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I need the explanation if it is possible then what will be the reasons.
I made Zr-based MOF. One is normal, one is just functionalized with -NH2. After analysis, the Isotherm of the normal one is LANGMUIR, the one finctionalized with -NH2 is following FREUNDLICH.
Is it acceptable?
I am having a hard time searching for papers to back up my claim.
Please help, fellow researchers.
Thank you!
I have got such results in an experiment. If it is not possible then what will be the reasons.
Langmuir: y=3.9678x-0.056, R2=0.9993
Freundlich: y=0.0924x-0.6302. R2=0.9732
I am unable to fit any adsorption isotherm model to my data. I used an initial concentration range between 100-1000 mg/L. The experimental results completely remove up to concentrations of 800 mg/L, which means that the adsorption capacity is equal to or very close to the initial concentration at all points.
I have already tried fitting the experimental data to the classical isotherm models (Freundlich, Langmuir, Temkin, Sips, etc.). However, when I manage to converge the mathematical modeling using the nonlinear equations of the models, the determination coefficients (R²) show negative values, the error functions have very large values, as does the standard deviation of the desired parameters (maximum adsorption capacity and equilibrium constants). What should I do?
Can a material with a lower percentage removal have the maximum adsorption capacity (qm) when comparing two materials using Langmuir isotherm? If so, what are the causes of the highest adsorption capacity?
I have performed the adsorption studies and applied Langmuir model to the data. I obtained KL value from it. In literature it is given higher the KL value stronger the interaction between adsorbent and adsorbate. But there isn't any specific value of KL given.
In literature FTIR and XRD are also performed to predict the adsorption mechanism. I have done that as well and there is shift and change in the peak intensities.
Which one is better to predict the adsorption mechanism? Either from KL value or FTIR/XRD?
I conducted an adsorption experiment of arsenic on soil in the presence of different doses of silicon as competing ions to see the effect of silicon on arsenic adsorption and desorption. I took 5 concentrations of silicon, namely 0, 1, 10, 100 and 1000 ppm. Although adsorption behaviour was correct and in line with what I expected to be in the presence of 0 to 100 ppm of silicon, I was shocked to see that in the presence of VERY high concentration of silicon i.e. 1000 ppm, the adsorption isotherms are showing opposite trends, the Langmuir bonding energy coefficient (Kl) shows the impossible negative value and the Freundlich exponential coefficient too showing values (more than 1). Why is this happening in the presence of a very high concentration of silicon as competing ion?
The adsorbate is Arsenic and the adsorbent is a soil
My project is about the absorption of a colored pollutant (Rhodamine B) with a concentration of about 5ppm from an aqueous solution with the help of a polymer adsorbent.
In this regard, I encountered a problem in calculating absorption isotherms:
In the Langmuir model, the value of the intercept in its linear equation becomes negative, and as a result, the Langmuir constant becomes negative.
In the Freundlich model, the slope value in its linear equation is negative, which causes the "n" value in the Freundlich equation to become negative.
Langmuir equation: y = 0.0927x - 0.0102 with R² = 0.9989
Freundlich equation: y = -0.1716x + 2.4921 with R² = 0.9877
I would be grateful if you could guide me
I am conducting adsorption experiments in a liquid medium, and one of my samples showed a decrease in Qe values with an increase in Ce. Has anyone encountered this behavior before? What does it mean? I also couldn't fit the non-linear isotherm models, but using the linear models, it fit better with the Langmuir model, with an R2 of 0.989. Is it reliable to use the non-linear model in this case?
What is the significance of the -ve 'b' value or -ve intercept for the linear Langmuir isotherm plot??
I recently plotted some of my experimental data in a Langmuir linear isotherm plot. I have got R2 = 0.9994 & ARE% = 1.25, i.e., the data are fitting very well, but the intercept or 'b' value is coming in at -ve. Is there any physical significance to that value, or is it somehow wrong? Please help me if you have any proper idea of that Langmuir isotherm with the -ve 'b' value. I thank you in advance for your kind support and help.
