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Hi i hope everyone reading this comment is doing great.
i have a question that couldn't find the answer to wherever i searched,
my question is when calculating the overall heat transfer coefficient kern's limitation for difference percentage is 30%.
if anyone know why 30 and not anyother number please share the info with me.
what did he do to set that specific number.
thank you in advance.
Hi TRNSYS users,
I am new into TRNSYS and would like to model a smart system that can extracts energy from the output of a cooling mode heat pump and use it in either of the following ways:
During the cold period, I would like to exchange the heat with an underground loop to heat a district. The water is preheated by a ground heat exchanger. During the hot period, I would like to exchange the heat with a ground heat exchanger as a storage medium.
I also want the system to consider the the heating and cooling seasons so that the system goes through the first mode between October and June and through the second mode between July to September.
Since HP and pump components have one control signal, how can I conglomerate the signals with simple controllers? Should I use microprocessor controller and if so, I would appreciate it if you could give me a hint on how to use it as the documentation is vague.
Regards
Shams
In our process, instead of using any heat exchanger, we are planning to cool the process stream using ambient air by 150 deg C. It would be very helpful if someone can suggest guideline for the same. The main concentration is on how to calculate the temperature drop if the process pipe is left bare open in the atmosphere without any insulation.
Consider a heat exchanger with two streams A & B. Going by Fuel-Product definition for exergy analysis, suppose stream A is the fuel stream and stream B is the product stream. My question is whether the following can be possible.
Exergy @ A_in > Exergy @ A_out &
Exergy @ B_in > Exergy @ B_out.
If this will be true then Exergy destruction = Exergy of Fuel - Exergy of Product will become more than exergy of fuel and thus make the exergetic efficiency of that heat exchanger to be negative.
How to write the fuel and product exergy balances in the cascade heat exchanger in the cascade refrigeration system?
Can you help me find modern research to improve heat transfer by introducing obstacles (disturbances) such as rings or other things inside heat exchanger tubes?
I have modeled a heat pump and I choose finned type heat exchanger for both condenser and evaporator. I have divided the condenser in four section with around 83mm length of each. I divided the evaporator to 6 segments with a length of 24mm. I used NTU method and performed 100 iteration in condenser and 37 iteration in evaporator. The number of tube are 2 and capacity is around 5kw with a compressor working at 1000 RPM. The outdoor air temperature is 35, so what I am having issue is the outlet temperature of last sections of condenser that are third and fourth always converge from first iteration (T_third_out [1]= 81 ......... T_third_out [100]=35. Its like after 70th iteration the temperature becomes constant at 35 and also Tair outlet from condenser is max 42 degree and the it become constant after 35 iteration with 35 degree.
Now I am confuse how to optimize the heat exchanger with R134a, if I reduce the length the heat exchanger become extremely small and the temperature main same and also if I increase the section length of these heat exchanger the model does not work with 164 cc displacement volume. The model also does not work at more than 1000 RPM.
Its a very long and complex model, I want to know in order to run the model at high capacity what things I need to change and if someone can help why the temperature always converge on 35 degree as I have not specific the condenser outlet.
Please guide me if someone can do ?
Greetings, esteemed researcher. I'm currently constructing the geometry of a plate heat exchanger (HX) in COMSOL Multiphysics. Upon creating an array of selected objects, I attempted to perform a "Form Union" operation for the final geometry. However, I encountered an error message: ''Boolean geometry operation failed'', as depicted in the attached screenshot. I would greatly appreciate any assistance in comprehending and resolving this matter. Thank you
When Prandtl number is increased for two cases tested over same Rayleigh number, the peak vertical-velocity decreases as Prandtl is increased. This is questionable to the fact that in general terms when Prandtl in increased the velocity boundary layer thickness increases due to increase in momentum diffusivity (\nu)
I'm actually uncertain about the fact that I should treat velocity Boundary layer thickness and peak velocity obtained as two different things.
Also, the current observation is done from the Numerically solved Rayleigh Benard Convection problem in OpenFOAM, with Pr and \nu (kinematic viscosity) as input parameters. For both cases (high and low Pr), \nu value is kept constant and indirectly the input is \kappa (thermal diffusivity) when Pr is changed. (can be a factor to get such behavior for velocity peaks)
I am creating a heat exchanger for the lattice structure core on ntopology to be transferred to Ansys for simulation afterwards. But the meshing is faulty and Ansys cannot process it correctly. Is there any way to fix the intersecting and other types of meshing errors on ntopology? Is there any way to save the ntop filesbefore meshing?
