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Hello! Does anyone know of a protocol for recycling the ionic liquid 1-allyl-3-methylimidazolium chloride (AmimCl)? The solvent was used for a chitosan-containing reaction, and the end product was washed with DI water, so now I am left with AmimCl in water. I trialed a salting-out method, but have not seen any liquid phase separation. What are some other recommendations? Thank you!
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Your best chance is water evaporation. The material is extremely hygroscopic, so even if small amounts of water are present it will not crystalise
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I have multiple biomass samples, i need to design an ionic liquid or deep eutectic solvents, for pretreatment
Where to start
I have already many literature reviews and papers but common thing is providing ionic liquids they manfactured without steps to create another
Thanks in advance
Please do not reply with AI answers
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Designing new ionic liquids is not an easy task, you have to consider if what comes out will be liquid, if it will be stable enough, and so on. If you want to dissolve cellulose, you need an ionic liquid, that has good hydrogen acceptor properties ( i.e. the so called β Kamlet-Taft parameter), so that it can disrupt the hydrogen bonds in cellulose and thus dissolve it. The higher this parameter is, the better the solubility. Usually some phosphoric acids and esters or carboxylic acids have such.
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Hello everyone, I want to combine cation and anion of Ionic liquid and optimize their structure in turbomolex as single cosmo file. Please help me for probable solution.
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You have two main ways to do it depending on the level of complexity of the system you want to obtain:
1) From previously optimized cations and anions. You put together the cation and the anion in the Molecular builder in turbomole, in such a way that the element having the positive charge is close to the other one having the negative charge. You must take into account the steric effects of the molecules to which they are attached when placing the cation and anion. Then you optimize the IL (with the .cosmo option enabled), do a frequency analysis to find out the energy state and check for negative frequencies.
1.2) If you really want to know if the IL you optimized is the most energetically optimal, you should make another cation-anion structure and repeat step 1). Then, with a solvation model, e.g. COSMO-RS, you can see which IL is the most stable in the solvent medium (including solutes).
2) With the molecule you obtained in 1), you enter it in a program to make different conformers (there are free and paid versions). Then you optimize again with the options you want and check again what was indicated in 1) and 1.2).
I recommend you start only with 1) for the different ion pairs and see if you need to go deeper into conformers, which require much more computation time.
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I graduated with a master's degree this year and am currently working as a researcher specializing in ionic liquid synthesis.
I am currently synthesizing EMIM TFSI, and after reviewing 40 papers, I have established a procedure and am conducting the experiment as follows:
(Weighing reagents was performed inside a glove box, and the reaction was carried out in an ambient environment using parafilm)
  • Dissolve EMIM Br (12 mmol, 1 equiv) in 3 mL of water to prepare an aqueous solution.
  • Dissolve Li TFSI (13 mmol, 1.08 equiv) in 2 mL of water to prepare an aqueous solution.
  • Add the Li TFSI aqueous solution slowly dropwise (by my hand) to the EMIM Br aqueous solution.
  • Stir vigorously at room temperature for 24 hours.
  • Transfer the reaction mixture to a separatory funnel and extract with 5 mL of DCM (repeat 5 times).
  • Wash the extracted organic layer with 5 mL of water (repeat 5 times, checking for Br ions with AgNO₃).
  • Dry the mixture using a rotary evaporator at 65°C for 1 hour.
  • Place it in a vacuum oven at 80°C for 48 hours to remove trace amounts of moisture.
I uploaded two NMR results: one from the synthesized EMIM TFSI and the other from commercially available EMIM TFSI for comparison.
Upon examining the NMR, I can confirm that the reaction has proceeded, as the EMIM TFSI peak is visible. However, there are still peaks from unreacted EMIM+ cations present
(Looking at the integration, the peaks show that EMIM TFSI cation, an additional EMIM cation, and water are present in a 2:1:1 ratio).
I thought this result is due to the hygroscopic nature of EMIM Br and Li TFSI, which leads to hydration, reducing reactivity and forming a water shell that prevents the reaction. To address this, I performed weighing in a glove box and repeated the experiment.
Nevertheless, the NMR results were similar to those obtained when the glove box was not used.
Therefore, I began to think that I might have been misunderstanding the cause all along, and I’m seeking advice by asking this question.
If there’s anything I might be overlooking, please let me know. I would also be incredibly grateful if you could share any insights or experiences you have regarding NMR results appearing in this form.
Thank you once again for taking the time to read through this lengthy message.
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Pedro Nakasu
I also think that peak is water.
Thank you for your advice.
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During anion exchange step, the ionic liquid phase is getting solidified. What may be the causes?
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Ionic liquids are salts with a low melting point, usually below room temperature. If another salt is obtained as a result of ion exchange, it may solidify, since its melting point is above room temperature.
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Hello,
I recently completed my master’s degree and started a job focused on synthesizing ionic liquids.
I’ve conducted several experiments to synthesize EMIM TFSI, but when analyzing the NMR results, I observed a 1:1 peak ratio of EMIM Br (starting material) and EMIM TFSI. Since I don’t have access to a glove box, I’ve been storing and using EMIM Br and Li TFSI in a sealed reagent cabinet.
After several experiments, I suspect that the hygroscopic nature of EMIM Br and Li TFSI causes them to become hydrated, leading to reduced reactivity. Also, I am curious if there could be any other reasons for this result.
Secondly, I would to know whether it's necessary to carry out the synthesis of EMIM TFSI within a glove box.
Thank you for reading.
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I carefully read your valuable response, and I followed the advice to conduct the experiment again, but it was unsuccessful. Therefore, I’ve written a more detailed question based on my experience. I would be truly grateful if you could review it and provide further guidance.
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If you want to design an Ionic Liquid or deep eutectic solvent for lignocellulosic biomass hydrolysis, where to start, any advice will be helpful.
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Designing an ionic liquid (IL) or deep eutectic solvent (DES) for lignocellulosic biomass hydrolysis involves several critical steps. Here’s a structured approach to guide you through the design process:
### 1. Understanding Lignocellulosic Biomass
- **Composition**: Familiarize yourself with the components of lignocellulosic biomass, primarily cellulose, hemicellulose, and lignin. Each component has different solubility and reactivity characteristics.
- **Decomposition Requirements**: Understand the conditions required to break down these components into fermentable sugars. This includes knowledge of optimal temperatures, pressures, and reaction times.
### 2. Identifying Functional Groups
- **Target Functional Groups**: Determine which functional groups in the biomass are key to hydrolysis. For instance, cellulose contains hydroxyl groups that can participate in hydrogen bonding with solvents.
- **Reaction Pathways**: Identify how the IL or DES can facilitate hydrolysis, such as through protonation, coordination, or disruption of hydrogen bonds.
### 3. Selection of Components
- **Ionic Liquids**: Choose cations (e.g., imidazolium, pyridinium) and anions (e.g., acetate, chloride) that can solvate cellulose and hemicellulose effectively.
- **Deep Eutectic Solvents**: Identify hydrogen bond donors (e.g., urea, choline chloride) and acceptors that can form a eutectic mixture with a lower melting point. DESs are often easier to design and synthesize than ILs.
### 4. Property Evaluation
- **Solubility Testing**: Evaluate the solubility of lignocellulosic biomass in the chosen IL or DES to ensure effective biomass dissolution.
- **Viscosity and Density**: Consider the physical properties of the solvent, as lower viscosity can enhance mass transfer during hydrolysis.
- **Thermal Stability**: Assess the thermal stability of the IL or DES under hydrolysis conditions.
### 5. Experimental Design
- **Reaction Conditions**: Design experiments to optimize conditions such as temperature, time, and concentration of the solvent.
