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Mass Spectrometry is an analytical method used in determining the identity of a chemical based on its mass using mass analyzers/mass spectrometers.
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Hi everyone I need to know about New methods in ionizing Non volatile compounds in mass spectrometry. . If you know about this please share some papers with me.
Thank you.
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Recent advancements in mass spectrometry for ionizing non-volatile compounds include techniques like extractive-liquid sampling electron ionization (E-LEI-MS) and nanopore ion sources, which enhance sensitivity and reduce sample loss. These innovations enable real-time analysis and broaden the range of analytes that can be effectively studied.
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I have used STAT60 to isolate RNA successfully. I am wanting to collect RNA and protein from tissues, and according to the manufacturer's information I could allegedly use STAT60 to collect both types of molecules. What I would ideally like to do is precipitate both RNA and protein from the same tissues and submit the protein for mass spectrometry. Has anyone used STAT60-isolated proteins successfully for mass spectrometry?
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STAT60 is primarily designed for RNA isolation and does not specifically cater to protein extraction suitable for mass spectrometry. While it can be used to co-isolate proteins during RNA extraction, the resulting protein samples may not be optimal for high-precision applications like mass spectrometry. The presence of contaminants such as guanidine salts and phenol, commonly used in RNA isolation processes, can interfere with mass spectrometry analysis and may necessitate additional purification steps.
For more reliable protein isolation specifically for mass spectrometry, methods like filter-aided sample preparation (FASP), S-Trap, or SP3 protocols are recommended. These methods ensure efficient protein digestion and purification, reducing contaminants that can affect mass spectrometric analysis. Additionally, optimized commercial kits, such as Thermo Fisher’s mass spec sample prep kits, have shown to yield reproducible and high-quality protein preparations from tissues for LC-MS/MS applications.
If you're focusing on protein extraction for mass spectrometry, selecting a method or kit designed explicitly for this purpose is advisable.
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why in mass spectrometry, The numbers to the right of the dot in the calculated and found m/z values of the synthesized compounds are different from each other.
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Differences in the numbers to the right of the dot in calculated and found m/z values in mass spectrometry can arise from factors such as mass resolution, natural isotopic variations, fragmentation patterns, and instrument calibration. These elements can lead to discrepancies between theoretical predictions and actual measurements.
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I'm currently working on calculating the collision cross section (CCS) for various ions, and I'm facing challenges when dealing with sodiated and multiply charged ions.
Most of the resources I’ve found focus on protonated or deprotonated forms, but I need to calculate CCS for:
  1. Sodiated Ions: What adjustments or considerations are necessary to accurately calculate CCS for sodiated ions?
  2. Multiply Charged Ions: What are the best practices or computational methods for handling the complexities of CCS calculations in multiply charged ions?
I would greatly appreciate any advice, recommended tools, or literature that could guide me in this process.
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Calculating the collision cross-section (CCS) for sodiated adduct ions and multiply charged ions involves experimental and theoretical approaches. Here's how to proceed:
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1. Experimental Approach (Using Ion Mobility Spectrometry - IMS)
Sodiated adduct ions ([M+Na]⁺) and multiply charged ions (e.g., [M+2H]²⁺) are injected into the IMS instrument.
Measure the drift time () under a known electric field, gas type (e.g., N₂ or He), pressure, and temperature.
Use the Mason-Schamp equation to calculate CCS ():
\Omega = \frac{{3ze}}{{16N}} \left( \frac{{2\pi}}{{k_BT\mu}} \right)^{1/2} \frac{{t_dE}}{{L}}
Where:
: Charge of the ion.
: Elementary charge.
: Gas number density.
: Boltzmann constant.
: Temperature.
: Reduced mass of the ion-gas pair.
: Drift time.
: Electric field strength.
: Drift tube length.
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2. Theoretical Approach (Trajectory Method)
For sodiated or multiply charged ions:
Generate 3D structures of the ions using computational methods like density functional theory (DFT).
Simulate ion-neutral interactions using programs like MOBCAL or IMoS to estimate CCS based on ion dynamics.
Account for the effects of sodium addition or multiple charges on the ion's structure and interaction with drift gas.
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Key Considerations:
Multiply Charged Ions: CCS typically decreases with increasing charge due to compaction from Coulombic interactions.
Sodiated Adduct Ions: The CCS may increase slightly due to the larger ionic radius of sodium.
Use accurate experimental conditions and computational models to ensure precision in CCS calculations.
Let me know if you need specific software recommendations or detailed examples!
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Hello everyone! Currently, I am preparing RNA samples from a minimal material. I would like to use GlycoBlue to increase the yield and make it easier to work with the pellet. Do you know if the presence of the glycoblue could affect the downstream application, which includes mass spectrometry?
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GlycoBlue does not significantly affect mass spectrometry with RNA samples as it is primarily an inert glycogen-based co-precipitant used to enhance RNA recovery. However, its dye component might introduce minor background signals in highly sensitive analyses. To avoid potential interference, ensure thorough washing of RNA pellets. For critical applications, alternative co-precipitants like pure glycogen can be used.
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Dear all,
I have been working on the localization of phosphosites on my protein of interest using a variety of approaches (PhosTag SDS-PAGE, S-to-A mutations etc.) and, among others, I submitted excised CBB-stained SDS-PAGE gel bands to our MS core.
After tryptic digestion the core identified a single phosphosite in the LSAASSASSLASAGSAEGVGGAPTPK peptide (which is where we expected it to be) and shared the attached MS2 spectra comparing the putative phosphopeptide fragment pattern (top) with the non-phosphorylated one (bottom, in MS1 you can see the two +2 peaks 40 Da apart). MaxQuant localizes the phospho on a serine among the several ones present in this stretch, roughly with the same occupancy for each site (which is fine).
My question is about the masses of the fragments observed. I understand that there is no clean +80 shift anywhere, but MaxQuant annotates (unfortunately I don't have a high-res annotated spectrum right now) a series of ys (y13, y14, y15, y16, the peaks from 1109 to 1338) as 'starred', which I suppose means that they are carrying the PTM. All these seem to have a water loss shift (-18) and I understand that sometimes we observe a P+H2O loss (-98), but is there any literature you can refer me to regarding phosphoserine water losses and/or phosphopeptide scoring when a clean-cut 80-Da shift is not observed? In other words, when describing these result, should I simply say that the water losses are indicative of the presence of a +P in that region, especially since there is no corresponding '+18' peak (which in our case would be the phospho +98, lost during ionization, I guess)?
Here's the MaxQuant scoring, in case you're curious, and thank you so much to all of you who will be kind enough to weigh in!
LS(0.133)AAS(0.133)S(0.133)AS(0.133)S(0.133)LAS(0.133)AGS(0.134)AEGVGGAPT(0.068)PK
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Perfect, thank you so much again for the help and the insights!
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Hello,
I do lots of untargeted LC/MS analysis for structural elucidation of plant extracts. In the negative mode, I found uncommon adduct [M-H+114]- for some deprotonated ions [M-H]-. I have no TFA in the mobile phase (water with formic acid and acetonitrile). I noticed two fragments of m/z 113 and 69. Does anyone know or guide what the source of such an adduct (and fragments) comes from?
Thank you
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The [M-H+114]⁻ adduct you observed in negative mode LC/MS could be due to an uncommon contamination or reagent interaction. Although TFA is not present, the 114 Da addition might be related to other substances or reagents present in your system (e.g., a plasticizer or solvent impurity). The fragment ions at m/z 113 and 69 suggest a specific structure breaking down in a predictable way. It's essential to check for possible contaminants in your solvents, equipment, or even the plant extract itself. You could also run a blank to see if the adduct is present without the sample.
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I have a Shimadzu LC coupled to a Sciex Qtrap 5500 which can be controlled using Analyst 1.5.1. Due to a recent power outage, I am unable to activate my hardware profile (QTRAP 5500 failed to initialize). I suspect it to be a communication error. I can ping my LC just fine. I have tried changing the LAN cable to the MS and also checked the PCIe ports on the computer to see if they are functional. I am unable to ping the MS. Does anyone have any suggestions regarding this issue. We also a PM just before the power outage and everything was working well and there were no issues. Tried power cycling too after doing the changes
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We had today the same problem, the issue was that the air compressor was off.
