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Mass Spectrometry is an analytical method used in determining the identity of a chemical based on its mass using mass analyzers/mass spectrometers.
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What internal standard do I need to use to find cellular tri glycerol metabolite by mass spectrometry?
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In my case, I guess I have used any one 5-carbon compound and 6-carbon compound. I guess you can switch among them based on your interest and instrument specifications.
Please go through the Internal Standards:
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I am looking for less cost igG extraction method from human serum for mass spectrometry applications. i used Melon Gel IgG Spin Purification Kit but it is very expensive. Please suggest me any alternative method.
Thanks!
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How about protein A or G resins...The melon gel works as flow-through mode of purification, protein A is bind & elute mode (orthogonal strategies). Without knowing about a cost comparison, this application works well and recovery would be satisfying. If you investigate the IgG CDR domains (fab) nsmol kit is ready to use and a promising tool as a front-end approach.
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I need to do Mass spectrometry of my bovine intestine sample for analyzing proteome of host and microbial specific proteins and peptides.
I m unable to figure out whether software like maxquant can arrange by raw MS data based on their origin species. For ex- If I have GABÀ, will i know if its produced by host or the bacteria.
Can we do this kind of differentiation or I have to run MS for microbiome and host separately.
Kindly comment if anyone have an idea or can recommend any software that can perform this operation after obtaining raw MS data
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Hi Himani,
If you know which organisms are included in your samples you can work with a joined database fused from downloaded fasta format databases (i.e. from Uniprot) of the respective organisms.
With Maxquant you can than look at the number of unique/razor peptides to check from which organisms the proteins are more likely.
Best,
Murat
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Hey everyone,
I’m relatively new to the field of mass spectrometry and proteomics and need some advice. I’m trying to run a recombinant protein on our mass spec. It should be a really straightforward protocol: aliquot out the protein and resuspend in buffer, reduce, alkylate, digest in solution, desalt, dry, resuspend in running solution, and run on the mass spec. But somehow, in the one step that I could possibly have loss - the desalting step - I get around 80% loss. The kit I use is made for the amount of protein I aliquot (20-50ug) so I have no idea why I’m losing so much.
If you guys have any advice for cleaning up recombinant protein digest specifically, I’d be very grateful. Thank you!
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Hi Dina,
What is the purpose of the analysis your performing? If you'd like to get an idea of the yield of a protein purification, I don't think you would need a protein digestion protocol; you could consider running LC-UV instead.
How did you determine the yield of the individual steps of your protocol?
And how are you desalting after digesting?
What is your 'running solution'?
Thanks in advance for providing some additional context and information!
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Dear all,
I'm working on the finer details of my experimental design, and have some questions regarding bridging channels for TMT based experiments.
I have two conditions to test, across nine biological replicates, in order to run as one 18-plex TMT-pro experiment.
I am aware of the use of one or more bridging channels being used with pooled samples to combine multiple TMT mixtures, however a colleague has mentioned that a bridging channel should also be considered for normalisation if only one set is used.
Does anyone have any experience using a bridging channel for normalisation in a single mixture? Is it worth sacrificing one or more biological replicates for?
I will be using MSstatsTMT for normalisation and summarisation.
Sam
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As an update to this discussion, I have decided to reduce my sample size and incorporate a pooled reference channel. Mostly to open up the possibility of integrating additional samples and conditions in the future.
Sam
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I am going to do mass spectrometry analysis of the different lipid classes. I have found lipidomics standard of Avanti polar lipids EQUISPLASH product. In the protocol in their product page, there is a step to add the standard in the extraction process. My question is, if i add the standard in my test sample, how would I get the quantitative data of my sample ?
I am attaching the protocol here.
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When performing mass spectrometry analysis of lipid classes using a lipidomics standard like the EQUISPLASH product from Avanti Polar Lipids, adding the standard to your test sample serves as an internal standard for quantification. This approach helps account for variations that can occur during sample preparation, extraction, and analysis. Here's how it works:
1. Internal Standard Principle:An internal standard is a compound that is added to both your standard samples and your test samples in a known amount. It's chemically similar to the analytes of interest but should be easily distinguishable in the mass spectrometry analysis. By adding a known amount of the internal standard, you can correct for variations that might occur during sample preparation and analysis.
2. Adding the Internal Standard:When you add the EQUISPLASH lipidomics standard to your test sample during the extraction process, it becomes a reference compound with a known concentration that you control. This internal standard will undergo the same extraction and analysis steps as your sample, which helps compensate for any losses, variations, or biases introduced during these steps.
3. Quantitative Data Analysis:To obtain quantitative data from your mass spectrometry analysis, you'll follow these steps:
  • Measure the peak areas (or peak heights) of both your analytes of interest and the internal standard in your mass spectrometry data.
  • Calculate the ratio of the peak area of your analytes to the peak area of the internal standard for each lipid class.
The rationale behind this is that the internal standard's known concentration serves as a reference point. If the extraction and analysis are consistent, the ratio of the analyte's peak area to the internal standard's peak area should be proportional to the ratio of their concentrations.
4. Calibration Curve:To convert the peak area ratio to quantitative concentration, you'll need to create a calibration curve. This involves analyzing a series of standard solutions with known concentrations of the lipid classes using the same extraction and analysis procedures. The calibration curve plots the concentration of the internal standard against the measured peak area ratio.
5. Quantification:Using the calibration curve, you can then determine the concentration of your lipid classes in your test samples based on the peak area ratio. The formula to calculate the concentration is derived from the linear relationship shown in the calibration curve.
By adding the internal standard and utilizing a calibration curve, you can obtain quantitative data for your lipid classes in your test samples, even considering any variations introduced during sample preparation and analysis. This internal standard approach enhances the accuracy and reliability of your quantitative results. Subhadip Kundu
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Currently, I am working on protein-protein interaction identification using co-precipitation approaches. I have these proteins tagged with a 6x-His tag, which can typically be eluted from the Ni-NTA resin using 250 mM imidazole buffers. However, the Professors in my lab have raised concerns about the possibility of this buffer interfering with the analysis or even damaging our LC-MS system.
How can I remove this buffer after eluting the bait-prey protein complexes? Additionally, what other buffers would be suitable with this experimental setup?
One possibility that has been discussed is running the eluates on SDS-PAGE, followed by band excision and digestion. However, given that my samples have extremely low concentrations, Coomassie Blue staining might not be efficient.
I have tried buffer exchange using ultra-centrifuge filters, but that hasn't been successful either.
Would using vacuum concentrators be a suitable method for this imidazole buffer removal process?
Thank you all!
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To get qualified and specific answers you need to provide a bit more information about your experimental approach. Ismail suggested many different options that may be suitable depending on what your overall experimental setup is. As i read your question you are capturing interactors on a Ni-NTA resin with the bait protein bound and then eluting them with imidazole.
There are a wealth of proteomics sample prep methods nowadays that would get you past the imidazole issues, such as protein aggregation capture (PAC) or SP3, which serve to precipitate your protein onto a bead matrix that can be washed thoroughly before trypsin digestion (if bottom-up proteomics is your method). Alternatively, you may be able to digest your protein directly on the Ni-NTA matrix. A C18 desalting step is usually standard procedure before LC-MS analysis and that should give you nice clean samples overall. Gel-band analysis is another approach that should also work fine (if a bit more laborious).