- **Hydrolysis Yield Measurement**: Develop methods to measure the conversion rates of lignocellulosic biomass to sugars (e.g., HPLC analysis).
### 6. Characterization
- **Chemical Characterization**: Use NMR, FTIR, or MS to characterize the resulting products and confirm the success of hydrolysis.
- **Physical Characterization**: Analyze the physicochemical properties of the IL or DES, including pH, conductivity, and thermal behavior.
### 7. Environmental and Economic Considerations
- **Green Chemistry Principles**: Ensure that the chosen solvents are biodegradable, non-toxic, and safe for the environment.
- **Cost Analysis**: Assess the economic feasibility of using the designed IL or DES on an industrial scale.
### 8. Literature Review
- **Research Existing Work**: Consult existing literature for examples of successful IL and DES formulations used for biomass hydrolysis. This can provide insights into functional groups, synthesis methods, and performance metrics.
### References and Resources
- **Research Papers**: Look for articles focused on ILs and DESs in biomass processing.
- **Patents**: Review patents for innovative formulations and applications.
- **Collaborations**: Engage with researchers and institutions specializing in biomass conversion and solvent design for practical insights.
By following these steps, you can systematically design and evaluate ionic liquids or deep eutectic solvents tailored for lignocellulosic biomass hydrolysis.
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Hi all,
I would like to ask why the only type of electrolyte solutions used in asymmetric supercapacitor is aqueous-based solution? Can organic electrolytes/ionic liquid be used?
Thanks.
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Yes, organic electrolytes and ionic liquids can also be utilized Kittiwat Kamlungsua
Aqueous-based solutions are prevalent in the current use of asymmetric supercapacitors due to their advantages in safety,cost,high ionic conductivity, stability, consistency in electrode potential and environmentally friendly.
Perks of using organic electrolytes and ionic liquids:
1. They have wider electrochemical stability window (up to 4 V or more) compared to aqueous solutions (typically less than 1.5-2.0 V). This allows for higher energy density in supercapacitor designs
2. The overall energy density of the supercapacitor can be improved compared to conventional aqueous systems
3. They offer better performance across a broader temperature range, making them suitable for applications in more extreme conditions
4. Some carbon-based electrodes and conducting polymers have better compatibility with organic electrolytes, which leads enhanced performance
Cons of using organic electrolytes and ionic liquids:
1. Expensive
2. Ionic liquids can have high viscosity, which may hinder ionic mobility and reduce conductivity
3. Some ionic liquids may pose environmental or health risks
The choice of electrolyte i.e. organic or aqueous ultimately depends on the specific application and performance requirements of the supercapacitor.
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Can we conduct DFT studies for Ionic Liquids with Amines at various concentrations? If so, how can we proceed with these studies? Additionally, what parameters, besides IR, NMR, and HOMO-LUMO, can be calculated for Ionic Liquids through DFT investigations?
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The liquid phase is the most difficult one for quantum chemistry to handle, but it is possible to do so.
You need to work with periodic boundary conditions, otherwise you introduce a surface with its own surface energy contributions.
Since liquids never occur at 0 K and stationary single-point-DFT is essentially 0 K physics, you will probably require molecular dynamics which even for low-level DFT ist quite expensive, so additional approximations like DFTB or embedding procedures will be required.
With respect to concentration-dependency: the lower the concentration gets, the larger your cells for the periodicity will have to get.
Here is a DFTB-MD example:
Sulfuric acid in water is of course less expensive than your combination, so in your case the answer would be "it's possible, but very expensive".
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since dispersion correction GD3BJ is incompatible with minnesota, which dispersion correction should be added in calculation.
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The answer is not straightforward: although there are parameters for D3 compatible with MN06-L, the literature does not suggest that the introduction of dispersives will necessarily lead to an improvement in the description of the system. This is because Minnesota functionals are parametrized on a database that already contains non-covalent interactions ( ). Probably the best procedure could be to search the literature for benchmarks on systems similar to those targeted.
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Dear researcher,
I want to simulate my protein with the denaturants (MW-139 Da). I am using Gromacs 2018.2 version and the extra molecules were added by using gmx insert-molecule command.
I want to add different concentration of denaturants like 10, 20............. til 90%. I have successfully added the 20% denaturants in the simulation box and run the simulation while I want to add more than 20% so the command adds a particular number and terminate with a massage (2241 is successfully added out of 3271 requested).
I have increased the box size so the number of denaturants were also increased due to increase of water molecules, so problem is same. I also read the gromacs mailing list but i can not find any solution.
Please suggest me how i can add the total molecules in the simulation box.
Thanks for your response in advance.
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Many thanks Jd Tamucci for your response, very helpful indeed.
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When i run my experiment using EMIM ionic liquid, the ions are moving when i apply electric field. However, when i use A336, it is not moving. Any idea why ?
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Dear Hemamalini Rawindran,
Polymer membranes and porous materials absorb ionic liquids, causing changes in ionic conductivity and mobility. Polymer inclusion membranes (PIMs) with ionic liquids facilitate ion movement by acting as proton exchange membranes, improving efficiency in processes like microbial fuel cells and electrodialysis, and by enhancing ion conductivity and selectivity for ion transport based on the interaction between the ionic liquid and the polymer matrix.
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I am working on AA based protic ionic liquids. How can we confirm that a proton from amino acid has been transferred to cation to form an ionic liquid??
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Thankyou for the detailed response. I have tried reacting amino acid with pyrazole based cation and i am not sure about the proton transfer has taken place or not given the fact that amino acids exists in zwitter ionic form
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Hi all, 
I am trying to get static structure factor Sij(k) for a two component ionic liquid system with ions i and j. I could calculate and verify the same for one component system but somehow now getting the correct structure factor for two component system.
Also, am puzzled with various expressions to calculate partial static structure factor in normalized and unnormalized Fourier transform.
I will appreciate if anyone can provide the verified algorithm. I know its too simple and Fourier transform of direct correlation hij(r). I am doing the same but the different structures are looking shifted.
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How do we calculate the structure factor using Travis? Is there any specific way or command to calculate it@Mirella-Simoes-Santos
Thanks in advance.
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Ionic liquids synthesis and purification is important task in chemical laboratories because of the liquid phases.
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Thank you for sharing@Abdelhak Maghchiche
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in particular DES and Ionic liquides system?
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thank you, It was helpful!!
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I know charmm36 force field is for proteins and small ligands and is not directly developed for any ionic liquid. Some research groups have developed charmm compatible parameters for certain cation/anion of interest to study ionic liquids with proteins.Is there any easy I can do that without manually writing the topology?
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Spotted the ChatGPT user (apart from the nonexistent CHARMM-GUI workflow, googling "Improved Lennard-Jones plus Coulombic Potential" yields only 1 match: this thread).
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I have been trying to optimize the structure of ionic liquid containing ammonium as cation and closo dodecaborane as anion with gaussian and gauss view. But the anion instead of developing electrostatic interaction with cation, captures the two hydrogens from cation.
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You probably have to force the initial occupation numbers for your orbitals in the initial guess, but I don't know how to do that for Gaussian.
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I want to optimize the molecular structure of ionic liquids using RDKIT and Python. Any idea?
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Dear Sadah. I am not familiar with RDKIT, but recently I've solved questions related with Python by using ChatGPT. You may give it a chance.
Best, Pablo
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As I am Currently working with the solid polymer electrolytes. When I increase concentration of ionic liquid semicircle in my nyquist plot disappears. While doing EIS at higher temperature same situation arises ? Please enlighten me on this.