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  • We have performed an MS method analysing pheophytin in plants based on the method in this paper (Kahn 2002; 10.1016/s0003-2697(02)00046-5) with different enrichment of 15N isotope of nitrogen. I'm wanting to extract the relative abundance values of the different isotopomer peaks to measure shift in 15N and then eventually measure levels of N fixation in the plants. I can see a really nice shift based on the different inputs in our pilot experiment, which we looked at each raw file manually to extract relative abundance values. Is there a way to automate this analysis (in QuantBrowser, or Processing Setup) within Xcalibur to analyse a large number of files and extract these values without having to look at them one by one? Our next experiments will be much larger and we want to try and cut down on the analysis time
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Export the data as xml or csv format into a spreadsheet, then write a simple formula to copy the specific columns of data.
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I am now developing a python module for ms2 database searching, would like to realize a function that similar to what Xcalibur did, choose multiple mass spectra and get an averaged spectra. But how this realized and what is the process behind. Tried linear interpolation and a method that firstly do peak picking followed by peak alignment, but none of them can produce the results similar to Xcalibur, does anyone have some clue?
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Thanks for sharing, indeed, for a low mass resolution spectrum is simple, usually these masses are rounded and collected by centroid mode so that easy to align it among multiple spectra. However, as in most of the cases people tend to use high resolution mass spectrometer and store them in profile mode, how to align the profile data currently is challenging, I saw Xcalibur the software did a very good job, that why I raised this question. But still, thanks a lot, probably an easy way to solve my problem is just to centroid my data and then align it.
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I want to do an analysis of my TurboID data. TurboID is a proximity ligation assay which utilizes biotin to pull endogenous proteins. Mass spectrometry is used to recognize the proteins pulled down. The assay pulls down thousands of proteins, I want to recognize the proteins of significance using unique peptides and molecular weight.
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Hi Asra,
I have used Maxquant to anlyse TurboID data (see pdf attached).
Best,
Murat
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Was anybody able to import mzML files containing MS2 data to Thermo Compound Discoverer 3.3 ?
I can import mzML with MS1 scans, but Compound Discoverer seems not to read/understand/import the ddMS2 scans.
Thanks !
Thierry
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Hi Thierry,
Could you let me know from which mass spectrometer were the raw files acquired? It might be vendor issue. I have tried importing mzml files from sciex mass spectrometer but CD was not able to read them.
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Hi Everyone,
I am planning to develop an LC-MS/MS method to separate four different types of Cannabidiol (CBD). I am encountering an issue where they all have the same precursor and daughter ions.
I intend to achieve separation chromatographically. I initially attempted to separate them using a C18 column with a mobile phase consisting of ACN and water, both containing 0.1% formic acid, but this approach did not succeed.
Does anyone have any recommendations on how I can improve the separation?
Thank you.
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How to calculate Decision limit (CCα) and Detection capability (CCβ) from LOD LOQ data. is there any free software?
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Hi there! I´ve used DETARCHI software which is indeed ver easy to use in the calculation of CCA and CCB.
You may contact the department of Chemistry from the University of Burgos, Spain to get the software.
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Dear all,
After protein extraction with a RIPA buffer (50 mM Tris pH 7.5, 150 mM NaCl, 1% NP-40, 1% Na-deoxycholate, 0,1% SDS, 1mM EDTA +PIC), I wanted to quantify the yieild by Bradford assay. The RIPA I used was transparent and no precipitates were visible.
When I added the RIPA to the Bradford buffer (for the blank) a weird blue precipitate was formed in the tube, the color and the apparence makes me think those are not proteins.
Do you know what could have precipitate? I used this RIPA once already and I didn't have this problem.
Do you think I could still use the extracted proteins for Mass Spectrometry?
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Hello Giulia,
I too had thought the same. Maybe you are right. The shelf life of RIPA lysis buffer is 1 month when stored at 4 deg C.
Best.
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Hello,
So, I am analyzing serum proteomics with MS from autism mouse models and trying to compare that to human serum data. So its:
Differentially expressed proteins in human serum vs. differentially expressed proteins in mouse model serum
I already got the data. The experiment is already done. No time to re-do any experiment. Is there a way, a tool, to translate the mouse protein data into a human data? Considering the analogous proteins and what not? I'm working with UniProt accession numbers...
If there is like a tool where you drag in the uniprot accession numbers and converts it into its human counterpart protein, or a paper that describes such a method, it would be of great help! Almost out of my depth here...
Thanks,
Andrew
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Isoforms most likely. You also see it when you go from protein to gene or vice versa. You also have the complication of different species.
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Dear all,
I am writing to explain my problem and would greatly appreciate any small hints that might help alleviate my desperation. I am relatively new to proteomics, and our laboratory has an old mass spectrometer, the Bruker HCT series with an ion trap. The raw data I receive from this system is not recognized by MaxQuant. I contacted Bruker support, but they were unable to resolve my issue. I have tried converting the raw data using MsConvert, but there has been no improvement in data evaluation.
I would be grateful for any insights on whether this issue can be resolved by developing a new method on our mass spectrometer, or if data generated by such an older system is simply not compatible with software like MaxQuant. I have observed that data generated by newer systems, such as the timsTOF, produce TDF files that are recognized by MaxQuant.
Your assistance would be highly appreciated.
Best regards, Amir
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Hi Amir,
I think I know the issue with your data because am currently at the same stage of analysis. I used to get the same error when I run my samples which were converted to MZXML formate using MSConvert tool in maxquant. the thing I discovered that Maxquant doesn't recognize any MZXML files except the ones created by OpenMS (TOPPAS) tool which have a specific option to make it recognizable by maxquant ''Force_MaxQuant_compatibility''.
To make it easier please follow step by step;
1) open Galaxy Europe (a free online tool that provides graphical access to multiple genomic and proteomic tools as OpenMS)using the link ------https://usegalaxy.eu/
2) create an account
3) search for FileConverter tool from the toolbars on the left of the page, and click on it
4) Then load the files that you wish to convert under input files to convert, (note you can load all the files at once)
5) then, specify the output type formate to mzxml, and under advance options set yes option to [mzXML output only] Make sure that MaxQuant can read the mzXML and set the msManufacturer to 'Thermo Scientific'
6) and then click run tool , it will take few mins and your desired converted files will appear on the right bar on the page, then you can download the converted files one by one.
one more hint; when setting the parameters on maxqaunt keep the instrument as orbitrap and make sure to run the analysis using a PC with a high processor and space or cloud space as the quanting can take upto days of continuous run
and that's all. all the best :)
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I am currently using API4000 from SCIEX and I have a problem with some unknown contamination.
I can see some white powder surrounding the orifice of the curtain plate and some unknown powdery stuff on the inner surface of ion source housing.
We are suspecting that the powder / contamination is from the water because the mobile phase filter in the water mobile phase is turning yellow pretty quickly. But we've been using the same HPLC grade water for years, and it's our first time having this issue.
Can anyone please tell me what the possible causes are?
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Dirk Siekmeier Have you tried using deionized water? I always thought HPLC grade water is cleaner than distilled water.. Maybe I should try using distilled water!
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Should I include them all in a table or should I exclude them for publication purpose
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You can try search and match those compounds in Adam's Database, based on the RI, KI value. I think, this will help you to clarify.
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WHICH TECHNIQ (MASS SPECTROMETRY AND ËLECTRON IMPACT IONIZATION"IS BETTER TO ANALYZE H2 IN EXHAUST GAS
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Comparison and Recommendation: For Analyzing H₂ in Exhaust Gas:
Electron Impact Ionization (EI): When used with mass spectrometry, EI offers detailed and sensitive analysis of H₂ due to its consistent ionization properties. This makes it particularly effective for detecting and quantifying hydrogen specifically.