Thanks
Hossein
As heat exchangers in the heat exchanger networks get fouled, the utility in the furnace has to increased to compensate the losses.
Apart from it, the pumping cost must be increasing as deposited foulants in the heat exchangers occlude the fluid flow.
What are the usual proportions of the pumping costs and heating costs ?
#ShellandTubeHeatExchangers #Fouling #Utlity #pumpingcosts
I am modeling a heat pump on the EES program and for the heat exchanger, I am using the NTU method to solve which requires iterations and I am unsure how to use it. If somebody explains it to me through an example then I will be thankful
Design a brazed plate heat exchanger for given fluids
Liquid hydrogen -20 kelvin and at 6 bar coverts to gas
Neon -100 kelvin and at 1 bar coverts to liquid
Q=200KW
I found this formular:
-0,96λ²+13λ+29,6 = spezific heat extraction capacity/ spez. Entzugsleistung (W/m)
λ = thermal conductivity
If I use it with data from Thermal Response Tests, the results seem valid and are close to my estimations.
Now I am interested in finding a source that explains this formular and if it can be used for quick checks and first estimation of borehole heat exchangers?
Does anyone can give me a hint where to look?
Thanks for helping!
Hot stream input:
Working fluid: air
Temp = 109.06 degrees Celsius
Pressure = 1.987 bar
mass flow rate = 353 kg/s
Cold stream input:
Working fluid: Iso-butane
Temp = 30 degrees Celsius
Pressure = 19.853 bar
mass flow rate = 59 kg/s
The goal is to obtain hot stream output temperature at 40.12 degrees Celsius and cold stream output temperature at 100 degrees Celsius!
Hello,
I study the impact of activities on Oceans.
1. Ecoinvent is mistakingly considering the "infinite dilution" hypothese, forgetting that the dilution of pollution is usually done through its absorption by biological entities, and so with consequences on the ecosystemic services (O2 production, CO2 absorption, water filtration, etc.).
2. For example, "water, cooling , in ocean" has no impact according to EF 3.1, whereas it has a 42,95 m3 of water depriv per m3 of "water, cooling" impact in many other compartments. In any case, water cooling has an impact on ecosystems and on water ( pumping water through a heat exchanger , warm it up by 5-20°C possibly, then release it) on rivers, so has an impact on ocean life, I presume.
=> I need to go and read the reports which detail the hypotheses of this 42,95 m3/m3
Many thansk for your help !
Dom.
Suppose we have a 1-2 pass heat exchanger. It's U =500 W/m2K.
Now, lets say, we want to approximate it with 1-1 pass heat exchanger. Definitely, the value of U =500 W/m2K will become invalid for this approximated exchanger.
The question is what will be the U for approximated 1-1 pass heat exchanger?
I am student and I want to know about the best heat exchanger
It's a tube & shell exchanger
The difference air heat exchanger and water heat exchangers
The terms of type of used pipe
For a regular Low Temperature Striling Engine, how much mechanical energy can I produce by using hot water at around 350K?
I want to calculate Rayleigh number and Nusselt number of a PCM-heatsink to analyze the intensity of the natural convection of PCM. There are some fins inside my heatsink to enhance the heat transfer. Now I am having trouble calculating the characteristic length to use in Rayleigh and Nusselt dimensionless numbers.
I would be grateful if you could help me.
Hi friends, i am doing simulation on heat exchanger. when i am trying with Coupled algorithm, solution is easily converged. but when i am changing to PISO, iteration run for 24 iteratio(within 1min), after that no response. more than 30 min. no error like thing come. (simply as in attached file. why this occur? what to do?
I am working on modeling and optimization of evaporator and condenser, both are plate type heat exchanger. The primary fluid is refrigerant mixture (zeotropic) and secondary fluid is hot water. For water, the open literature has numerous heat transfer correlations but for refrigerant mixtures I could not find any flow boiling or condensation correlation in heat exchangers. Although there are few studies that provide flow boiling or condensation correlation of zeotropic fluids in tube. But since the flow pattern is different in tube and plate heat exchanger (vortex or swirl flow), is it reasonable to use flow boiling or condensation correlation of zeotropic fluids in tube instead for flow in plate heat exchanger as well?