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The Nyquist plot consisting of semicircle is basically consisting of bulk resistance and bulk capacitance. The disappearance of semicircle basically indicates the reduction in bulk resistance to flow of ions in the electrolyte. The disappearance of semicircle and appearance of spike is also an indication of the smaller value of Rb. To find out the Rb when Nyquist plot has the spike, take intersection of the spike at x axis, keeping both x and y axis equal or proportional.
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Hello Everyone,
I have an ionic liquid sample for UPS analysis. Can anyone help me with the sample preparation for the same ?
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Depending upon the vapor pressure of the ionic liquid, it may be possible to carry out this analysis as a small droplet in a vacuum instrument. I suggest a droplet assuming that you are looking to collect spectra of the liquid alone. A small spot dabbed onto a surface should be sufficient for testing.
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I want to know the experimental method as well as the theoretical method for the determination of the HLB value of the morpholinium-based cationic surface active ionic liquids. Is there any instrument through which it can be performed? Are the calculation parameters given by Griffin for Non-ionic surfactants similar for the ionic surfactant?
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Determining the Hydrophilic Lipophilic Balance (HLB) value for morpholinium-based cationic surface active ionic liquids (SAILs) can be challenging as the traditional HLB system is primarily designed for non-ionic surfactants. However, there are experimental and theoretical methods you can consider for estimation.
Experimental Method:
  1. Solubility Measurement: Determine the solubility of the cationic SAIL in a series of hydrophilic and lipophilic solvents or solvent mixtures. This can be done by observing the clarity or phase separation of the solutions. Based on the solvents or mixtures in which the SAIL shows the best solubility, an estimation of the HLB value can be made.
  2. Emulsification Test: Perform emulsification tests by mixing the cationic SAIL with hydrophilic and lipophilic oils. Observe the emulsion formation and stability. The emulsion that provides the best stability can give an indication of the HLB value.
Theoretical Method: Theoretical methods for determining HLB values are less common, particularly for cationic SAILs. However, you can consider the following approaches:
  1. Molecular Structure Analysis: Analyze the molecular structure of the morpholinium-based cationic SAIL. Assess the relative proportions of hydrophilic and lipophilic groups within the molecule. Higher proportions of hydrophilic groups suggest a higher HLB value, while higher lipophilic group proportions indicate a lower HLB value.
  2. Computational Methods: Utilize computational techniques, such as molecular dynamics simulations or quantum chemistry calculations, to estimate the HLB value based on the interactions and behavior of the cationic SAIL with water and oil phases. However, this method may require specialized software and expertise.
Regarding the use of Griffin's calculation parameters for non-ionic surfactants, it is important to note that these parameters are specifically designed for non-ionic surfactants and may not be directly applicable to ionic surfactants such as cationic SAILs. Ionic surfactants have different molecular structures and interactions, requiring specific calculation parameters tailored to their characteristics.
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Specifically interested in purine derivative as a cation of ionic liquid.
Any relevant reading suggestions are highly appreciated. Thanks.
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Yes, there are several purine-based ionic liquids that have been described in the scientific literature.
Examples of purine-based ionic liquids include 1-butyl-3-methylimidazolium adenosine monophosphate ([BMIM][AMP]), which was first synthesized and characterized in 2011 (reference: "Synthesis and characterization of a new purine-based ionic liquid: 1-butyl-3-methylimidazolium adenosine monophosphate" by L. Zhao et al., in Tetrahedron Letters, vol. 52, p. 1130-1133, 2011).
Other examples of purine-based ionic liquids include 1-butyl-3-methylimidazolium guanosine ([BMIM][GMP]) (reference: "Synthesis and characterization of a novel purine-based ionic liquid: 1-butyl-3 -methylimidazolium guanosine" by L. Zhao et al., in Journal of Molecular Liquids, vol. 170, p. 63-66, 2012) and 1-allyl-3-methylimidazolium hypoxanthine ([AMIM][Hpx]) (reference : "Synthesis and Characterization of a New Purine-Based Ionic Liquid: 1-Allyl-3-methylimidazolium Hypoxanthine" by L. Zhao et al., in Chemical Research in Chinese Universities, vol. 32, p. 157-161, 2016) .
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I'm wondering how to do geometry optimization for ionic liquids. Should it be done using the whole ionic liquid molecule or using cation and anion separately.
In addition which software is used? COSMOtherm or ADF COSMO-RS?
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In principle, we should distinguish between (i) the geometry optimization and (ii) the final single-point calculation at the optimized geometry which produces the screening charges etc. needed for the sigma-profile. While in (ii) you should use the QM method consistent with your specific COSMO-RS implementation (e.g., COSMO solvation model + DFT/BP86/PVTZ for AMS COSMO-RS), you are not limited at all with respect to (i). You can optimize the geometry in the vacuum or solvent environment, you can employ cheaper molecular mechanics tools, or even take the geometry directly from e.g. a crystal structure.
The answer whether to use the whole ionic liquid pair or the cation and anion separately in the optimization depends on which approach within COSMO-RS you prefer. It is possible to describe the cation-anion electroneutral pair as a whole or to model the counterions separetely ("ion-based approach"). Here is our benchmark for both of these approaches within ADF and also the method how we treated the geometry optimization:
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I have been trying to simulate the ionic liquids on Gaussian 09 using B3LYP with scanning basis set from 6-31G to 6-311G ** (d,p). The file has been running since 4th of April (output file has the size of 107kb) and showed no progress.
any solution?
I have installed the gaussian 09 on window-based system
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Depending on the size of your cell, 5 days isn't actually that long.
However, it is always recommendable to preoptimize with a low-cost functional like BP86 and a small basis set before going to hybrid, then you can see whether what you are trying to do is in the sensemaking range.
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I am looking for green solvents that can dissolve natural rubber (not crosslinked). Preferably ionic liquids. Any help is appreciated. Thanks
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It's also possible to dissolve natural rubber into switchable solvents, and then convert the rubber into a latex. See Green Chem (2017) 19, 1889. This is useful, for example, if the rubber has congealed and someone wants to convert it back into a usable latex.
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This is an anectdotal experience- i mixed two brands of liquid handwash soap without adding any water, and the mixture surprisingly appears less viscous (I have not measured with any device, but can tell from ease of flow) in winter months compared to standard handwash soaps I experienced in summer. can you tell why?
The handwashes are not alcohol or glycerine based- these are soap based. I know sodium stearate, palmeate, oleate etc. are main components of body washing solid soaps. Using potassium instead of sodium makes the soaps softer. and the liquid soaps are sodium laureth or pareth sulfate (or sulfonate?) based. This is not like deteregent where cationic and anoic detergent mixed together produces a buch of much-less water soluble entangled polymers. Even If I assume (polymeric) ionic liquid formation scope, even then viscosity reducing with temperature does not make any sense. Or does it? I know thermoplastics show higher elastic modulus at higher temperature sometimes due to entropic effect. Is something like that happening here? can you tell me whether there ane widely circulated liquid-soap-based handwashes that are not laureth or pareth based? Or what can be the role played by additives into the handwash?
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The viscosity of cleaning solutions with a low salt concentration is affected by the nuclear quantum effect. Proton tunneling along the chain of H-bonds is observed, which leads to an increase or decrease in the intermolecular interaction.
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I need to take the sodium nucleotide salts I have available in my lab and modify them to instead contain some more exotic counterions. Can I do this by binding my nucleotides to a strong anion exchange resin, washing, and eluting with a salt of my preferred counter ion?
Thanks very much!
Nikhil
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You can do either of two things:
1. First, convert a Dowex cation exchanging resin, H+ form, to the desired ionic form by washing with 0.5-1M solution of a salt containing the desired cation followed by the extensive washing of the resin with water. Next, pass, at a slow flow rate, an aqueous solution of your nucleotide through a column containing min. 10-fold excess of the resin prepared as above and wash the column with several volumes of water to complete the elution of the nucleotide. Freeze-drying will give you your nucleotide in the desired ionic form.