Mass Spectrometry (MS): As a standalone technique, MS is highly effective for analyzing various gases in exhaust emissions, including hydrogen. When paired with appropriate ionization methods like EI, it becomes a powerful tool for comprehensive exhaust gas analysis.
Recommendation:
Mass Spectrometry with Electron Impact Ionization (EI) is the superior choice for analyzing H₂ in exhaust gas. This combination utilizes the high sensitivity and specific ionization characteristics of EI along with the versatility and precision of MS, making it ideal for detecting and quantifying hydrogen in complex gas mixtures like exhaust emissions.
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I have been using a plain gray SUPELCO SPME fiber for direct immersion in 1% KOH, and in one recent occasion, I left samples running (around 10), and I came back to a broken fiber. I tried to change the fiber for a pdms/dvb fiber, but it got destroyed as well. Is it the liquid matrix? Is it the x,y,z location of the auto sampler arm? What could it be? I ran more than 20 samples in direct immersion before, and I haven't experienced any issue, until now :(
Keywords: GC/MS, SPME, autosampler, bent fiber
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I think you already answered the main possibility. Coordinates of the autosampler must be confirmed as well as the septa and liner used should also be checked carefully. Everything in the sample introduction configuration must be fully compatible and properly used. Secondly, storing the SPME arrow and holder with residual KOH without rinsing well may also present some clogging or corrosive contaminant in SPME which may lead to the plunger malfunctioning.
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I am currently working on a project that requires the isolation of light chain from reduced IgG for bottam up proteomics-Mass spectrometry. Kindly provide insights or recommendations. Thanks!
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As mentioned above by Dr. Albert Lee, you can use protein A or protein G to remove heavy chain. You can also use cation exchange chromatography to separated light chain from heavy chain, especially when the amount of the light chains you need is small since you can use an high resolution analytical cation exchange chromatography column.
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currently conducting a study trying to figure out the secondary metabolites from bacteria.
Question #1: does it make sense if our flow goes from: extraction > TLC > SEC > TLC > antibiotic susceptibility test > MS to identify the specific metabolite.
we lack time and would like to seek an alternative for SEC (it takes 7-14 days here in our partner lab).
Question #2: is Gravity Column Chromatography a decent alternative for SEC?
thank you for all your help 🙏
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For SEC (size exclusion chromatography), can you use Sephadex LH-20? This can be run in an open column (gravity column).
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Due to factors outside of my control, peptides in my ESI-MS data have been ionised normally by protons ([M+2H], [M+3H]...) but also by sodium ([M+2Na], [M+3Na]...).
Is there a way to configure MaxQuant's andromeda search engine to look for the sodium-ionised peptides as well?
Thanks!
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James M Fulcher Thanks for your answer! I agree it is probably not trivial, because you cannot assume that *all* ionisations are with sodium rather than a proton, so it sort of explodes combinatorically at the MS2 level.
Unfortunately, I cannot rerun the samples, because I am trying to apply a new analysis pipeline to existing data on PRIDE, and I have found this phenomenon in other researchers' published data.
I have tried setting up sodiation as a PTM on MaxQuant, and I think it could work, but it increases the analysis time from minutes per sample to days per sample, so might be useful for a proof-of-concept, but if anyone has suggestions for a better solution – or knows of a way to this in MaxQuant already – I would love to hear them!
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I have used CSII to phosphorylate HP1a, in vitro. Now, to test this phosphorylation, I have options such as using an anti-serine phospho antibody or mass spectrometry.
Has anyone ever tested an anti-serine phospho antibody western blot that worked for them?
Any recommendations and catalog numbers would be helpful.
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If you are using purified proteins, the simplest method (if you can find a lab that has the necessary equipment) to detect phosphorylation would be intact protein mass spectrometry, either by electrospray or MALDI. Those methods would easily distinguish the mass change due to addition of phosphate. No antibodies needed.
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I am looking suitable standard lipid for quantifying phosphatidylethanolamine (PE) from serum samples. As you may be aware, standard lipids, such as those derived from different sources (Soy, egg, brain etc), can have variations in their double bond positions. Could you please provide insights or recommendations on how to choose the most suitable standard lipid for our specific application?
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Hi Keller, Thanks for your reply!!
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For those working in the field of Mass Spectrometry, Chromatography and allied topics, and based in NY state, we are launching a new local discussion group !
Feel free to sign up as member to be part of it.
We will organize in-person events (main area: Buffalo, Syracuse, Ithaca, Corning, Rochester) and virtual meetings - which anybody can attend !
Soon to be listed officially among other local discussion groups on the American Society for Mass Spectrometry (ASMS) website.
Thierry
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ahah hello All !
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I tried to isolate pr-FMN from UbiD like enzyme and verify it via UPLC and Mass spectrometry. The results obtained from MS shows detection of right mass but UPLC spectrum tell another story. How can I identify compound just with mass if it’s not prFMN?
your guidance will be highly appreciated.
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UPLC spectrum?... Did you mean UPLC chromatogram or LC-UV spectrum/spectral view?
If you mean chromatogram and resulting different retention times with the same masses, these may be the isomeric variants of the same molecules. This can be clarified by the use of a high-resolution power of the mass spec. High-resolution m/z values (say 40.000 and above FWHMs) can confirm if these are probably the isomeric species.
If you are meaning UV spectral shift differences (distinct UV max absorption wavelengths) but the same masses, probably they are different molecules. You can use the abovementioned second option if you did not apply before.
Alternatively MS/MS and MS to the n experiments would be more beneficial to discriminate the molecules. EAD, CID, HCD, UVPD, and ETD are the orthogonal approaches that can also be used for molecular structure elucidation.
Good luck,
İEA
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Dear colleagues,
We have recently optimized a TDS-GC-MS method for VOCs (SVOCs) analysis. (Gerstel + Agilent).
A high-temperature column with mid-polarity is chosen for a better resolution (similar to DB-624ms but with a higher operating temperature of 300/320 °C).
Although the desired separation is achieved with a programmed-temperature method (final temperature: 290 °C), some analytes with low boiling points, such as dichloromethane, benzene, and heptane, show unacceptable intensity variation. (The RSD of three replicas can be as high as 30%). On the other hand, compounds with higher boiling points (such as naphthalene and pentadecane) are more stable. (RSD < 5%)
We further lower the final temperature of the method (from 280 °C to 260 °C), and the repeatability of benzene and heptane is much better (RSD < 5%), while the dichloromethane is still fluctuating (RSD ~ 15%).
Any explanation for this phenomenon?
p.s. the column pressure can be very high under high-temperature
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Hey there Junlong Huang,
It's great to hear about your progress with the TDS-GC-MS method for VOCs analysis! Now, regarding your question about the final oven temperature and its influence on the repeatability of low boiling point analytes, let's dive into it.
The fluctuations in intensity you're observing, particularly with dichloromethane, benzene, and heptane, can indeed be puzzling. The change in final oven temperature seems to have a significant impact on the stability of these compounds, with lower temperatures showing better repeatability for benzene and heptane but not so much for dichloromethane.
One potential explanation for this could be the volatility and thermal stability of the compounds. Lower boiling point analytes like dichloromethane are more sensitive to temperature changes, and even a slight variation in final oven temperature can lead to fluctuations in their intensity. On the other hand, compounds with higher boiling points like naphthalene and pentadecane are less affected by these temperature changes, hence the more stable RSD.
Additionally, considering the column pressure under high-temperature conditions is crucial. High pressures can exacerbate the volatility of low boiling point analytes, leading to increased intensity variation.
In summary, the interplay between compound volatility, thermal stability, and column pressure under high-temperature conditions likely contributes to the observed phenomenon. Fine-tuning the method parameters, such as oven temperature and column pressure, can potentially mitigate these fluctuations and improve repeatability.
Hope this sheds some light on the issue! Let me know if you Junlong Huang need further clarification or assistance.