I would suggest your consult with a proteomics specialist at your institution to figure out the most viable approach for your experiment.
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Please suggest best way of intact light chain absolute quantification by using Mass spectrometry.
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The best way for this is to use the MALDI-TOF MS configuration. For ESI top-down or native-MS-like approach is needed for the analysis of either heavy or light chains. You may combine SEC and native analysis for ESI-LCMS or gas phase fragmentation of antibody light chain to select SRM-like produced peptide for quantification. ESI produces multiple charge states for large molecules therefore occurring charge envelopes reduce the precursor intensity if the top-down quantification is aimed. MALDI gives reduced charge states thus either the identification or quantification approach would be more easy/more practical if the sample is not a protein complex but a purified antibody.
Rather than the selection of MS or acquisition technique, it is more important to choose the sample prep strategy herein. Garbage in garbage out for any MS system. What is your consideration about the sample prep and what is your sample matrix? how would you purify/clean, reduce, and fractionate your sample? It is more critical to assess prior to MS detection. Otherwise many interfering compounds, and protein peptides make your quantification worse and that is why it is recommended to use MRM and signature proteolytic peptide identification is more appropriate to perform absolute quantification...
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I have trypsin-digested peptides from FACS-sorted samples, but they are contaminated with PEG.
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Alternatively go back over your sample preparation protocol and determine the source of the PEG contamination.
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Samples collected in EDTA tubes will result in low zinc level but our results are surprisingly increased. Please explain what could be the reason.
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If your laboratory results are showing increased zinc levels despite collecting samples in EDTA tubes, there could be several potential reasons for this discrepancy:
  1. Contamination: If there was any contamination during the collection, handling, or analysis of the samples, it could lead to erroneous results. Zinc can be present in various materials used in the collection and analysis process, and even trace amounts of contamination can affect the results.
  2. Analytical Methodology: The method used to measure zinc levels in the samples may not be suitable for samples collected in EDTA tubes. Different sample types may require different analytical methods, and using the wrong method can yield inaccurate results.
  3. Interference: EDTA, the anticoagulant used in the tubes, can sometimes interfere with certain laboratory tests, including those used to measure zinc levels. This interference may lead to falsely elevated results.
  4. Hemolysis: Hemolysis, the breakdown of red blood cells, can release intracellular components, including zinc, into the plasma or serum, leading to artificially increased zinc levels. Hemolysis can occur during sample collection or processing if the samples are mishandled.
  5. Sample Storage: Improper storage of samples, especially for an extended period, can alter the composition and stability of the analytes, potentially affecting the zinc levels measured.
  6. Specimen Collection Timing: The timing of sample collection in relation to zinc intake or metabolism can influence the results. For instance, recent zinc supplementation or dietary intake could impact the measured zinc levels.
  7. Individual Variability: Zinc levels in the body can vary among individuals due to various factors such as age, sex, dietary habits, and underlying health conditions.
To resolve the discrepancy and ensure accurate results, it is essential to review the entire testing process, including sample collection, handling, and analytical methodology. If there are concerns about the results, it is recommended to consult with the laboratory or a qualified healthcare professional for further investigation and appropriate interpretation of the findings.
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Please explain the difference between Thermo biopharma finder and Proteome discoverer software uses. Thanks!
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Thanks Murat
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We want to determine curcumin in mouse plasma after subcutaneous administration of some formulations. The idea was to perform the determination by HPLC-MS. However, we have been having a problem with the suppression of the response of the internal standard (deuterated curcumin; the standard is OK because other tissues have a good response). Plasma sample preparation was done with 50 µl volume and protein precipitation and extraction with three volumes of ethanol (centrifuging and rescuing the supernatant between each extraction). Afterward, SPE is performed on C18 cartridges to maximize cleanup. Other tissues, such as nodules or hind footpads, respond well to this extraction process, which we believe is the most optimized. What can we modify to reduce the ion suppression problem? We have modified the separation method without much success. Thank you.
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I suggest using phree-phenomenex (bimodal/phospholipids and protein removal) protein precipitation plates...This will remove the abundant large molecules of serum such as proteins (albumins, globulins...and phospholipid derivates)...with this, you may combine protein precipitation and spe clean-up into a single prep step...In addition, MS/MS fragmentation and using alternative ions for your SRM acquisition may improve specificity and give more non-interfered spectra...If sensitivity is low I also recommend nitrogen evoporation followed by buffer exchange and internal standard normalization approach for absolute quantification...for hydrophobic compounds such as curcumin I also use APCI instead of ESI to get a more intense signal if your configuration is applicable to implement...
Good luck
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I have relative abundance data from a label free mass spectrometry experiment of a simple mixture of proteins (for simplicity call them protein A and protein B). These two proteins are similar in size, and I know the amount of protein A that was spiked into the mixture. If the relative abundance of protein A is 25% and protein B is 75%, can I estimate the total mass of protein B by the equation Mass_B = (Mass_A / MolecularWt_A) * 3 (conversion factor from relative abundance data) * MolecularWt_B?
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No. You can never assume that different compounds will ionize in the same manner. MS analysis is not a "universal" detection technique.
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Dear all,
I'm building a shiny application for analysis of mass-spectrometry based proteomics data (for non-coders), and am working on the section for GO term enrichment.
There are a wide variety of packages available for GO term enrichment in R, and I was wondering which of these tools is most suitable for proteomics data.
The two I'm considering using are https://agotool.org/ which corrects for abundance with PTM data, or STRINGdb which has an enrichment function.
What do you guys recommend?
Best regards,
Sam
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Hi, I don't know the extent of your shiny application, but you can also use EnrichR (in R), which is also good, though, it upload the data to server during calculation.
Plus, I am curious how you will handle the missing IDs during ID mapping? ClusterProfiler can map IDs, but there are always some % of ID that are missing.
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Hi all,
I'm busy building a shiny analysis pipeline to analyse protemics data from mass spectrometry, and I was wondering what the exact difference is between the terms Over-represented, and Upregulated. Can they be used interchangeably? Is one more appropriate for RNA or proteins?
Thanks,
Sam
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I would extend that and say we really need to be careful using upregulated. To me, that means the expression of the protein is increased, so there is a fundamental change in the amount of protein quantified as a result of that. I'd suggest we use the term increased (or decreased) abundance when quantifying the protein, unless we have clear evidence to say otherwise. There are a lot of reasons protein quant differs between samples, and it's not always due to expression level changes. I agree you will find such terms used interchangeably, that does not mean it's correct, or a good idea.
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I ran samples with CaCO3 in positive mode, and I obtained the mass of [CaCO3+H]+. Is this possible? (I am using QTof with ESI).
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Yes, this is flying as a protonated adduct.
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I am searching for an online database of phenolic compounds extracted from plants which contains their UV spectra (or at least their λmax).
In the database phenol-explorer, there is almost everything about phenolic compounds except UNFORTUNATELY their UV spectra ...
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Noel W Davies thank you very much
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how to close the question
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Dear Hongjie Hu,
Please share the data it will easy to discuss.