2. If your nucleotide is retained on a C18 reverse phase column, you can dissolve the nucleotide in a solution containing the desired cation and apply the solution to the column. Next, wash the column with 3 volumes 0.1 M aqueous solution of the salt containing the desired cation. Next, wash the column with water, min 1 column volume. Finally, elute the nucleotide with 10-15% aq acetonitrile and evaporate the eluate to dryness. It would be advantageous to monitor the UV absorbance of all eluates by an on-line detector and collect only the UV-absorbing fractions. Not all nucleotides are retained by C18 reverse phase, particularly in the step of washing with water. If you decide to use this method make sure to check all eluted fractions.
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I'm finding some cationic molecules like below.
I tried finding on www.sigmaaldrich.com , but couldn't find anything.
Where can I buy some molecules like this?
ref)Ikeda, Taichi, and Yoshitaka Matsushita. "Tetrahedral Tetra-cationic ionic liquids." Chemistry Letters 49.1 (2020): 14-16.
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if you got the cas you can try http://www.chemexper.com/ they search over different chemical companies, but such kind of systems can get quite expensive.
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Suppose I want to synthesize a solid or gel polymer which has good transparency in visible range. Now if we add some salt solution or ionic liquid to the polymer matrix and make a polymeric film, usually we loose the transparency. What strategy should be taken to prepare transparent and high ionic conducting solid/gel polymer?
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You should try to bring the refractive index of the polymer and the liquid phase as closely to equal as possible. Since you have much more flexibility on the liquid side, that means measuring the refractive index of the polymer and then try to fine-tune the refractive index of the conductive liquid phase, e.g. by adding water, replacing lighter anions with heavier ones, etc. You may need an additional fine-tuning after you generate your composite, especially if components in the liquid phase have some solubility in the polymer phase or vice-versa.
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I want to know the exact difference between ionic liquid and electrolytic solutions.
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Electrolytes in the process of dissolving dissociate in solution into ions thus increasing the conductivity. Ionic liquids are compounds composed from ions with a low melting points, commonly < 100 C.
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May I know how does an anion influence hydrophobicity of an ionic liquid and if I use thiosalicylate anion does it makes the ionic liquid hydrophobic?
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Yes thiosalicylate anion is more hydrophobic than chloride anion for an ionic liquid.
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In all the literature, I came across, I couldn't find the exact calculation for finding out the percentage of cellulose before and after extraction (from biomass) using ionic liquid.
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OD sample /OD standard x Conc. of standard x Volume (total) / Volume (taken) x Volume (made up) / wt of the sample x 100
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in ionic liquids when i test it with TGA analysis under N2 gas at 500 C the weight loss % was not logical (more than 100%) =108 % ؟؟؟؟
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Yes almost certainly an experimental error. However, I would bet on the weighing procedure as the more likely problem. Specifically, since most ionic liquids are hygroscopic, I suspect some weight - in the form of condensed water - was added accidentally after the sample was weighed.
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Doing metathesis reaction for the production of aromatic ionic liquids upon changing the counter ion(iodine) from the precursor, I am still getting tresses of iodine in my final product. What is the best and most economical way to remove iodine present as an impurity in my ionic liquid?
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If you really have iodine in your final product, perhaps the best way is washing the ionic liquid with chloform or carbon tetrachloride, both can easily dissolve iodine and can be extracted
Good luck.
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I am working on a project to extract dioxins from edible oils using ionic liquids for which I need their IFT values.
I am not able to find a suitable research paper for the same.
Any help would be useful and valuable.
Thank You!!
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It is hard to find the tables ready to use as you wish. The attached articles may help you to define IFT values by yourself or rather be able to calculate differences when changing parameters (like pressure or temperature).
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Can someone please refer e any paper or any article which have the synthesis process of pyrrolidinium based Ionic liquids.
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Pyrrolidinium-cation-based protic acid ionic liquids (PILs) can be prepared by simple neutralization reactions between pyrrolidine and Brønsted acids, HX, where X is NO3−, HSO4−, HCOO−, CH3COO− or CF3COO− and CH3(CH2)6COO− etc.
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their are many ways like using ionic liquids and many more methods but I am trying using green solvents and also the processes should be cost effective ,easy to handle
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Dear all, yes there is an appreciable investgation devoted to this matter. You have a wide choice of possibilities between ioninc liquids, deep eutectic solvents, CO2, and other combinations. Please have a look at the following documents. My Regards
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I want to know what are the controlling factors that differentiate whether this ionic pairs are going to form ionic liquids or not, any help is highly appreciated.
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Dear Marwa Abd El Kader Zaater, in addition to the previous fruitfull contributions, I advise you to read about 'Deep Eutectic Solvants DES'. They are by far easy and cheap to prepare, and with competitive performance with ionic liquids. My Regards
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Green solvents in global industry
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It is nice that Stachowiak could throw some light on this topic. It appears from the literature he has cited that there can be only around 50 ionic liquids which have been commercialized. It is possible that many other companies did not disclose their usage to avoid any challenge from their competitors.
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I have a range of different ion pairs , some of them formed ionic liquids and others didn't. I've read before that for ionic liquids to be formed, the entropy should be greater than the enthalpy. I am wondering if there is a certain range for both entropy, and enthalpy, or delta G where ionic liquids can be formed within?
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I am working on perovskite solar cells. Where I want to utilize methylammonium
acetate (MAAc) ionic liquid with the perovskite precursor. I don't have the facility to synthesis this chemical. If anyone can help me to get it, that will be a great help.
Thanks in advance.
Chandan
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Hi Chandan,
You may make an inquiry at Alfa Chemistry, which offers kinds of good-quality ionic liquids.
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while some ternary nitrate salt mixture can have melting point around 100 C, some ionic liquid can have melting point around 150 C. so, is there any such cutoff as it is asked ?
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Dear Sumit, thank you for posting this interesting technical question on RG. First of all, organic based ionic liquids and extremely low-melting inorganic salt mixtures are two completely different pairs of shoes. Ionic liquids are normally pure compounds which have low melting points. In contrast, as the name suggests, mixtures of inorganic salts are not pure compounds. Thus it is not really helpful to compare the two. For example, think about the well-known freezing mixture of ice and table salt which can have a melting point of below –20 °C. We would not call this an ionic liquid. Commonly, the boundary of temperature is arbitrarily set, e.g. to 100 °C.
Good luck with your work and best wishes, Frank Edelmann
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I have to measure water content in the ionic liquids, Karl fischer coulometric titration is a method to detect water < 1%. Can I use KF coulometric titration in glove box ? Are anolyte and catholyte dangerous inside glove box ? please let me know.
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From the sensitivity point of view, doing the measurement in a glove box is clearly very advantageous. You will not have any interference of moisture which you can have if you do it in air. If you want to measure water contents below 10 ppm, doing it in a glovebox will be helpful. For values above 100 ppm, it will probably not matter if you handle your sample fast enough.
