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A common nonarticular rheumatic syndrome characterized by myalgia and multiple points of focal muscle tenderness to palpation (trigger points). Muscle pain is typically aggravated by inactivity or exposure to cold. This condition is often associated with general symptoms, such as sleep disturbances, fatigue, stiffness, HEADACHES, and occasionally DEPRESSION. There is significant overlap between fibromyalgia and the chronic fatigue syndrome (FATIGUE SYNDROME, CHRONIC). Fibromyalgia may arise as a primary or secondary disease process. It is most frequent in females aged 20 to 50 years. (From Adams et al., Principles of Neurology, 6th ed, p1494-95)
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I am sending a reference article to your other sender, thank you for writing to me - have a good day
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I received a text request from Kim Lawson about ketamine in fibromyalgia.
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There are five people named Kim Lawson here on RG.
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I’m curious if a newer theory on pain exists or whether we are still attempting to understand the theory fully in order to prove/disprove its correlation.
I understand it was a theory and required research to prove, however I’m not sure how a theory is proved if the medical establishment doesn’t still can’t successfully prevent or reverse the condition. Confirmation of a theory should balance recovery, reversal and management of pain through research studies, not simply pharmacological and pain management. We have severe chronic illnesses that fall distinctly in pain theory territory, for instance fibromyalgia a disease that has been coined “invisible“, abuses ones own body but can’t be tested or resolved and isn’t classified as an autoimmune condition. Yet the common information given to patients is we don’t understand fibromyalgia, nor how to reverse the condition. Some treatments are available to manage individual side effects of illness, generally consisting of seeing multiple disciplinary medical fields.
Central Sensitization Syndrome perhaps is a foundational stone in the theory. However I find it inconceivable with the advent of scientific medical research advancements (funded as part of the covid 19 pandemic), that this disease can continue to be discounted as a type of pandemic of various origins, given it often has certain known triggers ie infectious disease, PTSD And various other illness classifications.
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There is growing recognition that probably the vast majority of “benign” chronic pain presentations represent a brain problem rather than a problem with receptors.
Different researchers, depending on speciality, have investigated a variety of aspects, all of which point to 2 factors: conditioned triggers to actual pain signalling, and learned hypersensitivity in response to “normal” signals from receptors.
None of this research is related to the work or theories of Melzack and Wall.
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I'm a 3rd-year psychology student at the University of East London and I'm conducting a 10-15 minute anonymous online survey to capture the everyday experience of Fibromyalgia patients and how they feel they are supported by their medical experts for my final year dissertation.
As leading voices for those who experience chronic illness and who may also be diagnosed with fibromyalgia, I would like to request your assistance in reaching those who often lack a voice, to allow me to capture their thoughts and feelings. Can you help me reach the 150 people that I need to complete the survey over the next two months.
All participation is anonymous and will be carried out under the strict guidelines of the British Psychological Society and the University of East London Ethics Committee.
As you are aware Fibromyalgia lacks robust research, I very much hope that gathering as many voices as possible through completion of the survey will be an opportunity to start addressing that.
To complete the fibromyalgia research survey please copy the address below into your browser.
Qualtrics Survey | Qualtrics Experience Management
The most powerful, simple and trusted way to gather experience data. Start your journey to experience management and try a free account today.
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good luck
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I need to understand the fibromyalgia tender points and the relation between each other, according to the concept " If they fire together, they wire together". But all what I found by searching was only their positions and some information about pain/ diagnosis/relief,...
So I need a help with any reference even if just an opinion about this issue. Thanks a lot.
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Hi,
Some references:
Harth M, Nielson WR. The fibromyalgia tender points: use them or lose them? A brief review of the controversy. J Rheumatol. 2007 May;34(5):914-22. PMID: 1747747
Schneider MJ. Tender points/fibromyalgia vs. trigger points/myofascial pain syndrome: a need for clarity in terminology and differential diagnosis. J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 1995 Jul-Aug;18(6):398-406. PMID: 7595112
Turk DC, Flor H. Primary fibromyalgia is greater than tender points: toward a multiaxial taxonomy. J Rheumatol Suppl. 1989 Nov;19:80-6. PMID: 2691687
Honda Y, Sakamoto J, Hamaue Y, Kataoka H, Kondo Y, Sasabe R, Goto K, Fukushima T, Oga S, Sasaki R, Tanaka N, Nakano J, Okita M. Effects of Physical-Agent Pain Relief Modalities for Fibromyalgia Patients: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of Randomized Controlled Trials. Pain Res Manag. 2018 Oct 1;2018:2930632. doi: 10.1155/2018/2930632
Staud R. Are tender point injections beneficial: the role of tonic nociception in fibromyalgia. Curr Pharm Des. 2006;12(1):23-7. PMID: 16454721
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My long term study of patients with fibromyalgia and diffuse type 2 occupational overuse syndrome during use of sEMG biofeedback shows that there is a symptomatic difference in pain
during splinting of muscles causing deep ischemic pain and the release of muscle tension which brings about numbness, pins and needles and deep throbbing pain. I am looking for an objective measurement to verify this
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The Treaty of Sleep Medicine, of the Spanish Sleep Society, published by the Editorial Médica Panamericana, is the first book written in Spanish on this discipline. In it, the subject of fibromyalgia and its relationship with sleep disorders is deepened with scientific evidence. The symptoms and discomfort caused by this disease are usually complex and difficult to approach, and they usually require the intervention of different professionals in the field of medicine and health: PATIENTS WITH FIBROMYALGIA ASSOCIATE PRIMARY SLEEP DISORDERS MORE OFTEN THAN GENERAL POPULATION.