The flow boiling and condensation heat transfer correlation for refrigerant mixtures in tube wi
I need two model heat exhanger between air and water. But air will be admitted in liquid state at negative temperature and on leaving the heat exchanger it should be in gaseous state.
In this problem two fluids are involved
Water
Air
Once again Air has enter in
Liquid state
On transferring heat from water it has to be converted to
Vapour.
I'm aware interphasechangefoam for phase change and CHTMultiregionfoam for two fluids. But in this case two fluids are involved. In this two fluid, one fluid has to undergo phase change.
Regards
Dr. Ijaz Fazil.
Suppose we have a HEN with several multi-pass heat exchangers. However, due to some technical constraints all these exchangers are modelled simply using single pass equations.
What will the impact if such a simplistic model is used in optimization problems, such as network optimization for retrofitting or cleaning scheduling?
For instance, it is clear that we may not end up with global optimal solutions but still what will the qualitative impact of such approximations?
The open literatures provide lots of correlation for estimating the in-tube CO2 flow boiling heat transfer coefficient. In the case of plate heat exchanger, the correlations are available for R134a, R410A, etc. I was looking for something generalized or specific correlation that accounts the phase change (boiling/evaporation) for CO2 inside a brazed plate heat exchanger (BPHX). Because, the flow inside a BPHX should be very different than the in-tube flow.
Do obstacles in a channel change the regime from laminar to turbulent while the Reynolds number is under 2300 (approximately 1000)?
Please introduce related studies.
May below article will help u,
Counter current heat exchanger
Hello everyone,
I would like to simulate a heat exchanger with tear stream in aspen plus. I got convergence in shortcut mode. But when I change it into the rigorous mode, I no longer can get the convergence. I tried the following ideas to get the convergence but no luck in getting it.
1) Changed the method
2) Relaxed tolerance
3) Initialized the stream
Any idea to solve the problem will be appreciated.
Thank you in advance
Regards,
Kamalidevi
I am trying to size a radiator for a car. Is there is a specific software used by automobile engineers for sizing the radiator? Can I use Aspen EDR for compact heat exchangers?
How to measure thermal conductivity of Fins in heat sink or heat exchanger.
I have calculated the power losses of the system and the inlet and outlet temperatures for both air and waterside. Using LMTD method, the overall heat transfer coefficient of the CHE was found.
I am unable to proceed further, mainly because I could not find any reports on the heat exchanger(it is similar to a car radiator but smaller form factor) I am working with. How do I find the heat transfer coefficient for the air and water side?
I am unsure of which relations to use from Kays and London book on Compact Heat exchangers (CHE).
Any suggestion on software/books/reports on finding the heat transfer coefficient of this type of heat exchanger would be greatly helpful.
Thanking you in advance.
In my car radiator, the coolant leaking due to minor crack in the plastic. The crack is in the initial stage so no problem now. But coolant leak by drop by drop.
I like to fill the crack in the plastic. What type of glue is used to fill the crack in plastic?
Normal car uses Radiatior system to cool down the engine system. But in Electric vehicle that there is no nead of radiators i think.
Someboby told me electric vehicles using heatsink. Please clarify what type of heatsink is used and how heat in Electric vehicle is controlled.
It must have high thermal conductivity even if it is not electrically conductive. However, it should had high stiffness value so that it will not warping
I need a test bench of a heat exchanger to do experiments on the theme 'fouling of heat exchangers.'
Hello everybody,
i hope you're doing well,
please could you help me the question above using numerical calculations
We are currently looking for gas-to-liquid heat exchanger for the reduction of high temperature gas to low temperature gas. Which type of Heat Exchanger would you suggest to reduce temp of 200 degree C to 30-40 degree C.
I would like to model a heat exchanger by two heaters on aspen.
But the problem is that by transferring the flow from the hot side to the cold side, I end up with a final temperature of the cold fluid higher than that of the hot fluid of departure
If given inlet gas temperature is 25 degree celcius and outlet gas temperature 220 degree celcius
Hi, I need to calculate the insulation system of a plant of rice bran oil extraction that is consist of pipes, heat exchanger, flash, valve, and pump. Is there any formula to suggest? I read some handbooks, but I could not calculate them for the whole system.
I want to write my thesis for master course and i need some suggestions to increase the efficiency of plate heat exchanger.
Doing exergy analysis of steam turbine. However, the exergy balance on boiler (heat exchanger) includes exergy of fuel which is to be determined. The measured data contained the mass flow rate of fuel.