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Hello everyone,
I'm searching for beginner-friendly books to help me navigate the realm of protein mass spectrometry. Do you have any recommendations?
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You can start with Wilson and Walker proteomics chapter. It is very basic and easy to understand
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Could this be due to an error in Mass Spec calibration or data analysis? I have 2 technical repeats that are fine, but the 3rd repeat is far away in the PCA plot and clusters with replicates of a different sample.
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It is always better to include an internal standard (deuterated isotopes or any analog compound) to uncover any system or operator-related bias...
If you don't have any IS in your experiment, an alternative way to do this is tracking the intensity (and RT) of an inherently available compound (consider this approach as visualization of housekeeping proteins as normalization targets in western blot analysis).
If the system is Orbitrap, EASY-IC calibrant performance may also indicate some hints. A baffled system for ESI fluidics infusing the leucine enkephalin in the Waters system may also be beneficial...
shifted position for a sample in PCA is more common for biological replicates but not for technical replicates. If the instrument performance is stable during analysis, it is probably caused by either sample prep or autosample operation failure.
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Hi All,
This is a question regarding calculation of m/z values of fragment ions from peptide/proteins in mass spectrometry analysis:
1. Does anyone have a recommended tool for calculating m/z values of fragment ions from peptides (such as: input=peptide sequence, output= all y and b-ions, with charge states +1 and +2, etc)?
2. I have previously been using the Proteomics Toolkit on the server: https://db.systemsbiology.net/
This tool is now terminated.
Instead, I have now used the MS/MS fragmentation calculator tool on the server https://proteomicsresource.washington.edu/protocols06/.
However, the two tools do not provide the same m/z values for the same peptide!?
Please see the list below for a direct comparison of the values obtained with the two tools:
Example:
When asking for fragmentation of the peptide with sequence:
GYSEKCCLTGCTKEELSIACLPYIDF
, I get the following results:
Tool 1, Proteomics toolkit calculations (ave mass):
Precursor (M): 3115.34528
Precursor (M+H)+: 3116.35256
Precursor (M+2H)2+: 1558.7
Precursor (M+3H)3+: 1039.45573
Precursor (M+4H)4+: 779.84363
Example of a few selected fragment ions:
Y17(+2): 1008.45486
Y16(+2): 979.94412
Y11(+2): 656.32562
Tool 2, MS/MS fragmentation calculator (ave mass):
Precursor (M): 3115.727440
Precursor (M+H)+:3116.734716
Precursor (M+2H)2+:1558.870996
Precursor (M+3H)3+:1039.583090
Precursor (M+4H)4+:779.939136
Example of a few selected fragment ions:
Y17(+2): 1009.203266
Y16(+2): 980.677606
Y11(+2): 656.804096
As you can see, the two tools do not provide the same values? Which tool provides the correct m/z values and what is going on? :-)
Thank you for your help!
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Hi,
Why not look at monoisotopic mass?
The difference in masses obtained can be due to the way the elemental masses are set in the algorithm of the calculator: a difference in digits/rounding can result in large differences in peptide masses, let alone that of complete proteins..!
There is no 'correct' answer, I guess, it's more about the accuracy taken into consideration.
Hope this helps.
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I am using Inficon Transpector XPR3 and fabguard explorer software to analyze gases in our vacuum system. I am facing an issue in exporting the RUN data in other units. I can see that I can switch between different units such as RAW, PP, amu, etc. in the software. I am specifically interested in exporting my data in PP unit. When I select PP unit in the RUN window and then exporting data by clicking RUN>Export>selected mass bins, I ended up in exporting data only in RAW unit. I am not able to export the data in PP unit.
Anybody knows how to export the RUN data in PP unit in FabGuard Explorer?
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INFICON FabGuard Explorer Operating Manual (manualmachine.com)
This link may be helpful foor you, I have never used this.
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I will be performing an IP using my desired antibody. What should be the concentration of the proteins (eluted from the beads) that will be used for LC-MS/MS ? The experiment will be done on HEK293T cells.
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No one can answer this question as it depends entirely on the LC-MS METHOD used (conditions, column, settings etc). Using an LC-MS/MS system is not the same as using a basic lab instrument such as a spectrophotometer. Please contact an experienced LC-MS chromatographer at your institution (or outside lab) who can assist you in the preparation of your sample(s) and also the development of a selective method of analysis. Once the method has been established and a loading study run, then you will know what concentration and volume to use for your analysis. This process will allow you to obtain better quality data for analysis.
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I recently conducted a liquid chromatography-mass spectrometry (LC-MS) analysis of my protein sample, which resulted in the identification of over 300 proteins. I need assistance in identifying any novel proteins within this dataset. Can someone guide me through the necessary steps and offer insights on how to interpret the results?
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Hello, I am proteomics researcher.
we got stuck in problem detecting immunopeptidome HLA class peptides.
After, enriching peptides, we detect 150 ng/ul concentration of peptide using nanodrop (protein A 280 mode).
and about 750ng of peptides were injected to mass spectrometer. (our mass spectrometer is tims-tof, so if we inject 200ng of HeLa peptide, 40000 peptides can be detected.)
However, 100 peptides were detected in our HLA sample. Furthermore, intensity of peptides signal is low...
why is a large amount of peptides detected in the nanodrops although there seems to be a small amount of peptides in mass spectrometry data?
I heard that A 280 mode in nanodrop detect peptide concentration by measuring tryptophan or tyrosine.
is it possible there are many free tryptophan and tyrosine in the sample, so it make nanodrop conecntration high but not be detected in mass spectrometer?
If you have any idea, please let me know
thank you very much
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Thank you for your kind reply.
I will try searching HLA peptide atlas.
Best regards
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Hello everyone! Throughout my master's thesis and Ph.D. studies, I have encountered difficulties in achieving optimal clean-up of the UHPLC-ESI-MS/MS system.
My research focus lies in the analysis of peptides derived from plasma samples, and despite implementing an extensive pretreatment procedure aimed at eliminating proteins, particularly albumin, the chromatographic system consistently exhibits issues such as increased noise in the chromatogram and elevated column backpressure. Even the use of a pre-column has not provided a complete resolution to these challenges.
Notably, these problems seem to intensify when my colleagues, particularly those working in the metabolomic field, use the instrument following my experiments. Despite employing a thorough cleaning protocol involving a prolonged gradient elution (lasting approximately 1.5 hours) to ensure the removal of all potential samples residues from the system, the results remain the same.
I would like to know if you have come up with the same problems and if you ahve any insights on potential strategies to overcome these persistent issues. Whether it involves refining the pretreatment procedure, exploring alternative stationary phases, optimizing the cleaning protocol of the system, or considering additional precautions for shared instrument use.
Looking forward to hearing your experiences!
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Hello Mariano,
It is pretty common to have carry-over analyzing plasma/serum samples. Someone recommended me the use of Trifluoroethanol to wash out all retained peptides. Basically you just use it as a sample and inject 1 or 2ul direct onto the column with a relative short gradient. It does not damage the column in my experience, so maybe you can give it a try in the future.
Good luck!
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Hello. We understand that a volcano plot is a graphical representation of differential values (proteins or genes), and it requires two parameters: fold change and p-value. However, for IP-MS (immunoprecipitation-mass spectrometry) data, there are many proteins identified in the IP (immunoprecipitation group) with their intensity, but these proteins are not detected in the IgG (control group)(the data is blank). This means that we cannot calculate the p-value and fold change for these "present(IP) --- absent(IgG)" proteins, and therefore, we cannot plot them on a volcano plot. However, in many articles, we see that these proteins are successfully plotted on a volcano plot. How did they accomplish this? Are there any data fitting methods available to assist in drawing? need imputation? but is it reflect the real interaction degree?
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Albert Lee : the issue with doing this is it makes the fold changes entirely arbitrary. Imagine I have a protein I detect in my test samples at "arbitrary value 10" but do not detect in my control samples at all.
If I call the ctrl value 0.5, then 0.5 vs 10.5 = 20 fold increase.