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Hello! I am running an experiment involving biotin labelled DNA oligonucleotides. I hope to identify nuclear proteins bound specifically to my ~70bp oligonucleotides and elute the nuclear proteins using µMACS Miltenyi System. I will subject these proteins for in solution trypsin digestion followed by C18 spin column and mass spectrometry. Hence, I need to avoid the use of high salts (interfere with trypsin digestion) and detergents (interfere with mass spectrometry).
I am at odds on how I can separate my proteins from the 50nm microbeads. I have six options currently:
(1) Elute from the column with 5-50% acetonitrile gradient. I will speedvac before in solution digestion. This leaves the microbeads in the column and selectively elutes the protein. However I am concerned that acetonitrile might cause the proteins to precipitate in the column.
(2) Elute from the column with 2M ammonium bicarbonate. This leaves the microbeads in the column and selectively elutes the protein. However I am concerned that 2M is not strong enough to elute my proteins, and I would have to dilute to 50mM for in solution trypsin digestion.
(3) Elute from the column with HFIP. But I think HFIP is a very harsh organic solvent and might denature the proteins.
(4) Spin down the microbeads after reduction step. I cannot seem to find any protocol including spinning down microbeads, but I did see a paper that claims that 50nm microbeads are too small and non-sedimenting.
(5) Re-run MACS after reduction and collect the flow through. However, I might potentially lose many proteins.
(6) Just send the magnetic beads for mass spectrometry. Is this possible? Wouldn't the magnetic beads clog the C18 column.
I would really really appreciate any help you can provide as to which option sounds most feasible. Thank you so much!
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I would do an on-bead digestion with trypsin, which will give you the peptides that can then be followed by cleanup (if needed) and MS. This is quite a common approach for elution and any mass spec service should be able to advise you on it.
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Dear to whom it may concern,
I would like to kindly ask you about the ionization of acidic and salty forms of a given compound in electrospray ionization.
To be more specific, when I successively infused the reference standard solutions of atorvastatin in both its acidic (atorvastatin with an exact mass of 558.25) and salty (atorvastatin calcium with an exact mass of 1154.45) forms into the ionization source (electrospray ionization known as ESI) of the mass spectrometer, I always obtained the same precursor ion (m/z 559.5 in positive mode) of its forms.
I do not understand the reason why the atorvastatin calcium could show the same precursor ion as that of the acidic form of atorvastatin.
May you please give me an explanation of how the salty form of atorvastatin is ionized in ESI, resulting in the same precursor ion as that of the acidic form of atorvastatin?
Thank you so much.
Best regards,
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To my understanding, acetonitrile, methanol, isopropoanol etc. act as electron donors in ESI conditions, enhancing ionization in ESI+. This is one of the reason why ionization in ESI+ is enhanced by solvents (the other is their faster vaporization than water in ESI conditions).
some solvents are better electron donors than others, and you may notice signal enhancement switching from one to another...
hope this helps...
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Dear colleagues,
Have a nice day! Did anyone have a guide for PC settings or some sort of service manual for Waters Synapt G1 or any other old Waters instrument with EPC? My Synapt G1 won't boot on and I already don't have any idea what can I do to solve this problrm... OS on EPC won't boot on :-(
Warm regards,
Azamat
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Thank you for the answer! Yes, our case was caused by losing BIOS settings, we restored them and now Synapt is running. But absence of the manual for EPC is looks strange for me. battery in EPC is not eternal, so why did they don't add any information in user manual or even their web-site? It looks like Waters don't even think about situation, when their instrument will be online after more than 5 years :-)
Warm regards,
Azamat
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I have been optimizing method for determination of predsolone (360 amu) and dexamethasone (392 amu) using the Agilent 1100 HPLC coupled with the Waters tandem Mass spectrometry with electrospray ionization in positive mode. I´m using masslynx software.
For Mass spectrometry i´m using the cone voltage (v) 10; Source temp 150°C; desolvation temp 450°C; desolvation gas flow 650 L/hr; cone gas flow 110 L/hr; and cappilary voltage 3.4 kv.
My sample was diluted in 95%:5% (HPLC water:methanol). I am using a gradient method with a mobile phase composition of HPLC water and methanol both with 0.01% of formic acid.
I´m done with predsolone where I got 361 m/z as molecular ion peak with high intensity. But for dexamethasone, I didn't got the 393 m/z as molecular ion peak, instead I got 373 m/z with high intensity. The expected molecular ion peak (393 m/z) has very small relative abundance. I have tried to change the cone voltage of 5, 15, 20 and 25 but still no any changes observed instead the intensity decrease. Also I tried to lower the Source temp to 120°C but nothing changed.
Please can you assist me on how to enhance it?
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Thank you so much Prof. Noel
Let me work on your advice and will come back to you for feedback.
Thanks
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We are an EV-based lab and characterize the EVs using MS to look at the protein content of the EVs.
My question is why do these biological replicates have such a different elution profile? It seems like the sample at the top completely lacks hydrophilic peptides compared to the bottom one (the first half of the chromatogram).
Is this the MS sample prep error or the heterogeneity of EVs? - I don't think either as for the MS sample prep same stock solutions were used and regarding the heterogeneity of EVs - these are from wild-type untreated mice and therefore, cannot show such stark differences in their profile. However, I might be wrong and further insights are highly appreciated.
Details on the sample and MS sample prep method used (Note: Both the samples were prepared at the same time using the same stock solutions)
  1. Origin - mouse plasma (platelet depleted) (wild-type C57 mice no treatment whatsoever)
  2. EVs isolated using UC
  3. MS sample input quantity 10 ug (quantified using microBCA)
  4. MS sample prep method - SP3
  5. Injected 1 ug for both the samples into Thermo QE HF
Any leads are highly appreciated.
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İsmail Emir Akyildiz that is really a good suggestion. I would try this out
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I want to know other techniques than TEM and SEM for determining the formation of non-fluorescent metal nanoclusters. I have seen papers use Mass spectrometry. Are there any other techniques?
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Dynamic light scattering (DLS) and small-angle X-ray scattering (SAXS) are pretty much universal techniques. AFM might be demanding for sample preparation, but it is also possible.
Shift in the surface plasmon resonance (SFR) UV-VIS absorption peak works in some specific cases.
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I am trying to detect molecules that are connected with sugar.
The device is HRMS with ESI and APCI ionization source, but none can do the job.
Is it possible only with MALDI? or are there specific conditions that can help me?
Thanks a lot.
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Dear Itay,
do you see no signals at all, or is the identification/quantification of sugars connected to peptides the problem (e.g. in a software) ? Do you have a chromatography in front or do you only want to analyse single proteins and thus have a direct injection setup?
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I'm looking to find molecular weights from mass spec experiments to identify compounds. Is there a database aside from Human Metabolome Database HMDB)? I am coming across molecular weights that don't appear in HMDB.
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Yes, there are several other metabolome databases available aside from the Human Metabolome Database (HMDB). Here are some examples:
Metlin: A metabolite database that includes both experimental and predicted mass spectrometry data for a wide range of metabolites, including those from human and other species.
KEGG: A comprehensive resource for understanding metabolic pathways in various organisms, including human. It contains information on biochemical pathways, enzymes, and metabolites.
