay for good service and accurate analysis. Also, it can be a cooperation that we share authorships.
Thank you.
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Dear Zhang,
I would recommend metabolon
Metabolon GmbH
Zeppelinstraße 3 85399 Hallbergmoos Germany
+49 89 99017752
all the best,
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I am currently studying a proteolytically stable peptide that transiently increases blood brain barrier permeability. While the results suggest that it could facilitate drug delivery to the brain, we are interested in assessing the potential downside of such a strategy.
Primarily, we are worried about neuroinflammation. My lab does not have the facilities to properly detect neuroinflammation. Does anyone know of any lab, core facility, or private company that offers services that can determine whether or not the peptide we are testing can lead to neuroinflammation?
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Interesting detail, Gert Fricker - but how to recognize these biomarkers' pathogenic/clinical relevance?
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I am working with metabolite data from an experiment that looked at the exometabolome in filtrate of bacteria grown in a medium made with natural seawater. Because natural seawater is a complex mixture, the data also includes analysis of a sample of the medium as a "blank". I was planning on subtracting the value from this medium blank for each metabolite identified in the filtrate to correct for background presence of that metabolite in the medium, but many of the values for metabolites in the medium are below the specified limit of detection. Should I subtract the blank anyway even if its value is below the LOD?
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I am fully agree with the opinion provided by Roberto Molteni.
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How to analysis LC-MS data without any internal or external standards in metabolomics study?
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I think, it is possible using the built in library through screening method. However, for the quantitative method, it is necessary to use external or internal standards. The best option is to communicate with the suppliers of the respective instruments. They may help you better than us.
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How to analysis LC-MS data without any internal or external standards in metabolomics study?
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Mr. Riahi,
Please, consider my comment on a new discussion devoted to quantitative analysis of carbohydrates (below.) In particular, focus your attention on the attached figure, therein.
I hope, that, it is very illustrative, why the current concepts of the so-called 'metabolomics' or, in fact, ''quantitative analysis'' of metabolites, are very far from any quantitative criteria on the 'Analytical Chemistry' and on the Chemistry, in a general context.
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I am a layman in metabolomics or LC-MS. And I am confused that which is the suitable internal standards for metabolomics study, like in urine、fecies or plasma samples, if I don't use isotape label metabolites as internal standards. Or, how to do normalization of peak intensities without any standards. Sorry for the stupid questions. Thank you all!
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1) Internal standards (IS) are used to normalize the data for structurlly similar compounds in target or semi-targeted analysis... it is not a good idea to use them to normalize your data in metabolomics, as the structural variability is an important factor influecing the detection.
2) in metabolomics, normalization is performed on QC samples: every 5 samples you should inject a pooled sample (quality control sample = QC) and then you use the data from those injections to normalize your data, using normalization softwares (I suggest NOREVA --> http://idrblab.cn/noreva/)
3) by the way, I suggest to use also IS to check the quality of injection of each sample. If the IS signal is missing or is too intense from any sample, you should remove such sample before proceeding to normalization.
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Hello, colleagues!
I have one question about compatibility with pyridine as a solvent and GC Capillary Column (such, HP-5MS or RTx-5MS or similar). I am trying to use derivatization by the MeOX in pyridine for dry samples and then I'm going to use MSTFA (metabolomics plant profile) and then inject all.
However I hear, that pyridine can have a negative effect on the stationary phase of the column. The column might get older (bleeding) quickly than usual. So, I have a question: Do you evaporate pyridine before add MSTFA, or impact of the pyridine on the stationary phase not so scary? Might be to using pyridine in the mix with MSTFA not so dangerous too.
Please share with me your opinions and suggestions.
Thank you!
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There is no problems with pyridine injection to GC.
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Dear All,
I am thinking about a side experiment where I need to free mouse bone from flesh. Basically to have the skeleton in the end.
The best would be to have a solution which dissolves flesh but not bones. I want to observe bone structure and maybe analyze minerals in the bones.
If you have any solution or a better one than the one I am portraying it would be very nice to hear from you.