I understand that it is possible to estimate the capacity of a certain soil using the freundlich and Langmuir models. I am sure that running this models is quite an acquarate approach to determine P fixation.
I decided to ask this question, because I feel that for farmers it is a very complex approach. Therefore I was wondering if there is a different process to follow that would be more in-practice oriented situations?
The isotherms needs qe from different ce, in that case for both pseudo 1st and pseudo 2nd order there should be separate Langmuir and Freundlich isotherms. If in case of isotherm the research papers are using some experimental qe and ce then what is the need of the kinetics and isotherm plot?
what could be the reasons I am getting negative intercept negative qmax (maximum adsorption capacity) and negative KL (Langmuir constant) values? many of the researchers said that it can be possible when the Langmuir model is not applicable. but I am not getting any reference.
if anyone has reported a negative qmax value in any article please provide references.
Thanks in advance
RL = 1/(1+ KL*Ci)
it is calculated using this formula, which Ci to taken exactly?? also I have seen many researchers mention it as equilibrium concentration. so is it equilibrium concentration or initial concentration.? We have multiple sets of readings which Ci should be taken.
Please help.
Kindly provide references too.
I appreciate any help you can provide.
Dear all, my adsorption experiment fits for Freundlich but not for Langmuir model?. Is the value of Qmax in the langmuir model still valid. Same question for the value of KL in the langmuir model, is it valid for the thermodynamic calculation? Thanks!
The values of the correlation coefficient of biosorbent estimated for langmuir and freundlich isotherm were both high 0.99908 and 0.99994 accordingly. But 1/n value were not between 0 to 1 for freundlich model. But langmuir constant RL value (0.89) showed favorability. So which isotherm would fit better?
What is the rationale for an adsorbent to adhere to both the Langmuir and Freundlich isotherms in the elimination of methylene blue dye, while remaining unaffected by changes in temperature?
Hi everyone,
I am currently working on batch experiment to quantify metal adsorption onto different materials. Because the variation of pH after addition of the material is significant and that we don't want to adjust the pH after addition (I am afraid it might impact the surfaces of the material), I wanted to know if a buffer solution can be used to limit the impact of the pH variation.
Also, I noticed there are two ways of doing batch sorption experiments: Lot of researchers varied the initial concentration keeping a fix Liquid to solid ratio to calculate the qe but others varied the liquid mass and the solid mass and maintained the Cini. What do you think are the best approach and what are the pros and cons of each?
Thanks in advance for you help!
Hi
A set of adsorption data yields a S shape that fits a cubic formula exactly. While numerous adsorption isotherms exist for this sort of adsorption, they all agree on fitting the data to a model that diverges as y grows; in other words, that function lacks a horizontal asymptote where qm can be found. In the case of Langmuir model for example, the function donvege as Ce increases and a horizontal asymptote resemble qm.
So the question is, how can we calculate qm from such S shape adsorption isotherms? What, more significantly, what is the PHYSICAL MEANING of an adsorption in which qe grows as Ce increases? How could we explain this in terms of adsorption-desorption behaviors
Please support your answer with good references
Dr. Ismail Badran
What does it mean if the constant n of the Sips (Langmuir-Freundlich) model is greater than 1?
Note that in my adsorption data when n(sips) is fixed at 1 the Qmax of Sips = Qmax of Langumir!
How to calculate surface area using Langmuir relation surface langmuir
If Langmuir model is not the right model to explain my adsorption equilibrium data (R2 = 0,9066).
Can I take its theoretical max adsorption capacity as a result my study?
Because I want to compare it with other studies
I look forward to your reply,Thank you very much
How is it possible to interpret the adsorption if all Langmuir, Fruendlich, and Temkin isotherms fitted the model and have high correlations?
For plant extracts, it is not possible to discuss the thermodynamic parameters of the adsorption process. why?
Is it necessary to conduct adsorption isotherm with optimum parameter or we can conduct it with constant pH, time and dosages with varying concentration?