LipidMaps: A database of lipids, including information on their structures, physical properties, and associated enzymes and pathways.
BioCyc: A collection of databases that includes information on metabolic pathways, enzymes, and metabolites for a range of organisms.
ECMDB: The E. coli Metabolome Database, which provides information on the metabolites and metabolic pathways of Escherichia coli.
MetaboLights: A database of metabolomics studies, containing information on experimental designs, protocols, and raw data, as well as curated metadata and metabolite annotations.
These are just a few examples of the many metabolome databases that are available. Each database has its own strengths and limitations, and the choice of database will depend on the specific research question or application.
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I used LCMS to detect metabolites and after a PCA plot was generated, I noticed that there were some sample outliers. What could be the cause of this?
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There are several causes for the presence of outlyers. Impurities, errors during the extraction, the needle that for some reason did not inject the same amount of sample, and samples that are naturally different from the other ones.
You can solve the problem using this checklist.
- check the look of the chromatograms and verify that all of them look more or less the same.
- check IS intensities and verify that their peak area is within an acceptable range for all the samples.
- normalize the data across samples.
- scale the data using UV scaling.
- evaluate the presence of outlyers using RobustPCA.
good luck
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I am performing whole cell phosphoproteomics. Following cell lysis, I have trypsinized and desalted 10mg of cell lysate, which I am using for phosphoenrichment. The enrichment is antibody based, binds to phosphorylated tyrosines. However, we are unable to detect phosphopeptides by mass spectrometry following enrichment. One concern raised was that the starting protein is low. What is a good amount of lysate to begin with?
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Late answer but TiO2 and FeNTA are not suitable for phosphotyrosines( i.e I quantified 43 phosphotyrosines by a sample from which I quantified nearly 9000 S/T phosphosites so much less than 1% with TiO2) If you don't have sample quantity problems(not working on clinical data) pY100 antibodies are the best for phosphotyrosines. Not really an expert but if you can quantify more than 300 phosphotyrosines its a success.
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I want to quantify 2-HG metabolite in the cultured cells and after drug treatment. can the cells be frozen if not performing the lysis on the same day?
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You need to freeze them immediately using liquid nitrogen in order to stop the metabolism of the cell. After this you can keep the cells until the analysis day.
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routing problem, contact service engineers of Thermofisher.
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Hi everyone,
I am looking for an LC-MS dataset where two or more conditions are compared and biomarkers (or important metabolites) from each condition are identified. I need the name of the biomarker, its mz value and its retention time value.
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Dear Khawla,
former colleagues of mine created this database for biomarkers: http://bionda.mpc.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/start.php
You can either look for a disease and find biomarkers or directly for a protein of your choice to see if it was identified as being a biomarker previously.
However as Jennifer pointed out especially RT values are highly dependent on the chromatography was used and can differ significantly. The m/z value should be identical for the majority of the MS machines, can differ though, when differently charged ion species are prefered by MS method or application. Nowadays there are also a lot of predicition tools in proteomics which help you to predict this values for different set ups. This might also be an option.
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Hello,
I made an HPLC-MS analysis for methanolic extracts of plants (in negative mode)
Can someone help me to identify the molecule corresponding to this peak through its mass spectrum?
Thank you very much in advance
Sincerely
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Given only that information it is very difficult to make a tentative identification of the compound, you have to explain what specific analysis was performed if it was only masses, or masses masses and there are fragments that can further support the identification. Also, information about the compounds previously identified in that plant could help you to know what type of compound it is. I leave you some pages that may help you to identify the compounds.
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We wonder what the best way (using mass spectrometry) is to sequence a whole protein with molecular weights of 50KDa. Thanks.
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Hi Yang,
Is the sequence of the protein you're interested in known? In other words. would you like to confirm its sequence, or do you mean you want to de novo sequence it?
My first response would to proteolytically digest it and analyze the resulting mixture of peptides with LC-MS/MS to get accurate masses and fragmentation. In this way, you should be able to reconstruct the amino acid sequence. Getting full sequence coverage sometimes requires the use of multiple proteolytic enzymes.
Another possibility would be to top-down sequence it, for example using electron transfer dissociation, but in that case you'd need access to that type of equipment.
So, basically, a few remaining questions are:
- what do you know of your protein of interest already (also regarding modifications, such as glycosylation)?
- what type of MS equipment do you have available?
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imaging mass spectrometry
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Mrs/Miss Saeedi,
There is needed only raw of your measurable variables.
Please, see our work on MALDI [1].
[1] Journal of Molecular Structure, 1260 (2022) 132701
Stochastic dynamic quantitative and 3D structural matrix assisted laser desorption/ionization mass spectrometric analyses of mixture of nucleosides
Bojidarka Ivanova, Michael Spiteller
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I noticed 13% -1Corbon, 27% -2 Carbons, 15%-3Carbons, 10%-4Carbons and 4%-5Carbons coming from Glucose to Glutamate in the TCA cycle noted by isotope tracer studies. Please explain the mechanism of how it happened.
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There is no exact stoichiometry for any large cycle in metabolic networks. You can write out the system of equations for all the potential metabolites, then you need to add the recycle equations (including oxidative phosphorylation and PMF build up from NADH recycle). You will end up with more equations than unknowns, which implies an infinite number of solutions. To this system you need to add the sum of the free energies of all the reactions Delta Gr ≤ 0 to get the reactions to proceed, again, the inequality isn't sufficient to define a unique solution, only a boundary beyond which certain stoichiometries can't exist. This issue is called metabolic uncoupling. An example of this (for mixed acid fermentation), which explains the issues in biochemical stoichiometries, is provided in Schneider, LV, Biological Engineering: The unit operations and mathematical modeling of biology, Chp 2, (LVS Sciences, Houston, 2022). You can also look at the online lecture from this book (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r9MVzwxdAs)
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Kindly , suggest where to learn about data interpretation for Mass spectrometry analysis?
Note: LCMS for peptide or protein identification using mass-to-charge ratio (m/z) of one or more molecules present in a sample.
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Mr. Siddique,
Exact quantitative analysis of any analytes by means of mass spectrometry can be carried out, currently, only within the framework of our (own authored theory to me and my co-author as shown in the corresponding references, below) innovative mass spectrometric strochastic dynamic theory and model equations.
Please, consider works [1,3] and the reference section, therein.
[1] Steroids, 181, 2022, 109001
Mass spectrometric stochastic dynamic 3D structural analysis of mixture of steroids in solution – Experimental and theoretical study
B. Ivanova, M. Spiteller
[2] B. Ivanova, M. Spiteller, Stochastic dynamic ultraviolet photofragmentation and high collision energy dissociation mass spectrometric kinetics of triadimenol and sucralose, 2022, in press.
[3] B. Ivanova, M. Spiteller, Exact quantifying of mass spectrometric variable intensity of analyte peaks with respect to experimental conditions of measurements – a stochastic dynamic approach, 2022, in press.
Particularly, an examination of peptides via our approach we have performed, as well. Please, consider work [4].
However, please, be informed that the latter contribution shows only application of the basic stochastic dynamic equation. The next two (2) derivative equations within the framework of the same theory and basic model formula are not used in this study.