However, what about the glovebox atmosphere and its effect on the copper which is used in the purifier to keep the atmosphere free from O2 and H2O: Is the alcohol, the base and the SO2 of the Karl Fischer method a problem? Do they poison the copper? You can find "Glovebox Use Guidelines", written by Karolina Osowska for the Department of Chemistry at the University of Huston. She writes: "The glovebox catalyst can be irreversibly damaged by thiols, amines, phosphines, alkyl halides, SO2, SO3, Hg, etc. You should avoid these materials in the glovebox at all cost." D. A. Vicic and G. D. Jones write in their chapter "Experimental Methods and Techniques: Basic Techniques": "Typically for gloveboxes employing copper-based catalysts, the following volatiles should be avoided: amines, halogenated solvents, alcohols, phosphines, and thiols." You cannot avoid the SO2 of the Karl Fischer method. Often, methanol is used as solvent, which is the most volatile alcohol. According to these sources, Karl Fischer inside a glovebox might be problematic for your box on the long rung. At least you should keep the titration vessel and the flasks with the reagents closed as good as possible. If possible, you might avoid the methanol and use alcohols with lower vapor pressure, e.g. ethanol, or even better: diethylene glycol monoethyl ether. If imidazole or pyridine is used as the base of the Karl Fischer solution, there is also a kind of amine which might be problematic. Clearly, imidazole has a higher boiling point (256 °C) than pyridine (115 °C), therefore, it is expected that it also has a lower vapour pressure. Therefore, avoid pyridine - I think imidazole is usual anyway, pyridine is hardly used any more in Karl Fischer' titration.
Although methanol, SO2 and base might be problemeatic and risky for your purifier unit if they get into it, I do not know: Is their evaporation rate small enough to avoid the copper poisoning of your purifier? Does anyone else have some experience with Karl Fischer in the glovebox? Karthik Bappudi, did you do the measurements in the glovebox? Do you have to regenerate quite often or is your purifier as good as before? Bellsabel Gebear-Eigzabher, what about your system?
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The group contributor values are usually defined for neutral molecules. When we are dealing with a ion we face some groups that are different. For example, (>N<) group exists for protonated amines such as MEA+ while the contribution value is not defined in tables. Does anyone know how we have could apply these methods in such cases?
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Hi Arman Arabloonare , any updates? Im working with DES too, and I was wondering how to estimate HSP with group contribution for choline chloride. Thanks!
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I have ionic liquid. I want to prepare doses to determine LD50. My chemical is in liquid form but in the case of LD50, the value must be expressed in mg/kg. so how we can measure the doses directly as mg/kg considering the chemical in liquid form?
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I am looking for an anion conducting (bisulphate) (do not need electronic conductivity) hydrophobic coating on my Highly Oriented Pyrolytic Graphite (HOPG) electrode.
I have read about Li and Zn ion conducting polymer gel electrolyte membranes containing PVdF-HFP polymer, Ionic liquid such as EMITf and BMIMBF4 and salts of Li and Zn such as LiTFSI and Zn(Tf)2 . Can I make a similar hydrophobic polymer membrane for conducting bisulphate ions?
Please suggest a suitable ionic liquid and bisulphate salt for the same. If not this system, can anyone suggest another way of synthesising a hydrophobic bisulphate ion conducting coating for the HOPG electrode?
Please guide.
Thank you!
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Mahesh Chandra Dubey, thank you for your answer
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I have been synthesizing some ILs, and I always purify them by precipitation, either in diethyl or in petroleum ether.
Considering that I can run TLCs and I can see my product going up on the TLC without any degradation pathway, can I run a column chromatography for them? Have you ever done it before?
I am asking that because all the procedures that I find for IL purification are precipitation, distillation, crystallization, techniques using absorbent agents, etc. However, column chromatography seems always the best and practical alternative for me.
Thank you!!!!
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Hi Gabriel,
Check out this paper on IL chromatography and then make sure you reference them when using their technique, it's a very useful methods paper:
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It is indicated that the sterical effects gradually become less and less important with dilution. In the case of thirty-fold dilution of the PILs mixture by deuterated solvent for NMR sample, there are standard Multiplicity in Proton NMR (Ma=Nx+1). Will it lead to additional splitting of 1H peaks in case of two-fold dilution or without it at all when R-N-CH3 will get its positive charge R-(NH+)-CH3 form RCOOH, i.e. (-CH3) doublet instead of singlet for example? Or, there is only a chemical shift of (-OH) group will be observed? And what about very strong acids and basics when strong ionicity has occurred?
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Dear Andrei Polkovnichenko thank you for posting this interesting technical question. Although I'm not a proven specialist in this field, I just came across a few potentially useful literature references which might help you in your analysis. For example, please have a look at the following article:
Molecular dynamics involving proton exchange of a protic ionic liquid–water mixture studied by NMR spectroscopy
This paper has been posted by the authors as public full text on RG so that you can freely download it as pdf file.
Also please see this relevant paper which is directly related to your question::
Assessing the Structure of Protic Ionic Liquids Based on Triethylammonium and Organic Acid Anions
This paper was published Open Access in The Journal of Physical Chemistry B. It is freely accessilbe as public full text on the internet (please see attached pdf file).
I hope this helps. Good luck with your research and best wishes, Frank Edelmann
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I am having COSMO-RS trial software. I would like to know how to screen the ionic liquids in CO2 capture process.
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Hello Muthumari, The first step is to retrieve/generate the ionic liquid cosmo files. After this there are a couple of methods for screening them for CO2 absorption which can be found in the link of my most recent paper: .
I employed infinite dilution solubility, and maximum solubility capacity as a means of screening the solvents. If you figure out which method you want to use I can help you with the procedure. Most papers I came across used the infinite dilution solubility method of predicting Henry Constants. -Thomas
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Which silica is suitable to prepare silica-based ionic liquid and other catalyst?
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I think the ionic liquids that you want to coat is more important. As the chemical linker between ionic liquids and silica is sensitive in strong base or acid sometimes, the coating ILs often choose neutral.
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Hello, I working with a chemiresistor with sensitive layer of polymeric ionic liquid (polymer of tetrabutylphosphonium 3-sulfopropyl acrylate). Electrodes are from gold. I study this sensors using electrochemical impedance spectroscopy. I'm trying to find out the Warburg impedance. Does anyone know what equivalent circuit will fit on this Nyquist plot? The main problem is the second rounding. (EIS parameter: potentiostatic EIS, 100mV, 1MHz to 0.1Hz)
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The double circle represents the existence of two layers. I will suggest you recheck the electrode fabrication process, and if not required avoid much higher frequencies. Use 0.1 Hz to 10e5 Hz.
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What kind of chromatography do you think is done to purify the ionic liquid?
The specifications are mentioned in the paragraph 4.1 and 4.1.1
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Dear Simone Marsani many thanks for asking this very interesting technical question. Unfortunately the original article which you provided does not specify the solvents used for the chromatographic purification of the ionic liquid. I'm not sure anyway if a chromatographic purification of this ionic liquid is really necessary or not. In my opinion treatment of the solution with activated charcoal and removal of all volatiles under vacuum should give you a product which is sufficiently pure for further applications.
For some general information about the purification of ionic liquids please have a look at the following useful review article:
Recovery and purification of ionic liquids from solutions: a review
Fortunately this paper is freely available as public full ext on RG.
Good luck with your research! 👍
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I'm looking for a reference paper on the extraction of extremely low concentrations of Cs (Cesium) or Sr (Strontium) using an ionic liquid (such as C4mim Tf2N). Is it possible to extract this using the repeated ionic liquid test?
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Keep in mind that whatever way you concentrate diluted solution, the process is thermodynamically unfavorable and you need to consume energy.
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I am trying to simulate crystallization of an ionic liquid on graphite at low temperatures (around 190 K). I am using GROMACS. How can I apply the low temperature condition in MD/GROMACS? And is this possible to predict crystal structure at low temperature using MD?
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Thank you for the respond. I read this paper before. I am new to MD simulation. What I am trying to figure out s:
1. How should I apply temperature parameter to my system?
2. Where, on which file or files, I have to make changes to change the final temperature I want to find the structure?
3. Can I just change the temperature to 190 K, without change the force filed, or I have to also use a specific force field for low temperature?