Best wishes
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Dear researchers,
Any recommendation on FREE online Webserver/ Software For metabolomic approaches and toxicity prediction for dermal ?
Is better if enclosed with guidance on how to interpret the results generated from the webserver.
This is because I would like to generate a report and have to do interpretation on it.
Thank you.
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ADMET toxicity tools in general.
A list of tools available on the following link:
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I want to check the metabolomic profile of my sample. The results seem like only the chemical structures. Is there any software or tools available to analyze the chemical structures to a compound? For example, I got the data as Benzamine, 2,4 dimethyl..... But I want to check the exact metabolites... like glucose, fructose....
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To analyze GC-MS data, first of all, you need to prepare the calibration curve using your desire compounds. After that, you have to inject the samples along with the calibration standard, then you need to process the data using the developed method/calibration curve. Then, you have to go to the report portion, to prepare the report.
I would suggest you to contact the supplier of your instrument, the application engineer may help you a lot. Thank you for your interest to work with GCMS.
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Hello everyone,
I want to extract metabolites from placental tissue for my study. We are using biphasic method and LC-MS platform. The tissue we have is stored in RNAlater. I was wondering if it can be used for the metabolomics or not!! Does RNAlater has any effect on the metabolites of the tissue??!!
Thanks a lot!
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Hi Arpita,
I back and concurr with Albert Batushansky 's wisdom here too!
Imagine if RNAlater enters the tissues, then the metabolites from fluids also come out of the tissue into RNAlater fluid. And not systematically, but very random process.
Plus, RNAlater processing needs a > Over night 4 C percolation of RNALater into the tissues and then frozen into -20C/-80C. Means, during the 4 C storage of tissues with RNAlater a lot of thawing of tissues/ activation of all sorts of enzymes will take place. Say, all glucose being used up, or proteins degraded into amino acids, dipeptides by proteases, and RNAases released a lot of nucleotides/ nucleosides/ riboses/ other sugars back into the tissue/ solution. Thus, all metabolite data will be painting a false picture.
I am also not very convinced of using paraffin dissected tissues or FPPE stored samples or formalin fixed bulk tissues, as there would be losses into formaldehyde/ such solutions/ matrices. But studies where the phenotype is very strong such as cancer vs non-cancer you may still see a discriminating set of metabollites, say BCAA or lactate, but others worth not reporting! : )
So highly suggest not to use it for metabolomics studies.
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Hello,
I am looking for unanalyzed and unpublished GC-MS datasets from diverse mass spectrometer vendors ? Such as ToFs, single/ triple Quads, Orbitraps etc. that have been acquired from human, plant, or microbial samples for "metabolomics" or "phytochemistry" ?
Happy to collaborate and explain further. Do message for further details.
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Biswa
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I m also having Single Quad GC MS data sets from Plant source. Let us work together.
My mail id is vellai1973@gmail.com
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For each tissue type, targeted LC-MS/MS and untargeted GC-TOF-MS data are available on the same control and experimental groups. Biological replicates per group: n≥18. Would prefer tools that allow the use of effect size values (Cohen’s D) rather than fold change.
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Dear Karin
There are multiple strategies to analyze biological networks, and they strongly depend on a nature of the network (what do vertices and edges represent). Since you mentioned you would like to use partial correlation, this directs us to correlation-based networks. In this case your vertices will be metabolites, and edges will be correlation coefficients (weighted or unweighted). Interpretation of the correlation-based network of metabolites itself is not a trivial task, so what is commonly used in this case - comparison between two or more networks (conditions). In your case these conditions are tissues. So, and please consider this only as suggestion, you can build 7 tissue-specific networks and perform your analysis by comparing them. However, if you decide to go this way, please keep in mind that it still can be difficult, as you likely have different amount of metabolites detected in each tissue, and perhaps different sample size too. In this case I recommend to unify the data-sets beforehand. Doing this you will lose some information, but will minimize artificial differences in the networks parameters. Another potential challenge - I suspect that you have many hundreds of metabolic features. To build a correlation matrix for these large data-sets you may need to use a high computational cluster, as I am not sure what is the size limit of MetaboAnalyst online tool, and you may need to use something local, like R or Python. This also can cause challenges if you have limited experience with them. If this is the case, I would recommend to consult a local bioinformatician or statistician.