I have the initial and final concentration of wastewater and R% particularly. is there any mathematical modelling like Thomas model or Adam-Bohart model or Langmuir model etc. need to solve it? if anyone expert here let me know, thank you in advance.
I am investigating a removal process. The obtained experimental data is not fitted in Langmuir isotherm. Therefore, I cannot calculate the theoretical maximum adsorption capacity (qmax) from Langmuir isotherm. Can you guide me in calculating the maximum adsorption capacity experimentally?
Hello everyone, please I need to know if I can use the linear form of Langmuir, Freundlich and Temkin isotherm in the case of competitive adsorption (quaternary system)
In my result, when I applied the Langmuir and Freundlich isotherm model. I got an R2 value is around 0.99 for the linear curve in both models however, on the non-linear fit curve Langmuir model does not show the same value it is negative. So is it possible? if yes, then why it's so different . or am I making a calculation error please help.
My question is two fold, while calculating the value of Rl, do we:-
1) use Ce value (as suggested by Ragadhita and Nandiyanto) or C0 values?
2) Which Ce or C0 value should be used? (Since for plotting any adsorption isotherm, multiple Ce or C0 values are available.
(Ce = equilibrium concentration, C0= initial conc)
Kindly advice!
The Langmuir constant (K) indicates the extent of interaction between the adsorbate and the surface. If the value of K is relatively larger it indicates that there is a strong interaction between adsorbate and adsorbent, while smaller value implies a weak interaction. So up to which value it is accepted, or from what value it is called higher?
I.S. Gromeka worked at Moscow University after his graduation in 1873. He began working at the University of Kazan in 1880 and became a professor there in 1882, at the age of 31. Gromeka laid the groundwork for the modern mathematical theories of capillarity (1879), so-called screw flow, and flow with cross circulation (1882), which took on great practical importance in hydraulic engineering. Gromeka also studied the unsteady motion of viscous fluid (1882), the propagation of shock waves in fluid in elastic tubes (1883), the vortex motions of fluid on a spherical surface (1885). and a number of cases of equilibrium of an ideal gas.
One of Gromeka's seminal contributions to fluid mechanics was the decomposition of the convective derivative of Navier-Stokes equation, which was later coined after Sir Horace Lamb as the Lamb form, with the cross product of velocity and vorticity being identified as the Lamb vector.
Is there any English translation for the works of I.S. Gromeka? Where can we find his original works in Russian?
Can anyone explain me the difference between Langmuir Blodgett film, self assembled monolayers and layer by layer deposition(LbL).
I need to use the following data and equation to get the K value and plot the Langmuir isotherm, θ vs P, for a system where nitrogen adsorbes/desorbes molecularly from a surface.
Data:
ΔHads= 30 KJ/mol, T = 300 K, τ0 = 1x10-12 s, cross sectional area of N2 = 16.2 A2 .
I must use the following equation to solve for K:
K = [[NA*σ0*τ0] / [2π(MRT)]^1/2] exp(Q/RT)
Q = activation Energy (which means it is = ΔHads= 30 KJ/mol)
After solving for K (where I have difficulty because I get a HUGE number) I must use the following equation (2) where we input the desired number of pressures in Pascals from (0.1 to 1.0) which will give me the different coverage for such pressure.
θ= (P*K1) / 1 + (P*K)
After getting the K values, we insert the desired P (pressure) from 0.1 to 1.0 to get the Langmuir isotherm graph (theta vs P).
Can someone help me with this? I don't get the right answer whenever I do the question. Maybe one of my equations is wrong? Please let me know.
I got two different results on surface of the same sample
1. BET Surface area (linear regression)
2. Langmuir Surface area (non-linear regression)
But which one is more correct for porous material?
I want to apply Langmuir isotherm and for that reason I have tried to draw a graph for linear and non linear equations, every I get negative slope due to Qe and Ce inverse relation. I also tried Ce/Qe vs Qe but it gave negative intercept what should I do?