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So this is the scripts I used for my simulation and it workd. However, the substrate is not flat as expected as you can see from the figure. So any suggestions to make the substrate not moving while still have interaction with liquids?
lattice fcc 2.776 orient x 1 1 1 orient y 1 -1 0 orient z 1 1 -2
region layer block -51.0 98.0 -51.0 98.0 -6.0 -0.6
create_atoms 7 region layer
pair_coeff 1 1 0.03 2.5
pair_coeff 2 2 0.066 3.5
pair_coeff 3 3 0.2 3.74
pair_coeff 4 4 0.03 2.42
pair_coeff 5 5 0.07 3.55
pair_coeff 6 6 0.21 2.96
pair_coeff 7 * 0.18286 2.72
pair_coeff 7 7 12.0256 2.475
region lower block INF INF INF INF -6.0 -4.0 units box ## Bottom fixed rigid portion
group lower region lower
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fix 1 lower setforce 0.0 0.0 0.0
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Hello Mr. Ting:
These are good examples that I read before about this topic. Also, in one of them, Dr. Zhang changed the wall treatment to able to stimulate rapid temperature through a wall.
I had a paper about something like that before:
If you have a question, do not hesitate to contact me.
Best,
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its a silicone based soft denture lining material(polydimethylsiloxane) with 3 triaminomethylsiloxane ionic liquid. please explain in detail the difference between the control and experimental groups.
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To separate out rutin, extracted with ionic liquid (1-ethyl-3-methylimidazolium-bromide).
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Dear Bimal Chitrakar please see the following article entitled "Optimization of Ionic Liquid Based Simultaneous Ultrasonic- and Microwave-Assisted Extraction of Rutin and Quercetin from Leaves of Velvetleaf (Abutilon theophrasti) by Response Surface Methodology". The paper is available as public full text on RG:
On page 9 of this article it is stated that "it is worth noting that [C4mim]Br and methanol were almost the same as the extraction yields of two target compounds. However, methanol was volatile, flammable, and harmful to human and environment. Therefore, [C4mim]Br was chosen as extraction solvent in this study." Thus I would try re-extraction of your rutin with ethanol or perhaps use methanol right away instead of the ionic liquid.
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Hi all,
I am currently analysing the electrorreduction of CO2 using ionic liquids, and I have some doubts which is the best option. In partcular, I am considering two options: bubble collumn reactor or a membrane contactor.
What are the advantages and disandvantages or both options? Are there better options to what I want to do?
Thanks in advance for any input or information.
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Thanks Madhukar
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i was wondering if you know of an accurate method for quantifying the amount of cellulose in a filtrate. of biomass that had been dissolved in ionic liquid and then filtered with deionized water.
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could i use fluorescence or size exclusion chromatography and if so may you please send me a method.
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Dear Chloe,
the method you should use depends how clean the cellulose is. If it contained also lignin then using FTIR would be good option as with FTIR cellulose and lignin content can be caluslated from the ratio of certain peaks. See e.g the following article for method: D. Koutsianitis et al. / Ultrasonics Sonochemistry 23 (2015) 148–155.
But if you are curious about the dissolved cellulose in the solution (as far as I understand your question) then using KMnO4 oxidation and titrating by conventional methods would be appropriate as used for pulping samples.
Hope this helps
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I am planning to make Ionic liquds encapsulated PLGA nanoparticles. Are there good techniques that I can confirm the capsulation of the ionic liquid?
Thank You in advance!
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You may for for isolation of ionized molecules molecules by microcentrifugation and determination using HPLC
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Hello,
Wondering if there are any physicists that can explain (very simply as I am a chem eng) whether a charged particle would move faster or slower through water than an uncharged particle. Perhaps this is somewhat explained by brownian motion?
For example, if I have an ionic solution (e.g. salt) would the particles move faster than a neutral solution or similar molecular weight? Or more simply would Na+ move more quickly than Na. Does the charge (pos vs neg) matter?
If you know any pubs that explain this that would be great too as everything I find is more looking at charged particles moving in an electric feild.
Thank you.
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It's not possible to give an unambiguous answer. A neutral particle is made up of charged particles anyway. Water has an electrical dipole moment so it's the coupling between this dipole moment and the particle that matters. A neutral particle can only couple to the dipole moment of water through its dipole moment (if it doesn't vanish, as well-in which case it's the quadrupole moment that matters); an electrically charged particle can couple to the individual constituents of the dipole. So it can lose energy more easily and therefore one might say that it will be slower than a neutral particle that can't lose energy as easily, since it interacts less strongly with water molecules.
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Aqueous electrolyte have a potential window of 1.2V, while organic and ionic electrolytes have higher potential windows. But what parameter is contributing to this enhancement in the respective potential window of organic and ionic electrolyte. What are the intrinsic parameters which determine the potential window of an electrolyte? Could anyone help me with an answer.
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Let me first tell you that what is the intrinsic parameter due to which aqueous electrolyte have low potential window. When we talk about the electrolyte potential window, it is basically the solvent stability which determine the potential window. the water decomposition is the major cause of getting low potential window in aqueous electrolyte. The 1.2 V is the voltage stability of pure water with respect to platinum working electrode and SHE as the reference electrode, as on the platinum surface the kinetics of water decomposition is very fast, it get reduce to evolve hydrogen at very near to 0 V and oxidise at about 1.23 V so overall potential window is 1.23 V. However, the organic electrolytes have the solvents like acetonitrile, ethylene carbonate, which have relatively higher stability upto high potential that is why the organic electrolyte can work for high potential window. Ionic liquids donot contain any solvent they are the molten salts. that is why they can even be stable upto higher potential than organic electrolytes.
So the overall conclusion for your question is that the potential window stability is greatly depend on the solvent stability when we consider the electrolyte stability.
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I follwed articles they mentioned, EmImTFSI ionic liquid is dissolved in methanol, Acetone, DI water and DMF. Does it miscible in DI water as well as in DMF..i have a doubt...if any of you know please clarify. thank you
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Frank T. Edelmann, sir it was very helpful to me..thank you
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I have studied the structural changes of a protein in 3 different concentrations of ionic liquids (50 mM, 500 mM, and 1M). On analysis of the RDF plots, I find that the magnitude of the RDF plot for the anion at 0.35 nm from the protein followed the order 50 mM > 500 mM > 1M (as seen in the attached images). The magnitude of the plot is also very high at 50 mM (~ 60). However, on visualizing the trajectories, I can see that only at 1 M concentration, there is an increased concentration of the ions in the solvation shell of the protein, and at 50 mM, there are very few ions surrounding the protein. What could be the reason for such high g(r) values at lesser concentrations of 50 mM and 500 mM?
I used "gmx_mpi rdf com rdf mol_com -s em.tpr -f md_Dhp1M.xtc -cn -o ranion_Run2.xvg -tu ns -dt 100 -cut 0.35" for the analysis.
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Azadeh Kordzadeh
Thanks for your reply.
Yes, you are right these are the plots of the anions. The protein is insulin which has only 51 amino acids and I have calculated the RDF for a specific N-terminal residue (Phenylalanine). I have also calculated the RMSD, RMSF etc.
Would like to know the reason for the discrepancy with respect to RDF and concentration of the anions.
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My system consists of ionic liquids, aliphatic and aromatic hydrocarbons. Any suggestions and any script for calculation of viscosity?
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We are working on the synthesis of organic compounds using ionic liquids  are these ionic liquids are green solvents  ? How to remove the ionic liquid efficiently when the reaction is complete ?