Any recommendations on books would be really helpful.
I'm a Mechanical Engineering student fin heat exchanges. I would like to the know the best material for make fin. But because of lack of knowledge on the subject, I'm confused about where to start my design. hopefully someone who knowledgeable in heat transfer field can answer my question. thank you.
There are multiple methods to calculate cold and hot outlet temperatures, e.g. LMTD and P-NTU.
- P-NTU directly calculates both the hot and cold outlet temperatures using two linear equations based on (a) exchangers geometry (b) flow and (c) heat-capacity of the fluids.
- LMTD based method requires (a) exchangers geometry (b) flow (c) heat-capacity of the fluids and (d) one of the outlet temperatures to calculate the remaining outlet temperature.
(Note : LMTD method can find both the outlet temperatures, if heat exchanger is single-pass)
Both the methods give same answers (while designing and rating heat exchangers) !
My question is as follows:
Is recursive type calculations in LMTD can be considered as a drawback of LMTD method? , Particularly in heat exchanger networks?
can we design heat exchanger network HEN with only 1 stream on above pinch? Is it possible?
I've been working on the heat exchanger design for fermentation systems, and found an explanation in the literature on how to calculate the cooling-coil length. However, I haven't found information on the volume or area that a cooling coil should occupy in a fermenter yet.
The formulas for the shell and tube heat exchanger can't exactly be used for this since the coolers/heaters only have 1 inlet and 1 outlet, unlike heat exchangers that have tube inlet & outlet, as well as shell inlet and outlet. Also, there is no heat transfer coefficient for coolers/heaters unlike heat exchangers.
What other parameters can I compute? Can I ask for formulas that I can use for the specification sheet I'm making for coolers and heaters?
Thank you so much!
I am using k-epsilon turbulent model for heat exchanger design and i am facing this error consistently.
what i have done so far to try to solve this error is:
a) run the stationary model that converged and is in agreement with our experimental data
b) Then i used the solution of stationary model to run the transient model but finding this error every time.
If any one of you knows how to resolve this error kindly give your suggestions.
Greetings !
respected dear i am working to a novel design of wet cooling tower for my final year project as B.E requirement.
I am confused about that if i use cars radiator instate of air to Air tube heat exchanger at the top of the tower ?
kindly help me and guide me , what will be results if i use car's radiator instate of air to air tube heat exchanger ? it would increase the efficiency of wet cooling tower or may decrease ?
I am now modelling shell and tube heat exchanger using COMSOL Multiphysics 5.3a.
I have several questions:
1. What is the benefit of modelling these equipments in finite element software, in terms of safety?
2. Does this FEM software really helpful on consultant engineer in designing the equipment. If yes, in what way? If not, why?
3. Do FEM software really credible and powerful? Many of the journal state that the error obtained ~15%, but ain't this software too good to be true?
4. One with skills using FEM software, is it in demand?
Thank you for answering!
Hello everyone,
I am working on a heat transfer and pressure drop study on a heat exchanger.I need to measure the inlet and exit temperatures as well as the wall temperatures at different locations along the exchanger length.For wall temperature,I am attaching thermocouples on the wall .However ,I am facing a problem how to accurately measure the Inlet and Exit temperatures of Fluid streams.Anyone working on the same area can help me .Thanks in advance
As a part of my thesis I am designing Finned pack heat exchangers for cooling/condensing warm air with water. I am not getting the exact procedure for it. I am reffering multiple research papers but all seem to have different information. Does anyone know of a relevant literature where I can find the process.
The exact type of heat exchanger I want to design : http://www.deltacoils.it/?locale=it_IT
Actually my part is to check the efficiency of the preinstalled heat exchanger I thought by designing the heat exchanger I would get a better under the efficiency is this approach correct also please suggest as per your experience.
This is my industry production problem. In the air conditioner heat exchanger coil bending process, There must be a polyester film between the 2 layers of heat exchanger coil for preventing deformation of aluminum fin plate. It's inserted by a man and be removed by a man.
I'm thinking to make a foolproof system for a forgetting remove this film but can't figure out what kind of sensor would suitable for this situation. Could anyone here suggest any product or method for this situation ?
In your opinion, which cooling technology is the best option to support the increasing demand for heat removal in modern engineering designs used in aircraft systems?
I want to simulate the phase change through out the heat exchanger that may be used in refinery by fluent. The point where the phase of oil will change is very important in this type of stations ,how I can find it or indicated using fluent.