[4] B. Ivanova, M. Spiteller, Chapter 1. Experimental Mass Spectrometric and Theoretical Treatment of the Effect of Protonation on the 3D Molecular and Electronic Structures of Low Molecular Weight Organics and Metal–Organics of Silver(I) Ion, In Protonation: Properties, Applications and Effects, A. Germogen (Ed.) NOVA Science Publishing, New York, 2019.
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I understand that in MALDI experiments the H comes from the matrix, but what about SALDI?
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Firstly, in SALDI experiments, a protonated ion can hardly be observed. Once you found a [M+H]+, we would like to consider that the H source may come from the containment of your MALDI target, or it can come from the acid species of your sample.
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Dear all,
I'm starting out with mass spectrometetry, and am thinking of using DIA for improved quantitation of low abundance proteins, and to save on buying TMT reagents.
Does anyone know how the batch-to-batch variation in DIA compares to using TMT and DDA?
I'll be using cells from human cell culture, and an Orbitrap Fusion Lumos.
Thanks!
Sam
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Hi Sam,
your approach depends on how many samples? If it can fit into a single TMT run, and I’m pretty sure they are up to 29-plex now, then you’ll be hard pressed to beat variability with DIA. If you are running >60 samples (so now you have at least 3 x 29-plex runs) then I would argue DIA would be preferable. You clearly have the MS to do either approach. Also consider the expertise in the lab for both running the samples and analysing the data.
If you do a search, you’ll find plenty of papers comparing DIA, to TMT, to DDA. This tends not to be batch variability comparison, more coverage and missing values. There has also been a lot of work recently on removing batch affects and unless you have a shocker, it can be removed in most cases.
Good luck,
Peter
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I run the samples same group in two batches with quality control samples so it is showing batch effect. How to correct the batch effect?
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This method developed by Sili Fan and col. is a great option for batch correction.
Systematic Error Removal Using Random Forest for Normalizing Large-Scale Untargeted Lipidomics Data
DOI: 10.1021/acs.analchem.8b05592
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We have a Q-exactive Orbitrap mass spectrometer. I have noticed that the number of protein groups observed from 100 ng of HeLa whole cell lysate (purchased from Thermo) has gone down from 1800 to 1100. What could be a reason for decrease in the number of protein groups the instrument is able to identify?
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Hi,
Can you explain what you mean by number of protein groups? Is that based on GO terms, for example?
There can be numerous reasons for why you find different data between different runs: did you analyze the exact same sample in both cases, or are these independent preparations of the same lysate? And how much time was in between the runs? Do you know how many peptides were detected in both runs, did you check what the TIC in both runs looks like, to get an idea of overall data quality comparability between runs? Have other people been running samples in the meantime?
Depending on the calibration of the MS, the overall cleanliness of the system, etc., the data obtained from a mass spec experiment can greatly differ.. A bit more information would be helpful, I guess.
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I'm doing molecular spectroscopy experiments in a UHV setup. Currently the laser passes through the experiment and I measure the laser energy with a Gentec powerhead after the exit window. However, normalizing my signal with the laser energy does not produce very good results. I would like to find a powerhead that is designed to be used in UHV that I can attach to some manipulator near the interaction region. Any ideas?
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Hi Adela,
I missed your response. Yes, I have measured the linearity of both the detector as well as the depletion of the ion beam with the power of the laser at several wavelengths. The issue is that day-to-day I cannot get consistent overlap of the ion/laser beams and the optical path is not well-aligned (old vacuum parts--I suspect one cross flange is bent by 1-2 degrees). The OPO laser beam is roughly 1x0.5 cm^2 and when scanning from UV to IR the most intense part of the beam walks around a bit. An iris aperture and a detector near the interaction region is my best idea of solving the issue.
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Good morning everyone, hope you doing great !
I was wondering if it's possible to put a log2 scale model for Multivariate analysis on Simca (PCA/PLSDA/OPLSDA).
Am using the version 14.1 and for the moment i have only few options which are not always convenient for mass spectrometry data (see picture bellow)
I would appreciate if anyone could help about that.
Thank's by advance !
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Hello i really appreciate your help ! I tried before that transformation but it was not the same as compared in R studio. I thought maybe there is a formula that i can put manually to do that.
In mass spectrometry data, switching between data scales can change the whole interpretation of the results. For that reason i want to apply the same transformation as my team do with Rstudio..
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Although MALDI-ToF have already proven to not only optimize workflows within the lab, but also to offer increased diagnostic resolution and decreased time-to-result, a study by Singhal, et al., entitled "MALDI-TOF mass spectrometry: an emerging technology for microbial identification and diagnosis" in table 1 stated a disadvantage that MALDI-ToF may have a high initial cost for the equipment.
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I know of work done with capillary electrophoresis for that matter, but not HPLC. I was wondering whether anybody knew of work done with that technique, to read the articles. Thanks a lot in advance.
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Don't be surprised that plasma (the sample matrix) will interfere with HPLC-UV detection. So the answer depends on 'which' amino acids and their concentration.
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Can anyone please share any article showing the minimum volume of sample/ protein concentration to perform a Laser ionization mass spectrometry (LIMS) or any mass spectrometry techniques in general?
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Various instruments and methods have different requirements for sample volume.
In the case of classic autosamplers there is some minimal vial volume. If you choose the right vials with special inserts, the minimal sample volume would be about 10 ul.
There are some tricks to avoid this problem, e.g. elution of the sample from solid phase as in the Evosep system, but it is not very common yet.
In techniques such as MALDI ionization there is no minimal sample volume recruitments because the sample is mixing with a specialized matrix during sample preparation.
The question about sensitivity is much more complicated - different molecules will have various detection range in the same conditions. To maximize sensitivity you should carefully choose ionization conditions and try to avoid contaminations.
By our experience, in the case of MALDI, the purity of the sample often is much more important than amount of target peptide in it. Sometimes, when our colleagues use poor quality plastic and do not work properly it is impossible to obtain a good signal even in very concentrated sample. The quality of plastics and solvents is very important for mass spectrometry.
Other example comes from ESI-ionization. Addition of TFA instead of FA to the sample significantly reduces signal strength for most peptides.
Finally, do not forget about derivatization techniques. Derivatization is aimed to perform chemical modifications which significantly increase ionization efficiency of the target molecule.
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Dear RG members/Mass Spec experts:
There are many software packages for predicts fragmentation of native peptides. Is there any free software that can facilitate the prediction of the fragmentation of isotope-labeled peptides acquired from the mass spectrometry?
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Thank you, Ismail and Eef. Finally I made it work using Protein Prospector. The drop-down list did not help as it only includes a limited number of modifications. What I did is to define new amino acids with isotope-labelling. For example, the isotope-labeled lysine can be defined as k = 13C6 H12 15N2 O1 (please note that one H2O need to be removed). Then the software can generate correct theoretical m/z for both the parent ion and fragment ions.
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I have been digesting my protein of interest with trypsin prior to submitting samples for mass spectromentric analysis to determine site of modifications. However, it seems like the peptide containing the desired site of modification is always missing from the detected chromatogram.