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I tend to disagree, that ionic liquids are toxic as such. There are more possible ionic liquids than there are people on this planet. And just as people, they are different. There are toxic ones, there are also completely harmless ones, just as well there are some that are corrosive and others, which serve as corrosion inhibitors.
And that is the beauty of it, you can always find one, that can suit the properties profile that you are looking for.
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I am considering a change of thesis topic to something that can be performed remotely. I have little/no experience with molecular dynamics or DFT simulations.
I would be looking for a software capable of modeling vehicular and structural diffusion of protons through ionic liquids and polymeric ionic liquids. The purpose is to identify chemical candidates for use in proton exchange fuel cell membranes. What software/technique could I use for that application?
Approximately how long would it take to learn the software and be able to get useful information on such a problem?
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I would say is too difficult to answer your question; but at present the most popular Quantum Chemistry Software is Gaussianas.
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I want to get long chain proteins that are well dispersed (and try to prevent the degradation of procollagen into small peptide chains). Is there any solvent that prevents degradation and dissolves or swells leather well.
Or is there any good literature recommendation?
looking forward to your reply,thanks!
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Dear Wang Chizhou, deep eutectic solvents (DES) are I think the best candidates. Please refer to the following document. My Regards
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i was trying to look into the usage of ionic liquid and stumbled upon a few papers on their functions in extracting metal ions. i was thinking of using them in extracting value added components and in my case, in fish lipids preferably omega-3.
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Yes we can apply ionic liquids to extract lipids. but we have to design the IL based on their polarity. as to me non polar ILs (less polar) mixed with organic solvetnts are better for lipid extraction than polar ILs. see this paper
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The Figure in the attachment is taken from the following article:
Preparation and characterization of a novel ionic conducting foam-type polymeric gel based on polymer PVdF-HFP and ionic liquid [EMIM][TFSI]
At room temperature, at high f region an incomplete semi-circle in the Nyquist plot can be seen which is hard to fit with standard equivalent circuit model. The AC conductivity can give us a range but how can we find the exact numerical value (DC conductivity), if semicircle is difficult to fit?
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Try to plot your data in the log-log scale. There could be a tiny semicircle at high frequencies. The incomplete semicircle could be a sign of ion diffusion (so-called Warburg diffusion element in equivalent circuits). Also plot log Z' and Log Z'' vs log f. Provides a different angle of view on your data.
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Dear All
In ionic liquid, why does temperature affect the charge-discharge process? with references
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I simulated a two-phase water-ionic liquid interface system for 10 ns. Then I calculated G(r) between O of water and C2 of ring of ionic liquid. I did it with Travis. However, I don't know how to interpret the resulting figures. Do you think that the data is valid? I guess I should calculate RDF in distinct regions. What are these regions, and with which program can I specify them...
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I tried to mix polyurethane and graphene oxide with ionic liquid (EMIM-TFSI) to enhance it's ionic conductivity, will there be any effect in functional group charge (negative -cooh, -oh) of GO or maybe polyurethane to this ionic liquid? is cation or anion of IL will be affected by carboxyl or hydroxyl of GO? I don't really understand the concept of this in IL.
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I'm using [EMIM][TFSI] in UV-linked polymer as the gate material for a photodetector. The device will be operating in the air.
In my case, 1% of water in the ionic liquid is fine, but from some resources I find the oxidation could also be a issue. Anyone has an idea of how fast the oxidation can happen to [EMIM][TFSI]?
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EMIM TFSI is quite stable on air and does not undergo redox reactions under normal conditions. It will take up some water, but will soon equilibrate.
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I`m interested in papers regarding the operating condition for CO2 adsoprtion using ammonium based ionic liquid which can be applied industry scale.
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I am not sure hydroxyethylammonium butyrate to be the best absorbent for CO2. We have found quite a few other ILs which work much better, of course the main factor influencing the choice of IL is the flue gas composition and the scrubbing method (temperature/pressure driven).
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What is the method to determine the nature (acidic / basic) of ionic liquids (2-Ethyl-1-methylimidazolium methyl sulfate) by using simple classical method of titration?
It is required to study the dominant part of ionic liquid for further applications.
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If your ionic liquid is only cationic (or only anionic, as a matter of fact) I would be very much surprised, that would mean you have somehow evaded the laws of nature. In case the name of the ionic liquid is correct, this would be a protic IL and it would be slightly acidic. The easiest way to test that is to dissolve it in some water and measure the pH.
In case you are talking about the 1-ethyl-3-methylimidazolium methylsulfate, this is almost neutral, depending of course on the purity.
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I want to calculate the number of ionic liquid molecules present around protein surface by voronoi method.
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I am working on a pressure sensor. I use ionic liquid on PVA polymer, at 20% of ionic liquid, the relative change in capacitance is higher on the specific applied pressure. However, further increasing the ionic liquid concentration, the change in capacitance decreases. Can anybody tell me the reason for decrease in capacitance with a further increase in ionic concentration in polymer? Is ionic liquid is making polymer brittle?
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Dear Dr. Sudeep Sharma,
I suggest you to have a look at the following, interesting papers:
-Salt concentration and charging velocity determine ion charge storage mechanism in nanoporous supercapacitors
C. Prehal, C. Koczwara, H. Amenitsch, V. Presser & O. Paris
Nature Communications volume 9, Article number: 4145 (2018)
-Concentration Fluctuations and Capacitive Response in Dense Ionic Solutions
Betul Uralcan, Ilhan A. Aksay, Pablo G. Debenedetti, David T. Limmer
. Phys. Chem. Lett. 2016, 7, 13, 2333-2338 (2016)
Best regards, Pierluigi Traverso
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Hi, I'm planning to make some ionic liquid gated transistor.
But the problem is famous ionic liquid, DEME-TFSI has a glass transition below 180K.
But I need to lower the temperature till 70K.
Is there any other option that i can choose for the ionic liquid?
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Here's a good reference to an ionic liquid that may not freeze down to very low temperatures (down to −150 °C):
Reiter, Jakub (2 Sep 2012). "Fluorosulfonyl-(trifluoromethanesulfonyl)imide ionic liquids with enhanced asymmetry". Physical Chemistry Chemical Physics. 15 (7): 2565–2571.
I hope you find this useful.
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primary emphasis is on aluminium, silicon and iron oxides, as well as Na, K, Ca, Zn and Cu oxides. target is to electrolyze the solution at room temperature (without water) to produce metal and oxygen. The ionic liquid mixture must be easy to regenerate
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The project is aimed to evaluate the photo-catalytic degradation efficiency of Ionic Liquid [BMIM]Cl using synthesized NiO:V2O5 nano-composite
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I dont think that this compound is volatile, thus direct determination will not be possible. Think about HPLC. However volatile byproducts you can control by GC or GC-MS.
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I have searched about it and electrical conductivity of ionic liquids are predicted by using formulas and ANN and there are some ways and programs to predict different aqueous solutions of salts but I would like to know how to predict electrical conductivity of a liquid by having physical-chemical properties of the liquid, like dielectric constant, dipole moment, etc. or by using ANN so is there any way?
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I think the two articles have things to talk about poor or non-ionic liquids and their electrical conductivity.
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How we will explain the effect of impurities present in the samples (solutions)  on the experimental and derived volumetric, acoustic and viscometric parameters.
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I`m impregnating Ethanolammonium butyrate [EtOHA][BA], which is an ionic liquid on to activated carbon at different ratio. Can I directly impregnate it or I need a solvent for the ionic liquid?
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I would suggest to use a low boiling solvent such as acetone or acetonitrile to dissolve the IL, add the carbon an then carefully evaporate the solvent. You will get a much better and homogeneous impregnation this way.