If I call the ctrl value 0.1, then 0.1 vs 10.1 = 100 fold increase.
If I call the ctrl value 0.0001, then 0.0001 vs 10.0001 = 100,000 fold increase.
In reality, the increase is effectively "infinite fold", but what this is really highlighting is that fold changes are not an appropriate metric here.
A lot (most) of statistical analysis is predicated on the measurement of change in values, not "present/absent" scenarios.
For disease biomarkers, for example, something that is present/absent is of use as a diagnostic biomarker, but not as a monitoring biomarker: you can say "if you see this marker at all, you have the disease", but you cannot really use it to track therapeutic efficacy, because all values of this marker other than "N/A" are indicative of disease.
For monitoring biomarkers you really want "healthy" and "diseased" values such that you can track the shift from one to the other.
David Genisys: I agree with Jochen Wilhelm , and would not plot my data in this manner.
A lot will depend on the kind of reviewers you get, and the type of paper you're trying to produce, but it would be more appropriate to note that these markers are entirely absent in one group, and then to comment on the robustness of their detection in the other. You wouldn't run stats necessarily, because as noted, stats are horrible for yes/no markers, but you could use the combination of presence/absence and actual level of the former to make inferences as to biological effect. If a marker goes from "not detected" to "detected but barely", then it might be indicative of dysregulated, aberrant expression behaviour, or perhaps stochastic low-level damage. Interesting, but perhaps not of biological import or diagnostic utility. If instead if goes from "not detected" to "readily detected, at high levels", then it's probably very useful as a diagnostic biomarker, and also indicative of some active biological process, be it widespread damage/release, or active expression of novel targets.
In either case you can make biological inferences without resorting to making up numbers so you can stick them on a volcano plot (and to be honest, if you get the kind of reviewers that demand volcano plots, you can always use the trick Albert suggests).
Volcano plots are primarily a way to take BIG DATA and present it in a manner that allows you to highlight the most interesting targets that have changed between groups: if you have whole swathes of genes that are instead present/absent, then those could be presented as a table, perhaps sorted by GO terms or something (if it looks like there are shared ontological categories you could use to infer underlying biology).
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Hi,
what is the maximum number of serum proteins that can be identified by using ultra-performance liquid chromatography-mass spectrometry (UPLC-MS) without nano liquid chromatography (nano LC). Please give the reference.
Thanks!!
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For this you can see some available protein databases and tandem -LCMS data from various mass spectrometry sites.
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What is the best way to clean the electrophoresis apparatus in order to proceed with mass spectrometry?
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Hi Constanza,
Throughout the electrophoresis steps, please use powder free gloves to prevent contamination from skin keratins. It is also important to dedicate apparatus for electrophoresis and not to use any surfaces used for Western blots. Otherwise, you will encounter eg., casein and BSA contamination arising from blocking of membranes during Western blots.
The best way to clean any glass apparatus to remove background proteins is the following procedure: this is the same procedure our proteomics laboratory at MSKCC used, for high sensitivity sequencing of peptides:
1: RInse glassware with 80% acetic acid (v/v)
2: Follow 1 above with MQ filtered water
3. Follow 2 with 100% methanol
4: Follow 3 with MQ filtered water.
This protocol of stringent washes can completely remove any protein/peptide contamination from your elelctrophoresis apparatus. Please use a fume hood for this cleaning experiment. Also, make sure your electrophoresis containers are glass eg;, pyrex glass containers that can be used for stainng and washing of the gels.
The plastic containers used for electrophoresis can be rinsed with dilute methanol and water. You can omit the acetic acid for these plastic containers.
Good luck!
Hediye.
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Nuclear Insoluble Protein Immunoprecipitation
Hi all,
I am working on a mammalian protein that is found in the nucleus and I would like to Immunoprecipitate it (IP) and send it for mass spectrometry analysis in order to determine its interaction-partners.
I used several protocols for extraction, but long story short, the insoluble nuclear fraction is salt resistant and not so much is known about those proteins. Theoretically this fraction contains nuclear architecture proteins, nucleolar proteins, as well as some RNPs and a few chromatin proteins. From what I found, the easiest way to work with these proteins is to solubilize them in a buffer containing high concentration of detergent (8M urea, Laemmli loading buffer, high-SDS protein extraction buffer...). However, these strong denaturing conditions are bad for immunoprecipitation.
Concerning IP: my control is a cell line that is knocked out for this protein. When I try to IP it, everything looks correct on my blot. However, if I perform a Ponceau staining after the transfer step, I can see that I IP a lot of proteins even in my KO. I actually have a smear of proteins in both my KO and non-KO conditions (endogenous and tagged-protein), showing that the IP is absolutely not specific.
But it is even worse than just an aspecific antibody issue. I tried to IP the native protein, the tagged version of it, I used magnetic beads, Protein A/G PLUS-Agarose beads, pre-clearing, different types of buffers (including CHAPS-containing buffer, that is used to partially resolubilize membrane proteins) but I cannot make it work. It is really not about any kind of aspecificity.
My guess is that these proteins are so insoluble that they form clumps together, and they will bind to anything you put in the tube, not in a specific way at all. The problem is that to solubilize them, I would have to use detergents, that would then disrupt protein-protein interactions. People in my lab do not have much knowledge about similar samples, so I am quite lost for a while about that. Anyone has worked with similar proteins or know some tips that could help me? I am not even sure that it is something that can be achieved.
Thank you in advance for your response!
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Hi
Gregory Dressler
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I want to ask, after adding 1% SDS buffer, is a sonication step needed, since in this case DNA is not needed?
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What is the difference between single valid assignment and multiple assignment in mass spectrometry?
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There are multiple answers to this depending on the application. The first relates to protein ID. If you have sequenced (via tandem MS) more than one peptide from the same protein, that is multiple assignments. The second relates to charge state at the MS-level. If you have multiple charge states the peaks corresponding to more than one charge state constitue multiple assignments (i.e., a series of charge state peaks). The third relates to the isotopic series. You can use the heights of the isotopic pattern to create a vector that can be compared to the predicted isotopic vector of an elemental composition using isotopic vector angle analysis.
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We are planning to use an q-exactive mass spectrometer for top-down proteomics . There is an HCD collision cell in mass spectrometry. How well does q-exactive's top-down proteomics work?
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The Thermo Scientific Q Exactive mass spectrometer is a popular instrument for proteomics research, but it is primarily associated with bottom-up proteomics, where proteins are digested into peptides before analysis. While it is possible to use the Q Exactive for top-down proteomics, it may not be as effective as other specialized instruments for this approach.
Top-down proteomics involves analyzing intact proteins without prior digestion into peptides. This approach can provide valuable information about protein isoforms, post-translational modifications, and protein complexes. However, it comes with its own set of challenges, as intact proteins are larger and more complex than peptides.
Here are some factors to consider regarding the effectiveness of the Q Exactive for top-down proteomics:
  1. Resolution: The Q Exactive series offers high-resolution mass spectrometry, which is advantageous for resolving intact protein ions. However, specialized top-down instruments may offer even higher resolution, which can be critical for analyzing complex protein mixtures.
  2. Mass Range: The Q Exactive has a broad mass range, which can accommodate intact proteins. However, for very large proteins or protein complexes, other instruments with extended mass ranges might be more suitable.
  3. Fragmentation: Fragmentation of intact proteins in top-down proteomics is necessary to identify and characterize the protein's primary sequence and modifications. While the Q Exactive can perform fragmentation, other instruments designed for top-down proteomics may offer more advanced fragmentation techniques and options.
  4. Data Analysis: Top-down proteomics generates complex data, and specialized software tools are often used for data analysis. While you can process top-down data on the Q Exactive, dedicated top-down proteomics platforms may offer more comprehensive analysis capabilities.
  5. Sample Preparation: Sample preparation for top-down proteomics is crucial and can be more challenging than for bottom-up approaches. Ensuring efficient protein extraction, purification, and intact protein preservation is essential.