As a part of my system, there is a heat exchanger.
Hot stream - water vapour - comes in at 17.12degC, 0,00714648 bar, completely in the vapour phase
Cold stream - refrigerant R1234ze in a saturated liquid state. The properties of HEATX is given below in the image. I get this error - ** ERROR T-LOOP NOT CONVERGED IN 37 ITERATIONS. FLASH FAILED FOR HOT STREAM DURING ENERGY BALANCE CALCULATION
I would be grateful if someone could clarify what this error could be due to. Thank you.
What is the best and easy to realize method to heat hydrogen / carbon dioxide mixture at10 bar to 320degC? My first idea is to use a thermostat with circulating thermal fluid at 350degC and a plate heat exchanger. But I can not find a heat exchanger with hydrogen resistance and such temperature / pressure spec. The mass flow is about 20 kg/h.
Hello, I am tasked with designing a heat exchanger for pasteurizing beer. I am currently using the Log Mean Temperature Difference LMTD method to do the thermal analysis. I am struggling to find the temperature that beer would often be at before entering a shell and tube heat exchanger for pasteurization and the temperature that the heating water would be at when entering the heat exchanger. The heat exchanger is meant to handle a maximum mass flow rate of 14kg/s if that information is of any help.
Dear all,
Would you please help me to find out the best approach to calculate the potential heat recovery from exothermic reactions? Are there any good references to introduce me in order to enhance my knowledge over recovering heat from exothermic reactions. I will be very thankful for your helpful advice and recommendations.
Thanks in Advance for your kind considerations.
Yours faithfully,
Nashmin
I want to determine the Nusselt number (Nu=hDh/k) in the heat exchanger. In calculate of heat transfer coefficient (h=q''/(Tw-Tb)), for the q'' parameter, I use the total heat flux of the channel walls that is the contact with the fluid and use the average temperature of these walls for the Tw parameter. In this equation, I need the bulk temperature (Tb). How can I calculate it in Comsol multiphysics?
I am analyzing two adjacent interconnected rectangular channel flow patterns. The image of my numerical model is attached below.
The fluent solver was pressure based, and velocity formation was absolute. The SIMPLE algorithm was used. Laminar regime was selected and energy equation was kept on. Boundary conditions were checked carefully. Inlet velocity and pressure outlet conditions were applied. Uniform Heat flux was applied at the bottom face. Solid fluid interfaces are thermally coupled. Second order upwind equations were used for energy and momentum equations. The residuals were kept 10^−5 range, and the solution was fully converged.
I have drawn a centerline inside a mini-channel for observing velocity distribution. Is my solution right? and velocity profile having zigzag is okay? if not, pls explain.
I have double pipe heat exchanger and I want to calculate numerically the local temperature reference that used for calculation heat transfer coefficient locally .If the heat flux is constant are known and all properties is known too.I want to compare with experimental work .The temperature will change as mesh change and cannot be used for comparison with experimental work . This mean can not be calculated where Tref=f(y).
you know h=q/(Tw-Tref) where q heat flux.
must I calculate h or Tref manually with another assumptions?
Stoitchkov and Dimitrov produced a short-cut method for the measurement of heat exchangers for wet surface crossflow plate quality. This involves a correction to the effectiveness determined in compliance with the Maclaine-cross and Banks procedure. For this reason, a new model has been developed with a moving water film, referring to the real conditions in these heat exchangers.
Reference.
N. Stoitchkov and G. J. I. j. o. r. Dimitrov, "Effectiveness of crossflow plate heat exchanger for indirect evaporative cooling: Efficacité des échangeurs thermiques à plaques, à courants croises pour refroidissement indirect évaporatif," vol. 21, pp. 463-471, 1998.
Solution to dissolve phosphogysum in heat exchanger of SS-316 moc.
Hi everyone
I am working on a shell and helically coiled tube heat exchanger with laminar flow through the shell and turbulent flow through the coil tube. I have performed iterations for coil by selecting different types of turbulence models but in each case, energy starts to diverge after some iterations (images attached).
What is the possible reason for this?
Dear all,
e-NTU equation can be written as follows:
e = {1-exp[-NTU(1-CR)]} / {1-CR*exp[-NTU(1-CR)]};
To simplify above, we can write it as follows:
e = 1-exp[C*(1-X)] / 1-X*exp[C*(1-X)]
Can we linearize e , given that X is a variable in both the numerator and denominator?