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It is better to know what kind of modification you predict and how long the PTM peptide is. We may filter the troubleshoot after this information in terms of non-specific binding, or flow through elution. We can also suggest at this point enriching the PTM peptide by using an affinity-based technique such as TiO2 for phosphor proteome, lectin for glycoproteome, di-gly for ubiquitin, etc... This may be a simple dynamic range problem and can be fixed after a specific or nonspecific peptidome enrichment...
Good luck, emir...
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Does anyone know how to screen for significantly different phosphoproteins? I was confused about that screening differential phosphoproteins should be based on phosphopeptides or phosphorylation sites? What's the difference between these two ways? And the significantly different phosphoproteins require normalized by proteome?
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Dear Xiaoyin Zeng,
MaxQuant is offering a Summer School every year, whose recordings you can also find on youtube. They have a complete tutorial on how to do PTM analysis of proteins. I am sure you will find your answers there.
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I am using desthiobiotin instead of biotin for pulling down a particular protein via streptavidin beads. The desthiobiotin is clicked to the chemical probe I am using for the protein. Post enrichment, I am digesting the proteins 'on beads' and then eluting the desthiobiotinylated peptides. I am submitting the digested sample for proteomic analysis to determine site of modification. However, I am not sure if the desthiobiotin is intact during the proteomics mass spectrometry analysis and hence can't predict the exact mass difference expected.
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Hi Sauradip Chaudhuri,
If you do an on beads digestion, you will only get peptides which will be cutted away from the Streptavidin bead/desthiobiotin complex. Depending on the digestion enzyme and the available digestion sites on desthiobiotin you may also have some desthiobiotin peptides in your identified sequences after LC-MS analysis but this should not be a problem if you perform your LC-MS analysis and downstream data analysis in the correct way.
Good luck!
Murat
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Dear all,
I'm running a nanoLC-MS/MS system (from Thermo Fisher), while for all samples (peptides), we only observe high TIC at 95% buffer B (acetonitrile), nothing was eluted at 2-50% buffer B in 60 min. the TIC chromatogram of samples were similar to the blank one (pure water), although we find different MS spectrum. Whet we have done:
(1) Clean the whole system with 70% buffer B, actually NC pump and loading pump pressures kept quite normal.
(2) Sample injection model is micro-pickup, we use buffer A (2% ACE/water) as the transport liquid.
(3) Previously, during elution, the NC pump flow is from valve 3 (in)-2-5-4 (out) then to the analytic column. The trap column was set between 5 and 2 (flow direction 5-2, sample loading was from 6 (in)-5-2-1 (out, discharge liquid). Therefore, in this way, the sample concentrated in the trap column was reversely washed out during the elution step. Actually, I feel very confused about this, can the trap column be operated at a reverse flow direction?? Therefore,
(4) I changed the flow route during the elution, i.e., 4 (in)-5-2-3(out).
(5) None of above step works, so, I thought the trap column might be damaged, and then replace it with a new one, exactly the same P/N.
Then, again, it does not work.
Regarding the samples, we detected the protein concentration, which were around 2 mg/mL, 2 or 4 ul of injection volume. All the samples were checked using HPLC, most peptides were eluted before 30% buffer B.
What I'm thinking:
(1) The analytical column is damaged? while, as I know, if nothing blocked, such a column should work for a long time, right? If yes, what is the reason for the damage of analytical column?
(2) The trap column should work at a reversed flow direction during the elution??? ( I did not try this for the new trap column). If so, what is the reason behind??
Any tips, comments, helps are welcome, MANY THANKS in advance.
Best,
Yuhong
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Hello Yuhong Mao,
Perhaps try a few injections without the use of a trap column. This will identify if the analytical column is functional or not.
Once you have determined the analytical column is functional, add a trap column but install it so that the loading and eluting directions are the same i.e., do not operate in a reverse flush way as many columns no longer support this.
Finally, ensure that the column switching timings are correct so you have adequate time to transfer the sample to the analytical column.
Good luck.
Best,
Peter
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Im willing to do peptide sequencing of my sample using edmand degradation method for which i need to characterize and purify the peptide sample,I have access only to 2D gel electrophoresis and HPLC ,will there be diffference in the results or purity of the sample using these techniques when comparing with mass spectrometry analysis
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The oldest of old school methods. By separating by 2D-PAGE, you need to get the protein out of the gel, which means either blotting to PVDF or ingel digestion to peptides. Blotting to PVDF means that your Edman will give you the amino acid sequence from the N-terminal which may be enough to give you a match. Ingel digestion means that you have peptides that you then need to separate by reversed phase and then Edman separately which you could then use to reassemble into the protein sequence. However, the won't be a difference in the results obtained if your sequencer can reliably give you 10-20 amino acids. But it will take 50-100x longer than LC-MS/MS. Edman cycles are typically 1 hour per amino acid whereas LC-MS/MS for a single spot is ~30 mins using nanoflow.
Adding to the complexity of this, there are actually many proteoforms in a single 2D separated spot.
Are you able to perform an in gel digest and send the peptides to someone who can do the LC-MS/MS for you? It would save an enormous amount of time and expense compared to the Edman.
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Dear all,
I am looking for a LC-MS spike-in dataset with :
- two or more classes.
- at least a hundred of samples.
- a list of the spiked peptides (mz and RT).
I found a dataset in Leepika Tuli et al, 2012 (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221865421_Using_a_spike-in_experiment_to_evaluate_analysis_of_LC-MS_data) which corresponds perfectly to what I am looking for, but it contains only 10 samples.
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For antibody sequencing
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It strictly depends on the overall approach to antibody sequencing. The main benefits of TIMSTOF instrument is high sensitivity and high ms/ms speed. It best fits to the transcriptome-assisted sequencing of native affinity purified pools( e.g. repertoire analysis of convalescent sera) It gives the acceptable quality ms2 of tryptic peptides with deep overall proteome coverage.
The same time timstof is inadequate instrument for true de-novo sequencing of mabs without database assistance. The modern Orbitraps performs multiple modes of fragmentation(CID, HCD, ETD, EThcD, UVPD) for different type proteolityc peptides. It greatly improves the quality of identification of long peptides (especially DMAPA-treated V8 peptides) and allows to differentiate Leu/Ile at the protein level. But this is true only for high-end Tribrid series Orbitraps(and partially for ETD hybrids) but not for Exactive and Exploris series.
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I could not obtain the Silica Tip for Agilent 6845 Q-TOF LC-MS Nano-spray, presently. The company, New Objective, and their branch have not answered for this product, until now. Unfortunatly, the company agilent also looks like to have not any stratage for this problem.
If anybody has any other contact point for New Objective or has the solution, please help me.
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Dear Jong Won Han,
our institute is based in Germany and we are faced with the same problem for several months now. We switched to steel needles, which are reusable as you can clean them in Methanole. The only drawback so far is that they are not recommended to be used for Phospho PTM analysis and additionally they are not compatible with a FAIMS device. Maybe steel needles could be an option for you to try, if your work is not focused on the drawbacks mentioned above.
Best wishes,
Britta
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Nowadays mass spectrometry instrument vender is not providing repair or service manual. Third party service provider is not going to teach you how to repair the instrument either. Communicate with other user is very helpful.
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Try ISOGEOCHEM if you not already did.