In summary, the Thermo Scientific Q Exactive can be used for top-down proteomics, and it offers high-resolution mass spectrometry capabilities that are beneficial for intact protein analysis. However, the field of top-down proteomics has advanced with the development of specialized instruments and methods, such as FT-ICR (Fourier-transform ion cyclotron resonance) and Orbitrap instruments. Researchers often choose these specialized platforms when focusing on top-down proteomics due to their improved performance and tailored features. Therefore, the choice of instrument for top-down proteomics depends on the specific research goals and the resources available to the researcher.
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what is the best method to extract proteins from serum and tissue sample?
what is the best method to identify the signature protein/peptide between serum and tissue samples by using mass spectrometry?
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Hi Eef Dirksen,
Thanks for your comment.
I have some serum and tissue samples from patients with a certain disease, and I want to identify signature proteins or peptides that can differentiate them from healthy controls. I am wondering what is the best method to extract and analyze (top down or bottom up) these biomarkers.We have a Q-Exactive mass spectrometer for this experiment. how to handle the data analysis and interpretation? Is there any specific software or tools to process and visualize the results? 
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I am planning to perform C13 MFA, and I was wondering how I can weigh the labeled glucose and add it to the media while maintaining sterility. I didn't find any protocol specifically explain this part.
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Assuming that the labeled glucose powder is not sterile, you have 3 options.
1. Prepare a concentrated stock solution of the labeled glucose and pass it through a sterile syringe filter into a sterile container.
2. Prepare the medium from powder, including the labeled glucose powder, and then sterilize it in the usual way.
3. Add the non-sterile labeled glucose as powder or stock solution directly to sterile medium, then re-sterilize the medium by membrane filtration.
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I am looking for less cost igG extraction method from human serum for mass spectrometry applications. i used Melon Gel IgG Spin Purification Kit but it is very expensive. Please suggest me any alternative method.
Thanks!
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How about protein A or G resins...The melon gel works as flow-through mode of purification, protein A is bind & elute mode (orthogonal strategies). Without knowing about a cost comparison, this application works well and recovery would be satisfying. If you investigate the IgG CDR domains (fab) nsmol kit is ready to use and a promising tool as a front-end approach.
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I need to do Mass spectrometry of my bovine intestine sample for analyzing proteome of host and microbial specific proteins and peptides.
I m unable to figure out whether software like maxquant can arrange by raw MS data based on their origin species. For ex- If I have GABÀ, will i know if its produced by host or the bacteria.
Can we do this kind of differentiation or I have to run MS for microbiome and host separately.
Kindly comment if anyone have an idea or can recommend any software that can perform this operation after obtaining raw MS data
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Hi Himani,
If you know which organisms are included in your samples you can work with a joined database fused from downloaded fasta format databases (i.e. from Uniprot) of the respective organisms.
With Maxquant you can than look at the number of unique/razor peptides to check from which organisms the proteins are more likely.
Best,
Murat
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Hey everyone,
I’m relatively new to the field of mass spectrometry and proteomics and need some advice. I’m trying to run a recombinant protein on our mass spec. It should be a really straightforward protocol: aliquot out the protein and resuspend in buffer, reduce, alkylate, digest in solution, desalt, dry, resuspend in running solution, and run on the mass spec. But somehow, in the one step that I could possibly have loss - the desalting step - I get around 80% loss. The kit I use is made for the amount of protein I aliquot (20-50ug) so I have no idea why I’m losing so much.
If you guys have any advice for cleaning up recombinant protein digest specifically, I’d be very grateful. Thank you!
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Hi Dina,
What is the purpose of the analysis your performing? If you'd like to get an idea of the yield of a protein purification, I don't think you would need a protein digestion protocol; you could consider running LC-UV instead.
How did you determine the yield of the individual steps of your protocol?
And how are you desalting after digesting?
What is your 'running solution'?
Thanks in advance for providing some additional context and information!
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Dear all,
I'm working on the finer details of my experimental design, and have some questions regarding bridging channels for TMT based experiments.
I have two conditions to test, across nine biological replicates, in order to run as one 18-plex TMT-pro experiment.
I am aware of the use of one or more bridging channels being used with pooled samples to combine multiple TMT mixtures, however a colleague has mentioned that a bridging channel should also be considered for normalisation if only one set is used.
Does anyone have any experience using a bridging channel for normalisation in a single mixture? Is it worth sacrificing one or more biological replicates for?
I will be using MSstatsTMT for normalisation and summarisation.
Sam
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As an update to this discussion, I have decided to reduce my sample size and incorporate a pooled reference channel. Mostly to open up the possibility of integrating additional samples and conditions in the future.
Sam
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I am going to do mass spectrometry analysis of the different lipid classes. I have found lipidomics standard of Avanti polar lipids EQUISPLASH product. In the protocol in their product page, there is a step to add the standard in the extraction process. My question is, if i add the standard in my test sample, how would I get the quantitative data of my sample ?
I am attaching the protocol here.
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When performing mass spectrometry analysis of lipid classes using a lipidomics standard like the EQUISPLASH product from Avanti Polar Lipids, adding the standard to your test sample serves as an internal standard for quantification. This approach helps account for variations that can occur during sample preparation, extraction, and analysis. Here's how it works:
1. Internal Standard Principle:An internal standard is a compound that is added to both your standard samples and your test samples in a known amount. It's chemically similar to the analytes of interest but should be easily distinguishable in the mass spectrometry analysis. By adding a known amount of the internal standard, you can correct for variations that might occur during sample preparation and analysis.
2. Adding the Internal Standard:When you add the EQUISPLASH lipidomics standard to your test sample during the extraction process, it becomes a reference compound with a known concentration that you control. This internal standard will undergo the same extraction and analysis steps as your sample, which helps compensate for any losses, variations, or biases introduced during these steps.
3. Quantitative Data Analysis:To obtain quantitative data from your mass spectrometry analysis, you'll follow these steps:
  • Measure the peak areas (or peak heights) of both your analytes of interest and the internal standard in your mass spectrometry data.
  • Calculate the ratio of the peak area of your analytes to the peak area of the internal standard for each lipid class.
The rationale behind this is that the internal standard's known concentration serves as a reference point. If the extraction and analysis are consistent, the ratio of the analyte's peak area to the internal standard's peak area should be proportional to the ratio of their concentrations.
4. Calibration Curve:To convert the peak area ratio to quantitative concentration, you'll need to create a calibration curve. This involves analyzing a series of standard solutions with known concentrations of the lipid classes using the same extraction and analysis procedures. The calibration curve plots the concentration of the internal standard against the measured peak area ratio.
5. Quantification:Using the calibration curve, you can then determine the concentration of your lipid classes in your test samples based on the peak area ratio. The formula to calculate the concentration is derived from the linear relationship shown in the calibration curve.
By adding the internal standard and utilizing a calibration curve, you can obtain quantitative data for your lipid classes in your test samples, even considering any variations introduced during sample preparation and analysis. This internal standard approach enhances the accuracy and reliability of your quantitative results. Subhadip Kundu
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Currently, I am working on protein-protein interaction identification using co-precipitation approaches. I have these proteins tagged with a 6x-His tag, which can typically be eluted from the Ni-NTA resin using 250 mM imidazole buffers. However, the Professors in my lab have raised concerns about the possibility of this buffer interfering with the analysis or even damaging our LC-MS system.
How can I remove this buffer after eluting the bait-prey protein complexes? Additionally, what other buffers would be suitable with this experimental setup?
One possibility that has been discussed is running the eluates on SDS-PAGE, followed by band excision and digestion. However, given that my samples have extremely low concentrations, Coomassie Blue staining might not be efficient.
I have tried buffer exchange using ultra-centrifuge filters, but that hasn't been successful either.
Would using vacuum concentrators be a suitable method for this imidazole buffer removal process?
Thank you all!