My question is do you really need to go in this direction? If you can show qualitative (for example, Venn diagram of the detected metabolites) and quantitative (for example, heat-map) differences in so broad metabolic profiles between the tissues, and general (dis)similarity by PCA or PCoA, I think these will be already great results.
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I want to ask how to properly collect and store exosomes just after their isolation from conditioned culture media, for subsequent proteomic and/or metabolomic profiling ?? Should we make snap freezing in liquid nitrogen then store in -80 ??? or just store in -80 (without snap freezing)?? or are there any specific precautions that should be taken in consideration while sample collection and storage?? Many thanks in advance for sharing your experience.
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In my personal experience, is not a good idea to freeze them, just to avoid rupture. For the isolation, I recommend this manuscript and the corresponding isolation procedure:
PMID: 31434009, DOI: 10.1016/j.jprot.2019.103490
Good luck!
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I’m using saliva sample of cancer patients for the metabolomic profiling to biomarker discovery. In connection with that I have some doubt in storage of saliva sample.
1. I want to know that the how long I can store the whole saliva in -80oC for the untargeted metabolomic study using LC-MS method?
2. Is the saliva more stable as whole ?
3. After sample preparation for the metabolomic studies how long it can be store in -80oC?
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@Md Saifur Rahman Khan I'm having the same problem..
But instead of saliva, I have cancer tissue sample for gcms studies. I about to do this in a week.... The processing of whole tissue sample for gcms will probably take a day.. so, my problem is "gcms technician guy will not be available after 5pm of working day. So he asks me to do in the next day morning? So if freezing the sample for half night, will it affect my peak? Or suggest me any optional strategy for that..
Any comments, I hope to hear from you...
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Is the chromatographic peak a valid measure of a compounds` (relative) abundance in LC-MS data? We have recorded three MS/MS spectra; their retention time falls into a specific chromatographic peak (see attached document). Is this peak area an accurate measurement of abundance for the compound described by the three MS/MS spectra? If not, what would be a more accurate measure?
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No, we do not rely on MS signal alone for concentration. So called "abundance" is related to how well the various samples ionized under the specific HPLC method AND the MS parameters you selected (VERY SUBJECTIVE). Change the settings and you get different results. Some samples exist in high concentrations, but ionize poorly. Some in low concentration, but ionize strongly. Some compounds exist, are never seen. Hundreds of variation in signal detection lie between as this is a complex topic, esp for a web forum. 'Areas' or 'ion abundance' counts only have meaning when properly developed methods are used with formal standards. After that, complete calibration tables are created for quantitation (best done using a non-MS detector as MS is poor at quant). Isotopically labeled standards are best, but true "standards" in some form would be needed.
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Hi,
I'm working with NanoLC/MS for both Metabolomics and Proteomics.
We usually make our nano columns using emitters from NewObjective. Unfortunately New Objective, due to the pandemic, is now able to provide them anymore and it is not taking orders.
I've tried with many others company, but all of them are collaborating with NewObjective.
Do you know a different company which provides these products?
thanks
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Hi Laura,
we are currently facing the same problem in our lab. At the moment we are using steel needles (Nano-bore emitters from ThermoFisher Scientific). For standard proteomics analysis they work as good as the glas one's from new objectives. Unfortunately you cannot use them in combination with FAIMS or if you want to do Phospho Proteomics, but for a standard proteomics anaylsis they work perfectly fine. I have now expertise on using them for Metabolomics, though.
Best regards,
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I am currently analyzing lipidomic profiles in a cohort study. I have seen some papers adjusting for total HDL and LDL concentrations, but others do not. I am wondering if there are any particularly strong reasons to either adjust or not adjust for them?
When adjusting for it, does this mean you find the effect of unbound lipids or is it more similar to a clustering correction?
I am relatively new to this field, so I would appreciate to hear your opinion about this!