I'm trying to fit my equilibrium data to the Hill de Boer and Fowler-Guggenheim models. I've found a paper
Article Modeling of adsorption isotherms of phenol and chlorophenols...
which mentioned about this models as follows:
" It is important to notice that the Hill–de Boer isotherm is applicable only for the values of surface coverage calculated using the theoretical maximum adsorption capacity"
" It is important to notice that the Fowler–Guggenheim isotherm is only applicable for
fractional coverage < 0.6 when the Langmuir and Freundlich maximum adsorption capacities are used."
There is another way to calculate the theoretical maximum adsorption capacity? It is wrong if i use the qm obtained from Langmuir model to calculate the fractional coverage for Hill de Boer and Fowler-Guggenheim?
Performing adsorption study.
Taking the adsorbate in mg/mL.
suppose the adsorption follows langmuir. To find the equilibrium constant, concentration of adsorbate is required. But I have taken the adsorbate in mg/mL
Is it possible to substitute molar concentration with weight ratio?
Finally the unit of equilibrium constant will be expressed in (mg/mL)-1
Is it correct??
Hi. I have random questions regarding Langmuir Isotherm Model.
1) What does it means if I have negative intercept value for Langmuir Equation in the graph of:
Ce/qe = 1/Q (Ce) + 1/Qb
2) How do I know whether the obtained value of b constant is logical or not?
- Nothing know about all that process
- Needs Some guidance about that plz
Hi, I am doing a research project to remove dyes from water using modified adsorbents. I am getting a negative qmax value for Langmuir isotherm. What does this indicate?
The shape of the isotherm is Type IV isotherm which is characteristic of mesoporous adsorbents and is confirmed by the BET analysis. If I select a particular set of experimental data, I am getting a positive qmax but that does not fit with the experimental data.
I tried using Origin software to fit Rectangular hyperbola equation to my experimental data and it ended up showing negative qmax as well. Can someone please explain how qmax is negative and what does it indicate?
Many thanks,
Sneha
And if Ce is the same, how can the qe values differ in different temperatures?
Here is the attached image, showing a graph plotted Ce vs. qe. Kindly answer.
I'm looking for a "walk-through" to figure out how to use GraphPad Prism (v 8.0.1) for some Langmuir sorption data I'm working with.
I've used OriginPro and Excel with much success, but I really like the publication quality graphs of GraphPad. However, I'm having trouble following their tutorial for some reason. Any guidance would be super helpful!
my experiment project is done by using raw wastewater from my college water treatment plant and i used moringa oleifera seed as the coagulant to perform a jar test. then i analyzed the copper concentration after jar test using AAS by adopting standard addition method. so, i dont have a different initial concentration for each wastewater sample as the initial concentration is constant. can i use the data from different contact time in performing jar test to adopt langmuir isotherm? or it is not possible?
I have porous samples that I subjected to some treatments and the results of the pore size distributions after the treatment from different methods are not consistent. So, I am wondering how different are the ranges of the pore sizes that are captured by each method that could lead to completely different results from the methods.
Please, any published document on this topic will highly be appreciated.
Hi,Is there any way to count the number of gas adsorption on graphene?
I used RDF diagram but It was'nt useful?How can I count the number of gas adsorption on it by RDF ?
In order to determine the best fit isotherm model for an adsorption process, Langmuir adsorption isotherm and Freundlich adsorption isotherm graphs can be plotted using relevant equations and R-Squared values can use. If both R-Squared values are close, Can make a decision ? How much should be the the gap between R-Squared values of Langmuir and Freundlich to determine the best fit adsorption model.
We are using dual adsorption sites for adsorbing the heavy metal ions. We want to calculate the adsorption capacity of each adsorption site individually using the the dual/multicomponent Langmuir adsorption model. How do you use the origin to determine the adsorption capacity for each site using the dual/multicomponent Langmuir adsorption model?