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To get qualified and specific answers you need to provide a bit more information about your experimental approach. Ismail suggested many different options that may be suitable depending on what your overall experimental setup is. As i read your question you are capturing interactors on a Ni-NTA resin with the bait protein bound and then eluting them with imidazole.
There are a wealth of proteomics sample prep methods nowadays that would get you past the imidazole issues, such as protein aggregation capture (PAC) or SP3, which serve to precipitate your protein onto a bead matrix that can be washed thoroughly before trypsin digestion (if bottom-up proteomics is your method). Alternatively, you may be able to digest your protein directly on the Ni-NTA matrix. A C18 desalting step is usually standard procedure before LC-MS analysis and that should give you nice clean samples overall. Gel-band analysis is another approach that should also work fine (if a bit more laborious).
I would suggest your consult with a proteomics specialist at your institution to figure out the most viable approach for your experiment.
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Please suggest best way of intact light chain absolute quantification by using Mass spectrometry.
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The best way for this is to use the MALDI-TOF MS configuration. For ESI top-down or native-MS-like approach is needed for the analysis of either heavy or light chains. You may combine SEC and native analysis for ESI-LCMS or gas phase fragmentation of antibody light chain to select SRM-like produced peptide for quantification. ESI produces multiple charge states for large molecules therefore occurring charge envelopes reduce the precursor intensity if the top-down quantification is aimed. MALDI gives reduced charge states thus either the identification or quantification approach would be more easy/more practical if the sample is not a protein complex but a purified antibody.
Rather than the selection of MS or acquisition technique, it is more important to choose the sample prep strategy herein. Garbage in garbage out for any MS system. What is your consideration about the sample prep and what is your sample matrix? how would you purify/clean, reduce, and fractionate your sample? It is more critical to assess prior to MS detection. Otherwise many interfering compounds, and protein peptides make your quantification worse and that is why it is recommended to use MRM and signature proteolytic peptide identification is more appropriate to perform absolute quantification...
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I have trypsin-digested peptides from FACS-sorted samples, but they are contaminated with PEG.
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Alternatively go back over your sample preparation protocol and determine the source of the PEG contamination.
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Samples collected in EDTA tubes will result in low zinc level but our results are surprisingly increased. Please explain what could be the reason.
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If your laboratory results are showing increased zinc levels despite collecting samples in EDTA tubes, there could be several potential reasons for this discrepancy:
  1. Contamination: If there was any contamination during the collection, handling, or analysis of the samples, it could lead to erroneous results. Zinc can be present in various materials used in the collection and analysis process, and even trace amounts of contamination can affect the results.
  2. Analytical Methodology: The method used to measure zinc levels in the samples may not be suitable for samples collected in EDTA tubes. Different sample types may require different analytical methods, and using the wrong method can yield inaccurate results.
  3. Interference: EDTA, the anticoagulant used in the tubes, can sometimes interfere with certain laboratory tests, including those used to measure zinc levels. This interference may lead to falsely elevated results.
  4. Hemolysis: Hemolysis, the breakdown of red blood cells, can release intracellular components, including zinc, into the plasma or serum, leading to artificially increased zinc levels. Hemolysis can occur during sample collection or processing if the samples are mishandled.
  5. Sample Storage: Improper storage of samples, especially for an extended period, can alter the composition and stability of the analytes, potentially affecting the zinc levels measured.
  6. Specimen Collection Timing: The timing of sample collection in relation to zinc intake or metabolism can influence the results. For instance, recent zinc supplementation or dietary intake could impact the measured zinc levels.
  7. Individual Variability: Zinc levels in the body can vary among individuals due to various factors such as age, sex, dietary habits, and underlying health conditions.
To resolve the discrepancy and ensure accurate results, it is essential to review the entire testing process, including sample collection, handling, and analytical methodology. If there are concerns about the results, it is recommended to consult with the laboratory or a qualified healthcare professional for further investigation and appropriate interpretation of the findings.
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Please explain the difference between Thermo biopharma finder and Proteome discoverer software uses. Thanks!
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Thanks Murat
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We want to determine curcumin in mouse plasma after subcutaneous administration of some formulations. The idea was to perform the determination by HPLC-MS. However, we have been having a problem with the suppression of the response of the internal standard (deuterated curcumin; the standard is OK because other tissues have a good response). Plasma sample preparation was done with 50 µl volume and protein precipitation and extraction with three volumes of ethanol (centrifuging and rescuing the supernatant between each extraction). Afterward, SPE is performed on C18 cartridges to maximize cleanup. Other tissues, such as nodules or hind footpads, respond well to this extraction process, which we believe is the most optimized. What can we modify to reduce the ion suppression problem? We have modified the separation method without much success. Thank you.
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I suggest using phree-phenomenex (bimodal/phospholipids and protein removal) protein precipitation plates...This will remove the abundant large molecules of serum such as proteins (albumins, globulins...and phospholipid derivates)...with this, you may combine protein precipitation and spe clean-up into a single prep step...In addition, MS/MS fragmentation and using alternative ions for your SRM acquisition may improve specificity and give more non-interfered spectra...If sensitivity is low I also recommend nitrogen evoporation followed by buffer exchange and internal standard normalization approach for absolute quantification...for hydrophobic compounds such as curcumin I also use APCI instead of ESI to get a more intense signal if your configuration is applicable to implement...
Good luck
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I have relative abundance data from a label free mass spectrometry experiment of a simple mixture of proteins (for simplicity call them protein A and protein B). These two proteins are similar in size, and I know the amount of protein A that was spiked into the mixture. If the relative abundance of protein A is 25% and protein B is 75%, can I estimate the total mass of protein B by the equation Mass_B = (Mass_A / MolecularWt_A) * 3 (conversion factor from relative abundance data) * MolecularWt_B?
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No. You can never assume that different compounds will ionize in the same manner. MS analysis is not a "universal" detection technique.
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Dear all,
I'm building a shiny application for analysis of mass-spectrometry based proteomics data (for non-coders), and am working on the section for GO term enrichment.
There are a wide variety of packages available for GO term enrichment in R, and I was wondering which of these tools is most suitable for proteomics data.
The two I'm considering using are https://agotool.org/ which corrects for abundance with PTM data, or STRINGdb which has an enrichment function.
What do you guys recommend?
Best regards,
Sam
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Hi, I don't know the extent of your shiny application, but you can also use EnrichR (in R), which is also good, though, it upload the data to server during calculation.
Plus, I am curious how you will handle the missing IDs during ID mapping? ClusterProfiler can map IDs, but there are always some % of ID that are missing.
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Hi all,
I'm busy building a shiny analysis pipeline to analyse protemics data from mass spectrometry, and I was wondering what the exact difference is between the terms Over-represented, and Upregulated. Can they be used interchangeably? Is one more appropriate for RNA or proteins?
Thanks,
Sam
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I would extend that and say we really need to be careful using upregulated. To me, that means the expression of the protein is increased, so there is a fundamental change in the amount of protein quantified as a result of that. I'd suggest we use the term increased (or decreased) abundance when quantifying the protein, unless we have clear evidence to say otherwise. There are a lot of reasons protein quant differs between samples, and it's not always due to expression level changes. I agree you will find such terms used interchangeably, that does not mean it's correct, or a good idea.
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I ran samples with CaCO3 in positive mode, and I obtained the mass of [CaCO3+H]+. Is this possible? (I am using QTof with ESI).
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Yes, this is flying as a protonated adduct.
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I am searching for an online database of phenolic compounds extracted from plants which contains their UV spectra (or at least their λmax).
In the database phenol-explorer, there is almost everything about phenolic compounds except UNFORTUNATELY their UV spectra ...
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Noel W Davies thank you very much
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how to close the question
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Dear Hongjie Hu,
Please share the data it will easy to discuss.
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Hello! I am running an experiment involving biotin labelled DNA oligonucleotides. I hope to identify nuclear proteins bound specifically to my ~70bp oligonucleotides and elute the nuclear proteins using µMACS Miltenyi System. I will subject these proteins for in solution trypsin digestion followed by C18 spin column and mass spectrometry. Hence, I need to avoid the use of high salts (interfere with trypsin digestion) and detergents (interfere with mass spectrometry).