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Another point to consider is if the two groups are matched for HDL-C and LDL-C levels (these being significantly different or not). If they are matched, I would be much less worried about further normalisations. However, it also depends upon the question you are trying to address.
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I have metabolite concentrations from mammalian cells, and also total protein concentration in each replicate. I do not have an internal standard.
Please could someone describe or provide a literature reference/software method etc. of the best statistical method to normalize metabolite concentrations to total protein?
Many thanks
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hello,Bibek。 have you solved this problem? now I have IS and total protein. But I still confused how to normalize thie metabolomics data. should I use IS and protein both or other one of them, could you plesae help me? Thank you.
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Dear to whom it may concern,
I would like to ask you about the normalization methods used to remove non-biological variations from the metabolomics data.
Because there have been many normalization methods reported until now, I am so confused about based on what criteria to select the best normalization method for a particular metabolomics data? Also, what is the meaning of each normalization method?
I hope that you may spend your little time clearing my questions and if convenient for you, may you show me the documents or tips in this case, please?
Thank you so much,
Pham Quynh Khoa.
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Hi Pham Quynh Khoa,
I found the following article very useful.
Misra BB. Data normalization strategies in metabolomics: Current challenges, approaches, and tools. European Journal of Mass Spectrometry. 2020;26(3):165-174. doi:10.1177/1469066720918446
Do have a read.
Hope this helps.
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In metabolomic research, it's important to doing derivatization to your extract before GC-MS analysis to get sugar and amino acid peaks in the results.
Previously, i found on a publication related to metabolomic research that your samples must be immediately analyze with GC-MS equipment after derivatization process.
But, i didn't have any idea about how long we can keep our samples prior to GC-MS analysis.
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So, in low temp you can store them for sure for few days.
Longer time demands a stability check.
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Hello everyone,
I am using Orbitrap Q-Exactive plus for metabolomics analysis. I would like to ask about the differences between dd MS/dd-MS2 vs targeted SIM/dd-MS2 mode. When I ran the full MS/dd-MS2 (without a inclusion list) I can get the MS/MS fragmentation however, when I tried to run it with targeted SIM/dd-MS2 mode (with a list of 400 precursor ions), I couldn't get any peaks from the analysis.
So I wonder if the targeted SIM/dd-MS2 mode has a limitation in terms of number of compounds included in the inclusion list? Additionally, whether specifying the retention time for each compound will be a better idea in this case?
Beside, will full MS/dd-MS2 with inclusion list would be another option for targeted large number of compounds? If so, is there any limitation for the number of analytes inputted?
Thank you for your help!
Happy new year to everyone!
Best wishes.
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Agreed. RT is absolutely necessary information to set in the inclusion list in tSIM-ddMS2. tSIM-ddMS2 will normally give better sensitivity compared to FMS-ddMS2, but only if the compounds are not co-eluting. Thus, the compounds in the inclusion list for tSIM-ddMS2 should have different RT ranges. I usually only use tSIM-ddMS2 for a limited number of compounds, up to 10 compounds, depending on their separation. But as Luca says, the loop count number determines how many compounds it will perform MS2 scans of, in the same RT range.
In Full MS the entire mass range is measured and seen in the MS1 scan (e.g. m/z 100-1000), whereas in the tSIM scan, only the targeted compound mass +/- isolation window is measured. In the next tSIM scan it will measure the next mass, according to the inclusion list RT. Thus if two compounds are co-eluting - or in your case 400 compounds are "coleuting" (no RT set), it will switch between perfming MS1 scans of one compound and then the other compound, and also doing MS2 scans when the thresholds and triggers are met. With 400 compounds you will get only one MS1 scan of a few of the compounds and no MS1 scans of the others. And you need at least 10 scans of the compound in order to form a good peak.
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Any suggestions, any comments highly appreciated! We mostly use speedvac/lyophilizer system for our metabolomics samples however its not compatible with the organic solvents.
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vacuum concentrators are compatible with organic solvent evaporation in non-oxidative conditions and can be operated at higher temperatures which is beneficial for lipids. nitrogen positive pressure evap. would also be ok as a second approach in case of the absence of vac. concentrators.