I have been struggling to obtain selectivity for weeks and is desperate for your help. It would be great if you guys can help me out with this. Save me :(
1. I have fitted the single-site Langmuir model. First question, do I use the 'q' value to proceed on the selectivity? The equations is
q=(qsat*b*p)/(1+bp)
2. I am trying to earn the selectivity in a gas composition of CO2:N2=15:85. When I apply the values to IAST selectivity equation, do I have to use the q(CO2) value at 0.15 p/p0 and q(N2) value at 0.85p/p0? Or q(CO2) and q(N2) at a same pressure for the equation below.
S=(q1/q2)/(p1/p2)
Someone please help me out. I am searching everywhere(i.e. google, youtube, papers) and cant find the answer.
Hi,
when constructing a Langmuir (or any other) adsorption isotherm form experimental data, is it better to use a linear form of the equation [1/qe=1/(Kl*qm*ce)+1/qm] with linear fit or use directly a non-linear fit to solve for parameters Kl and qm?
My experiment is on Cr (VI) adsorption by the activated carbon prepared from water hyacinth. The Langmuir models have fitted the experimental adsorption data. How to compare the experimental qe with the calculated qe
for my research project, I have applied the Langmuir model and Freundlich model. But the value of the R square obtained from excel is different as compared to the one calculated using the R square formula. I am not able to understand where is the issue.
Please let me know whether is it normal or I am making mistake somewhere?
Hello,
I'm looking for some help about the understanding of adsorption kinetics of an adsorbant material (zeolite) towards several chemical pollutants. I saw many papers describing adsorption performance through different kinetics model (Langmuir, Freundlich...) but I am not getting how to model this kinetics onto my data and how to interpret them.
Hoping to be clear enough,
Maurizio
Best regards
1 gm soil was used as adsorbent and 20 mg/L nitramine concentration was used and samplings were done at 24 hrs for 7 days. The concentration of nitramine reduced with time.
I have no prior experience in Langmuir and Freundlich isotherm model utilization in data anlysis. Kindly, If anyone could explain from the basic I will be extremely grateful.
I have seen that most researcher papers choose to use/focus only the Langmuir, Freundlich and D-R isotherm models (for the isotherm/adsorption study)
Why is it so ??
How about other isotherm model. Aren't they substantially/empirically important??
(Treatment of water )
I am working on the adsorption of MPs and heavy metals under hydrothermal processing. Most of the adsorption kinetics I know (Pseudo-first-order, Pseudo-second-order, Langmuir, ...) use the variables of retention time and solution concentrations. I wonder if there is other kinetics using temperatures instead?
Your help is much appreciated!
I am designing an ion exchange Column and it says in literature to solve the equations attached to find a Breakthrough curve/Langmuir curve. How can I do that using matlab or by hand if possible? (my matlab skills aren't great). See attached file for the equations I am trying to solve.
Using the linear fitting of the Langmuir equation, the experimental values are not correlating. How essential is it to connect?
Langmuir Type 1: Ce/qe = (1/qm)Ce + 1/Kaqm (plot Ce/qeVs Ce)
Langmuir Type 2: 1/ qe= (1/Kaqm) 1/Ce +1/qm (plot 1/qe Vs 1/Ce)
Langmuir Type 3: qe= qm - (1/Ka) (qe/Ce) (plot qe Vs (qe/Ce)
Langmuir Type 1: qe/Ce= Kaqm - Ka (qe) (plot qe/Ce Vs qe)
Secondly, Langmuir was meant for gas-solid phase, why is it applied in the solid-liquid phase?
I am working on iron oxide nanoparticles for adsorption of dye. I have doubt in making the Langmuir and freundlich isotherm. I specifically wanted to know how we can calculate this isotherm by BET surface analyser.