I am at odds on how I can separate my proteins from the 50nm microbeads. I have six options currently:
(1) Elute from the column with 5-50% acetonitrile gradient. I will speedvac before in solution digestion. This leaves the microbeads in the column and selectively elutes the protein. However I am concerned that acetonitrile might cause the proteins to precipitate in the column.
(2) Elute from the column with 2M ammonium bicarbonate. This leaves the microbeads in the column and selectively elutes the protein. However I am concerned that 2M is not strong enough to elute my proteins, and I would have to dilute to 50mM for in solution trypsin digestion.
(3) Elute from the column with HFIP. But I think HFIP is a very harsh organic solvent and might denature the proteins.
(4) Spin down the microbeads after reduction step. I cannot seem to find any protocol including spinning down microbeads, but I did see a paper that claims that 50nm microbeads are too small and non-sedimenting.
(5) Re-run MACS after reduction and collect the flow through. However, I might potentially lose many proteins.
(6) Just send the magnetic beads for mass spectrometry. Is this possible? Wouldn't the magnetic beads clog the C18 column.
I would really really appreciate any help you can provide as to which option sounds most feasible. Thank you so much!
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I would do an on-bead digestion with trypsin, which will give you the peptides that can then be followed by cleanup (if needed) and MS. This is quite a common approach for elution and any mass spec service should be able to advise you on it.
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Dear to whom it may concern,
I would like to kindly ask you about the ionization of acidic and salty forms of a given compound in electrospray ionization.
To be more specific, when I successively infused the reference standard solutions of atorvastatin in both its acidic (atorvastatin with an exact mass of 558.25) and salty (atorvastatin calcium with an exact mass of 1154.45) forms into the ionization source (electrospray ionization known as ESI) of the mass spectrometer, I always obtained the same precursor ion (m/z 559.5 in positive mode) of its forms.
I do not understand the reason why the atorvastatin calcium could show the same precursor ion as that of the acidic form of atorvastatin.
May you please give me an explanation of how the salty form of atorvastatin is ionized in ESI, resulting in the same precursor ion as that of the acidic form of atorvastatin?
Thank you so much.
Best regards,
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To my understanding, acetonitrile, methanol, isopropoanol etc. act as electron donors in ESI conditions, enhancing ionization in ESI+. This is one of the reason why ionization in ESI+ is enhanced by solvents (the other is their faster vaporization than water in ESI conditions).
some solvents are better electron donors than others, and you may notice signal enhancement switching from one to another...
hope this helps...
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Dear colleagues,
Have a nice day! Did anyone have a guide for PC settings or some sort of service manual for Waters Synapt G1 or any other old Waters instrument with EPC? My Synapt G1 won't boot on and I already don't have any idea what can I do to solve this problrm... OS on EPC won't boot on :-(
Warm regards,
Azamat
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Thank you for the answer! Yes, our case was caused by losing BIOS settings, we restored them and now Synapt is running. But absence of the manual for EPC is looks strange for me. battery in EPC is not eternal, so why did they don't add any information in user manual or even their web-site? It looks like Waters don't even think about situation, when their instrument will be online after more than 5 years :-)
Warm regards,
Azamat
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I have been optimizing method for determination of predsolone (360 amu) and dexamethasone (392 amu) using the Agilent 1100 HPLC coupled with the Waters tandem Mass spectrometry with electrospray ionization in positive mode. I´m using masslynx software.
For Mass spectrometry i´m using the cone voltage (v) 10; Source temp 150°C; desolvation temp 450°C; desolvation gas flow 650 L/hr; cone gas flow 110 L/hr; and cappilary voltage 3.4 kv.
My sample was diluted in 95%:5% (HPLC water:methanol). I am using a gradient method with a mobile phase composition of HPLC water and methanol both with 0.01% of formic acid.
I´m done with predsolone where I got 361 m/z as molecular ion peak with high intensity. But for dexamethasone, I didn't got the 393 m/z as molecular ion peak, instead I got 373 m/z with high intensity. The expected molecular ion peak (393 m/z) has very small relative abundance. I have tried to change the cone voltage of 5, 15, 20 and 25 but still no any changes observed instead the intensity decrease. Also I tried to lower the Source temp to 120°C but nothing changed.
Please can you assist me on how to enhance it?
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Thank you so much Prof. Noel
Let me work on your advice and will come back to you for feedback.
Thanks
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We are an EV-based lab and characterize the EVs using MS to look at the protein content of the EVs.
My question is why do these biological replicates have such a different elution profile? It seems like the sample at the top completely lacks hydrophilic peptides compared to the bottom one (the first half of the chromatogram).
Is this the MS sample prep error or the heterogeneity of EVs? - I don't think either as for the MS sample prep same stock solutions were used and regarding the heterogeneity of EVs - these are from wild-type untreated mice and therefore, cannot show such stark differences in their profile. However, I might be wrong and further insights are highly appreciated.
Details on the sample and MS sample prep method used (Note: Both the samples were prepared at the same time using the same stock solutions)
  1. Origin - mouse plasma (platelet depleted) (wild-type C57 mice no treatment whatsoever)
  2. EVs isolated using UC
  3. MS sample input quantity 10 ug (quantified using microBCA)
  4. MS sample prep method - SP3
  5. Injected 1 ug for both the samples into Thermo QE HF
Any leads are highly appreciated.
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İsmail Emir Akyildiz that is really a good suggestion. I would try this out
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I want to know other techniques than TEM and SEM for determining the formation of non-fluorescent metal nanoclusters. I have seen papers use Mass spectrometry. Are there any other techniques?
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Dynamic light scattering (DLS) and small-angle X-ray scattering (SAXS) are pretty much universal techniques. AFM might be demanding for sample preparation, but it is also possible.
Shift in the surface plasmon resonance (SFR) UV-VIS absorption peak works in some specific cases.
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I am trying to detect molecules that are connected with sugar.
The device is HRMS with ESI and APCI ionization source, but none can do the job.
Is it possible only with MALDI? or are there specific conditions that can help me?
Thanks a lot.
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Dear Itay,
do you see no signals at all, or is the identification/quantification of sugars connected to peptides the problem (e.g. in a software) ? Do you have a chromatography in front or do you only want to analyse single proteins and thus have a direct injection setup?
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I used LCMS to detect metabolites and after a PCA plot was generated, I noticed that there were some sample outliers. What could be the cause of this?
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There are several causes for the presence of outlyers. Impurities, errors during the extraction, the needle that for some reason did not inject the same amount of sample, and samples that are naturally different from the other ones.
You can solve the problem using this checklist.
- check the look of the chromatograms and verify that all of them look more or less the same.
- check IS intensities and verify that their peak area is within an acceptable range for all the samples.
- normalize the data across samples.
- scale the data using UV scaling.
- evaluate the presence of outlyers using RobustPCA.
good luck
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I am performing whole cell phosphoproteomics. Following cell lysis, I have trypsinized and desalted 10mg of cell lysate, which I am using for phosphoenrichment. The enrichment is antibody based, binds to phosphorylated tyrosines. However, we are unable to detect phosphopeptides by mass spectrometry following enrichment. One concern raised was that the starting protein is low. What is a good amount of lysate to begin with?
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Late answer but TiO2 and FeNTA are not suitable for phosphotyrosines( i.e I quantified 43 phosphotyrosines by a sample from which I quantified nearly 9000 S/T phosphosites so much less than 1% with TiO2) If you don't have sample quantity problems(not working on clinical data) pY100 antibodies are the best for phosphotyrosines. Not really an expert but if you can quantify more than 300 phosphotyrosines its a success.
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I want to quantify 2-HG metabolite in the cultured cells and after drug treatment. can the cells be frozen if not performing the lysis on the same day?
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You need to freeze them immediately using liquid nitrogen in order to stop the metabolism of the cell. After this you can keep the cells until the analysis day.