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Hi,
I have performed stable integrations of GFP+gene of interest (dox inducible) in HEK293T cells and subsequently performed LC-MS/MS comparing agarose beads versus agarose-Anti-GFP beads for several proteins. I can find interaction between 2 proteins when pulling down one of them, but not when pulling down the other other, and I cannot figure out why.
The scenario:
All GFP's are placed at the N-terminal site of the GOI unless stated otherwise.
Pulling down protein A (2 different isoforms in 2 cell lines) identifies protein B and C as interactors, which are part of different complexes and do not interact with each other (these interactions have been described in recent papers). When I pull down proteins (D,F) known to be in a complex with protein A, I CAN identify protein A.
When I pull down protein B or C I do NOT identify protein A, thus I created new cell lines where protein B or C are C-tagged instead of N-tagged, in these pull downs I again cannot identify protein A. The methodology, analysis, and versions of maxquant/perseus are the same, and I have made sure that this is not a problem with filtering or sample problems (protein A is only identified by 1.75 peptides on average through out pulldowns of protein C and D)
I then performed pull down of a protein (G) that is in a complex with protein D (the whole complex is only 4 proteins), and again could NOT identify protein A (while pulldown of protein A also showed interaction with protein G).
I should note that all of these experiments show interactions with their known interactors other than this, and protein A is not an unidentifiable protein as shown by pulldowns of D, and F.
Having N- and C-tagged proteins C and D, which are part of different complexes, as well as having checked another member of the complex (GG) that protein D is part of, and still not identifying protein A, I do not know what reason this could have.
The interactions between A<>C, A<>D, A<>G have been described, and the expression of endogenous levels of protein A in my cells has been confirmed.
Any possible reasons or things to explore would be highly appreciated!
Kind regards,
Jelle
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As Tomas wrote "it's not uncommon to observe the interaction only in one direction"; all your prot A could be in the complexes whereas protein B and C are in vast excess in the cell and only a small fraction in complex with A, binding of antibodies to B could disrupt the interaction with A, or its epitope masked when in complex with A ....
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I have a Waters Xevo TQ MS and the Instrument passes the calibration and resolution only in positive mode. Negative mode keeps failing. Did anyone else notice this issue? What could be a possible solution?
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Essentially, you have to open up the quads (both) and clean them periodically.
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Hello everyone, I am measuring the residual environment of an indigenously developed 2.45 GHz operated Electron Cyclotron Resonance (ECR) Plasma Enhanced Chemical Vapour Deposition (PECVD) system by a QRGA system (1-200 amu). The PECVD system is currently kept at a vacuum 3x10-3 mbar (using anti-suckback double stage rotary vane pump). QMS study has been carried out at both unbaked (~300K) condition and higher temperature (~700K).
It has been observed that at higher temperature, the residual environment of the PECVD system contains very high amount of hydrogen may be contributed by degassing from inner wall of the chamber and rotary pump's oil vapour.
I am thinking of removing the hydrogen content present in the PECVD system at higher temperature. Without improving the base vacuum, what are the possible ways this hydrogen content can be minimized? We know Palladium has the ability to absorb large volumetric quantities of hydrogen at room temperature and atmospheric pressure, and subsequently forms palladium hydride (PdHx). Are there any other materials that can be used at higher temperature (~700K to 800K) for this residual hydrogen absorption?
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Dear Samit Karmakar,
THat was a part of the installation/device used in my very old work
The palladium window was used for dossage of tritium to the experimental volume by heating when T2 was to add.
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In response to a reviewers comments, I want to measure the following:
- The presence/ratio of different nucleotide di-/tri-phosphates produced by an enzymatic reaction (E.g ATP vs ADP and dATP vs dADP)
I thought this reaction could be measured via some sort of tandem mass spec, where a chromatography step is used to seperate small molecules from large proteins, and then native mass spec can indentify the different nucleotide species.
This experiment is somewhat outside my wheelhouse, so I am looking for suggestions as to how to measure such a reaction.
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Its definitey possible. As Dr. Bester mentioned the chromatography will be the main thing you need to figure out. For phosphates we previously used ion pairing with dimethyl hexylamine which worked nicely. But ion pairing has its own problem. Otherwise you have to try HILIC chromatography. Tandem MS would be very straightforward. You will always see phosphate species in negative mode for nucleotides which you can use as a non specific fragemtn ion, and then you can pick one specific fragment for each species as well.
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Hi, How we can identify an unknown protein in the results of mass spectrometry? Is there any software for this?
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Hiba Salim as I mentioned earlier, it is helpful to know what type of data you are receiving: is it deconvoluted mass of the molecular ion or fragment ions? If all you have from the measurement is molecular ion mass, then identifying this protein reliably will not be possible. There is, however, an option of checking for PTM from mass difference between predicted mass of the protein of interest and experimentally detected mass. Likewise, checking for protein degradation is possible by comparing detected mass against predicted fragmentation series. Good luck!
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In my last mass spectrometry run, your three standards included in the run were all 50% less abundant than expected. What are some causes and why?
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Depends on the standard chemistry and quantitation strategy. Can be chemical degradation due to storage, for example, or absorbance to vial walls. If abundance was assessed by MS signal, instrument performance specs on a tuning mix or something you use to benchmark performance need to be demonstrated before making conclusion on sample abundance.
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In my last mass spectrometry run, your three standards included in the run were all 50% less abundant than expected. What are some causes and why?
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Without background information I would presume that we will not able to help You... Sorry.
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I'm new to mass spec/proteomics and hoping for some advice! 
We want to do mass-spec on the pulldown from an immunoprecipitation.  We are concerned about IgG/antibody contamination in the sample.
Unfortunately, chemically crosslinking (with DSS) our antibody to the beads decreases the activity of our antibody. Silver staining of our IP product shows that we lose a significant amount of target proteins with antibody crosslinking,although it does eliminate IgG elution.
We are looking for a way to reduce IgG elution, without having to crosslink.  Due to budget constraints, we would also like to avoid alternative (expensive) antibody coupling techniques (such as the surface activated Epoxy m270 dynabeads).
I've found some papers suggesting "soft elution"  (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21448433) to reduce IgG contamination. Does anyone have experience with this?
Alternatively, is it possible to simply excise the IgG heavy and light chain bands from the gel, and submit the rest of the lane for mass spec?  
Thanks for any help!
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Hi Samantha,
Did you use Epoxy m270 dynabeads kit finally to avoid IgG contamination from IP samples?
If yes, how is your result?
Thanks!
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Hi all,
I have been working on optimizing lysis conditions to do whole proteome lysis from liver tissue and have a head-scratcher. Using the BioRad detergent compatible BCA analysis kit, I get a woefully low estimation of protein extracted when compared to doing a mass balance (weighing empty tube, liver, then remaining pellet after extraction)... I've washed the liver tissue as much as possible to remove blood (non-perfused at harvest) and the samples aren't bloody looking. Does anyone have any suggestions of expected protein extracted per wet liver weight? If I know that, I can at least have a better idea of which number I should use (BCA or mass balance).
many thanks
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As a very general rule of thumb, the protein yield after tissue extraction in SDS or urea buffers with sonication/bead beater for total cell lysis, including organelles (whole proteome extraction) will be approximately 5-10% of the initial wet weight. So from a piece of tissue that weighs 100 mg, one might expect 5-10 mg of protein. This varies of course depending on the type of tissue being processed, the stringency of the lysis/extraction reagents and process (are you pulverizing the frozen tissue first?), whether the tissue is dehydrated, and the volume of buffer used for lysis.