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I have successfully coated the Fe304@Sio2@PPy( Polypyrrole) simply by taking 100mg Fe304@Sio2 ,suspended in 15 ml DI water then sonicate for 15 min then add 100 microlitre pyrrole. Solution was cooled to 0 degree celcius. Then APS solution in water was added dropwise and polymerization continued for 10 hr. I did the characterization of the compound and it seems to be successful.
In the similar way i want to coat the lonic liquid on Fe304@Sio2. It also has pyrrole on it so i want to coat and polymerize it on Fe304@Sio2. I repeated the same procedure but i was unable to coat. The problem is i have pure but only 0.19 g of IL. Does any one have idea how i can do it?
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Sandhya Adhikari For the beginning I would try to polymerize in a small portion by that protocol but without your nanoparticles - to check your IL.
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I have synthesize Ionic liquid and it weigh about 0.17g. I am not sure how do we preserve it.
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It really depend on the ionic liquid, please keep in mind there are more possible ionic liquids than there are people on the planet. So as you do have all sorts of people, you also have all sorts of ionic liquids, some of them are stable, others are not. Generally in case of doubt, keep them in a cool, dry place, away from sunlight and moisture, under inert atmosphere.
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Hello
I read several papers on this topic
However I'm still trying to find the simplest method
Can you please share some papers with which you are familiar
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Dear Dong
wow thats a pretty good method
so what you used was printing to have that ion gel
Thank you so much
and best wishes for further bright works
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How does decide anion position in any ionic liquid 3D structure. Is there any database for 3D ionic liquid initial structure ?
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Hi There,
I am trying to remove water from EMIM TFSI, I need to do electrochemistry on the ionic liquid afterward, so I need it very pure. I want to try using vacuum heating. What temperature and pressure do you recommend?
I also already followed the discussion on this forum but I still did not get my answer. Somebody mentioned freeze-drying which is quite easy to do for me, I was wondering if anyone has any info on that as well.
Thanks,
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70-75 oC, 30 to 48 hr, with as high a vacuum as you have available. A turbo pump is best. A simple freeze dryer is not adequate. No it does not readily sublime - the vapour pressure is very low. [J. Chem. Eng. Data 2015, 60, 1408]
An alternative is to dry it isopiestically in an evacuated desiccator with clean, small pieces of sodium metal in a second container in the desiccator. This is very slow however & may take weeks, depending on the initial water content. And you must take care with sodium metal.
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As we know that Ionic liquids shown a promising green solvent with various advantages such as extremely low volatility, nonflammable, low melting point, high thermal, chemical & electrochemical stability, etc. can ti be used for stable aerobic granules preparation???
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I know they don't form true solutions. But asking what can happen.
  • An ionic-covalent compound precipitates from (aqueous )solution
  • An ionic liquid forms that is miscible with water
  • An ionic liquid forms after evaporating all water upon heating.
Or none of the above
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The interaction of two large cations depends on the structure of the matter. For example, s-benzylisothiuronium chloride with alkyl and alkylaryl sulfonic acids, alkyl carboxylates forms crystalline precipitates due to electrostatic and hydrophobic interactions. When dissolved, ionic liquids form ionic pairs due to electrostatic and hydrophobic interaction. We found a cooperative effet change in the Gibbs energy of the interaction of two opposite ions in proportion to the total chain length of both ions. If we go from low concentrations, first ion pairs separated by water are formed, then contact ion pairs, and then a precipitate or solubilization of some ions in the micelles of other ions occurs.
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Ionanofluid prepared from ionic liquid and carbon nanotubes in 0.5-1 w% how to measure specific heat capacity and zeta potential and dynamic light scattering of the prepared Ionanofluids?
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DLS will require that the dispersion is sufficiently optically dilute. You don't mention if it is opaque. Instruments differ in their abilities as far as the upper particle concentration is concerned. You will need to know the refractive index and the viscosity of your ionic liquid phase.
Zeta potential - typically you would use the DLS instrument but success will depend on the electrical conductivity of your ionic fluid. I suspect it will be too high. Therefore, you need to use another technique for estimating zeta potential that does not require applying an electric field. Such examples are streaming current/potential and sedimentation potential but I doubt that they would be realistic.
I would like to know why zeta potential is important. It's important to know that zeta potential is usually *estimated* from electrophoretic mobility. Various models exist to relate the two. The most common make assumptions that I do not believe are valid for your case since your particles are electrically conducting and your liquid phase is not strictly an electrolyte solution.
RE heat capacity - is that what you need or do you need the heat transfer coefficient?
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Dear Scholars
Please Is there any publication you passed by or perhaps a journal on such new materials design and development you recommend?
Any tiny tip is appreciated
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Dear Researcher
According to the most published articles, why quantum mechanics calculations (with Gaussian 09 software) of the anion-cation interaction in ionic liquids are performed in the gas phase while ionic liquids are in the liquid phase? Is it difficult to perform calculations in the liquid phase for ionic liquids or does it not affect at the results? Thanks for giving a clear answer.
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That's simply a calculation time issue: a gas phase calculation with a strong method can be handled by most computers these days. The inclusion of a solvent
a) strongly increases the number of atoms and may increase the computation effort unacceptably
b)actually requires a periodic boundary condition (pbc) calculation or you'll get weird surface effects [and for pbc calculations there are better tools than Gaussian]
Usually, if solvents are included as it is done in computational biochemistry, QM-MM methods are used but you really have to know what you're doing there or you'll generate pretty weird stuff. [For the record: I've never done QM-MM, so I can't help you with that.]
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Actually we want identify or discover a unique type or kind of ionic liquid which can easily Functionalized nanostructures of hexagonal boron nitride for its applications in the field of bio-medical (for drug delivery, bio-imaging and boron-neutron capture therapy).
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most common ionic liquid are salts of ammonium, imidazolium, piperidinium,pyridinium or pyrrolidinium with alkyl chain. In recent time, most commonly used ionic liquid is 1-alkyl 3-methylimidazolium salts.
They have different properties then ionic salts; as like low melting point around 100 degree celsius.
see this paper for making support on BN
Publication: 1)Trends in Physisorption of Ionic Liquids on Boron-Nitride Sheets
2) Phosphomolybdic acid immobilized on ionic liquidmodified hexagonal boron nitride for oxidative desulfurization of fuel.
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I am not quite sure how can we estimate the solubility of Ionic liquids in different solvents. On what basis NTf2-based IL is not soluble in water?
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Giandomenico Basile Thank you for this information.
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Dear professors and researchers 
Could you please help me to know thermodynamic equations of crystalline polymers dissolution like cellulose in ionic liquids ?
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The second law of thermodynamics is wrong.
1. The form of P = P (V, T) E = E (V, T) is very complex, and the Kano efficiency is very simple:η = 1-T1/T2
Mathematically, it is impossible to deduce "η= 1-T1/T2" from "P = P (V, T) E = E (V, T).
2. According to the second law of thermodynamics, Kano efficiency depends mainly on artificial logic rather than mathematics and physics. This is unreliable.
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I am going to prepare silver/silver ion non-aqueous reference electrode to be used in ionic liquid systems. However the pore size of the frit will allow silver ion to sweep through the reference electrode to the electrochemical cell. Will this be a problem for the measurements and for the purity of the ionic liquid which is in the electrochemical cell.
Thank you in advance!
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Samantha Catarelli Thank you very much for your valuable advice! I am going to fill the non-aqueous reference electrode compartment (which has Ag wire in it) with the same electrolyte solution as in the electrochemical cell. It would be tedious to modify the pore size of the frit to block ionic liquid and silver ions. However I think the diffusion of silver ions through the frit would be much slower in the presence of ionic liquid.
Thank you once again!