I've been testing several aproaches to getting a stable close-packed array of 518 and 617 nm nanospheres at the milipor subphase surface, for a future Langmuir Blodgett implementation. From what I've seen, I can't get another result than its precipitation. I've tried both adding NaCl to the subphase, centrifugating, and testing other nanospheres solvents, such as diacetone, ethanol and chloroform. Is there any suggestion or lab procedure that could improve my work? Thank you for your time! ;)
Potassium (K) is one of the three major plant nutrients and most neglected by the farmers though it considered as equal as or sometimes more than the nitrogen requirement by the crops in many of the Indian soils. Though the potassium exist in different forms viz. water soluble and exchangeable K as available and non-exchangeable, fixed K and clay lattice K as slowly available to plants, the available K constitutes only 1-2 % of total K. In this circumstances, nutrient fixation study may give better idea to quantify the fertilizer to be added to crops. In this aspect I initiated K fixation study through adsorption isomers (Langmuir and Freunlich) for 5 different soils under Tamiraparani river command area. The data and graph pertaining to the K fixation study are enclosed for discussion. Please suggest me the amount of nutrient to be added to satisfy the K fixation.
Different researchers are testing new sorbent materials using different methods such as the fixed bed column or batch method, and they use several models to support their results, like Langmuir, Yoon–Nelson, (BDST), Thomas, Elovich equation, the pseudo-first-order equation, the pseudo-second-order equation, and others. So which one is suitable and more important to support and examine the results when testing a new sorbent material?
Although pollutant removal by a solid inert surface (substratum) in a bioreactor is normally modelled using adsorption isotherms (Langmuir/Freundlich) due to it being considered a very simple compartment, with nothing entering or leaving the substratum and no transformations taking place. In the case of a non-inert permeable/semi-permeable surface membranes (i.e. plant roots), supplying the biofilm with gaseous or dissolved substrates, how would you model the pollutant removal capabilities (Nutrients and Heavy Metals) of such a reactive boundary?
I know only a few papers on the equilibrium study of the adsorption process, where the two parametric exponential equation, in this case called the Jovanovic equation or the Jovanovic isotherm, was used. The vast majority of researchers use the Langmuir equation. This equation is based on theoretical foundations and has a long tradition, but in fact it is one of the standard mathematical functions - hyperbolic function, which has the following general form: y = a (kx/(1 + kx)). This function increases gradually to a (asymptotic increase) as x increases. There are no inflection points and y (0) = 0. The exponential function in the form of y = a (1 - exp(- kx)) behaves similarly, but its increase to a, for the same k value, is faster. In the case of the description of the equilibrium in the adsorption process, this equation has no theoretical basis. But it is a function that refers to behaviors that occur more often in nature than those described by the hyperbolic function. It seems that this is a better alternative than eg. the power function (Freundlich isotherm) and the logarithmic function (Temkin isotherm) of which the first does not fulfill the boundary condition in infinity, and the second the boundary condition in zero and in infinity.
I trying to fit my data to a non linear adsorption isotherm plot Ce Vs Qe but i couldn't able to. Kindly suggest.
Dear All,
I have read and watched many sources of how to evaluate non-linear isotherm models using Origin software, but unfortunately, I did not succeed. Do you have any helpful file or guidance for this problem? or I would be grateful if you could send me saved isotherm models which are in the place of software installation. In this way, I can add them to my origin software. I do not know exactly what information should I write in gaps in software when I am adding a non-linear model (please find enclosed).
I would appreciate your immediate attention to this matter.
Cheers,
Hamid
Hi there to whom may read this question.
I have a question about the way we get the surface area in BET Model and Langmuir Model of a catalyst.
Since I have never worked with an adsorption-desorption machine, do we get both surface areas for each model in one measurement? Or do we specifically set the model before measurement and run it twice for each.
Thank you and good luck to all.
the plot of my sips isotherm using non linear method gave me my best fitted Isotherm? i want to find out if it is closer to langmuir or Freundlich isotherm.
I am doing single and binary adsorption experiments (adsorption of liquids). I was wondering how to fit binary adsorption data to non-modified Langmuir isotherm model? Also how to fit binary adsorption data to the different multi-adsorption isotherm models in general?
For single adsorption systems, it was easily to model the data following non-linear method using Solver function in Microsoft Excel. But I couldn't model my data for the binary systems.
My question in other words: how to model binary adsorption data and calculate R^2?
Langmuir isotherm model was used for homogeneous surfaces,. But later on, heterogeneous adsorption surface was generalized for that model.
Any references?