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Nuclear Insoluble Protein Immunoprecipitation
Hi all,
I am working on a mammalian protein that is found in the nucleus and I would like to Immunoprecipitate it (IP) and send it for mass spectrometry analysis in order to determine its interaction-partners.
I used several protocols for extraction, but long story short, the insoluble nuclear fraction is salt resistant and not so much is known about those proteins. Theoretically this fraction contains nuclear architecture proteins, nucleolar proteins, as well as some RNPs and a few chromatin proteins. From what I found, the easiest way to work with these proteins is to solubilize them in a buffer containing high concentration of detergent (8M urea, Laemmli loading buffer, high-SDS protein extraction buffer...). However, these strong denaturing conditions are bad for immunoprecipitation.
Concerning IP: my control is a cell line that is knocked out for this protein. When I try to IP it, everything looks correct on my blot. However, if I perform a Ponceau staining after the transfer step, I can see that I IP a lot of proteins even in my KO. I actually have a smear of proteins in both my KO and non-KO conditions (endogenous and tagged-protein), showing that the IP is absolutely not specific.
But it is even worse than just an aspecific antibody issue. I tried to IP the native protein, the tagged version of it, I used magnetic beads, Protein A/G PLUS-Agarose beads, pre-clearing, different types of buffers (including CHAPS-containing buffer, that is used to partially resolubilize membrane proteins) but I cannot make it work. It is really not about any kind of aspecificity.
My guess is that these proteins are so insoluble that they form clumps together, and they will bind to anything you put in the tube, not in a specific way at all. The problem is that to solubilize them, I would have to use detergents, that would then disrupt protein-protein interactions. People in my lab do not have much knowledge about similar samples, so I am quite lost for a while about that. Anyone has worked with similar proteins or know some tips that could help me? I am not even sure that it is something that can be achieved.
Thank you in advance for your response!
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First of all, any IP will give you an enrichment, not a pure purification. So seeing many bands on an IP is not unusual. Even if you get a 100x enrichment, you will still have a lot of other bands in the lane besides your specific protein of interest.
For poorly soluble nuclear proteins you could prepare chromatin as you do for ChIP. Cross-link cells with formaldehyde then solubalize chromatin in 1% SDS buffer. This denatures all proteins, but if they are cross-linked then they will remain bound. Dilute the 1%SDS buffer about 1:10 for IP and then try with your antibody. It is essentially a ChIP assay but after IP and wash, analyze the proteins by reversing the cross-links and boiling in SDS/PAGE buffer. Check for your protein of interest and any bound co-IPed proteins by Western blot.
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Hello, how much carbon atom mass is with the Mass spectrometry ?
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Comment on units: amu is an outdated unit, although it's still implemented in many softwares. The current unit is "u". It is:
1 amu = 1/16*m(16O)
1u = 1/12*m(12C)
The also often-used unit "Dalton" (Da) was originally defined as 1Da=1amu, but has been redefined as 1Da=1u. The fun part is that spectrometers that give out results in Dalton don't tell you whether the old or the new Dalton is implemented.
For most coarse measurements the difference between u and amu is within the instrumental accuracy, but if you're using an FTICR or an Orbitrap it makes a difference.
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I am doing lipid research from extracellular vesicles, and in near future I am going to use Mass-Spec. I am still planning my experiment. I read some literatures but I found it is little confused for me to figure out which solvent should I use to dissolve my lipid samples. Generally, I after I extracted lipids from my samples using mixture of chloroform and methanol, I will need to evaporate the organic solvent through speedvac/nitrogen evaporator to prevent the lipid from being oxidized. And if my column is Thermo Accucore C30 column, my mobile phase is A:(60% acetonitrile: 40% H2O with 10 mM ammonium formate and 0.1% formic acid) and B: (90% isopropanol: 10% acetonitrile with 10 mM ammonium formate and 0.1% formic acid). Is there any suggestions for me to try about the solvent to dissolve the lipid in before inject into Mass-Spec? Thank you ahead!
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You can dissolve your analyte in (3:1) Chloroform/Methanol or (1:1)Methyl-tert butyl ether(MTBE)/water, these are mostly used solvents for lipid extraction for Mass spec analysis, you can keep the sample with solvent in a water sonication bath for couple of min & incubate @30°C for better result.
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Dear folks,
I am going to work on untargeted metabolomics with Agilent QToF. Please suggest to me the best software for untargeted metabolomics.
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These softwares may actually help you (MetFrag and XCMS).
Here's their respective links:
Best wishes,
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I am currently growing Moringa trees to supply leaves, roots to companies which can use it for medical uses. Any suggestions on what tests need to be done before I supply them to the companies and what products can be made from it other than powder from leaves and roots?
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Please see this file
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A primary look at imputation methods feels like we are just inventing values to make the data fit.
e.g.
For data where we impute to improve the replicate clustering: aren't we forcing the replicates to agree?
For data where the protein is missing but we impute some kind of probabilistic value, what if the protein is actually absent?
For data where the absent values are non-random and non-ignorable, do we know the technical cause of missing values to impute?
How do we know whether our imputation has made the data better or caused us to introduce artefacts?
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I hope all your queries get answered with these articles:
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I have raw data for global/untargeted mass spectrometry metabolomic data. I have processed that data and now have with me the peak intensities of all the m/z values. I had also spiked the samples with an internal standard. Can anyone tell me how can I normalize my data using the internal standard?
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I am using Pierce™ Phosphoprotein Enrichment Kit for phosphoprotein enrichment. The kit contains lysis buffer which has 0.25% CHAPS but lysis with the same buffer is not efficient and i am not getting even 2 mg protein with two 10cm dish. Please suggest if anybody knows the lysis buffer compatible with phosphoprotein enrichment and mass spectrometry.
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You may add also lysozyme and deoxycholate as ms compatible surfactant along with phosphatase/protease inhibitors to lyse the cells. Deoxycholate is a membrane soluble anionic labile detergent and can be degraded in low pH conditions. Urea is also a good recommendation. However, you can perform the FASP protocol to get rid of MS incompatible detergents prior to analysis and simultaneously can digest and collect the phosphoprotein efficiently. Collected peptide fraction (filtrate) can be further used to selective enrichment of phosphopeptides by using commercial Phosphoprotein Enrichment Kit.
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Hi,
After In-gel digestion for mass spectrometric characterization of proteins (with Trypsin), I am struggling to find a software which may came with a tutorial or manual and help me to analysis my data.
I would like to read your advice,
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Dear Gabriela,
the Matrix Science website (Mascot database) has some good pdf files for training, which could be helpful for you.
Here is the link:
Good luck,
Murat
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Hello,
I am analyzing mass spectrometry data using the Bovine Fasta File in MaxQuant. When I remove the contaminants with Perseus, I am losing many proteins that should not be contaminants.
I know you can modify this list of contaminants on MaxQuant and Perseus but, do you know if it is available an updated Bovine Fasta File to avoid doing this?
Thank you very much.
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