Let's describe some key points to understand it a little more.
The characteristic symptoms of fibromyalgia are pain and fatigue. However, the majority of patients also have cognitive, mood and sleep disturbances, which is why these episodes have also been included in the diagnostic criteria for the disease.
The mechanisms involved in the development of fibromyalgia have an effect on sleep disturbances, but remain a source of research at the present time.
Fibromyalgia patients associate primary sleep disorders (insomnia, sleep apnea-hypopnea syndrome, periodic leg movements during sleep, and restless legs syndrome) more often than the general population.
Fibromyalgia patients frequently have mood or anxiety disorders, which in turn are accompanied by sleep disturbances. There seems to be a relationship between pain, mood disorders, and sleep disturbances.
There is no drug specifically approved for the treatment of sleep disturbances in fibromyalgia. However, duloxetine, pergabalin, and laamitriptyline are the most recommended by evidence-based guidelines. Sodium oxybate, a drug used for daytime sleepiness and cataplexy (sudden and usually brief episodes of bilateral loss of muscle tone during wakefulness), has performed very well in studies of fibromyalgia patients.
Melatonin is a molecule with the ability to regulate the sleep-wake rhythm and circadian rhythms or biological rhythms (oscillations of biological variables at regular intervals of time), so it could have beneficial effects in the treatment of fibromyalgia. This element has the ability to decrease the cadence of sleep and promote its continuity. Although at present there are favorable results due to its use –always under medical prescription-, the number of studies carried out is small.
Failure to achieve restorative sleep night after night, or systematically suffer from other sleep disturbances is related to a clinical worsening of fibromyalgia, so appropriate treatment can improve the overall symptoms of the disease.
If a dream is a wish, the fibromyalgia wish may be fulfilled by dreaming.!!!
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I have worked on an animal model to induce fibromyalgia syndrome in rats when I tried to express data of open field test, I found that normal rats had moved fast after putting them in the central area but, in the case of fibromyalgia induced rats, rats had stayed in the center without a significant moving and hadn't gone to the peripheral area. How can I explain what happened to my fibromyalgia induced rats?
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In the Open Field Test, one can measure both the motor activity of rodents and unambiguous parameters about fearfulness, or fear-associated behavior. Rats naturally avoid open central positions and initially prefer to move along walls, edges and corners. This is due to their evolutionary aversion to exposed positions, where they can easily become a victim of predators.
Only when an animal has been in the open field test several times and for a long time, it learns that there is no danger from the apparatus and then moves increasingly in the center of the apparatus.
To your question:
Fibromyalgia is associated with severe pain, especially muscle pain. Obviously, the pain stimulus triggered by possible movements to the periphery of the apparatus exceeds the fear of your test animals of an exposed position - it may hurt the animals too much to move away from the center (despite a fear of the central position). The pain seems to be stronger than the fear.
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I am contributing to local guidelines and my local population has a high Pakistani diaspora (1st and 2nd generations). My experience suggests that they present with more cognitive and mood symptoms than pain. Pain being a secondary concern. Does anyone have any similar experiences or advice?
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Thank you, dear Asim Suleman and equally
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Hello!
I am looking for a SHORT questionnaire/scale to measure Quality of Life in chronic patients (e.g. fibromyalgia, or multiple sclerosis). Ideally, validated for English and Spanish speakers. Any suggestions?
Thank you so much :)
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By the previous literature, I mean that any quality of life for chronic illnesses and you can select your questionnaire from more than one followed by piloting. The pilot study is publishable
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Item 3: How many days last week did you miss work, including housework, because of fibromyalgia?
If the participant is off sick or has a disability due to FM, I imagine the correct answer must be 7. Is it correct? If she works, she marks the days in which has missed work due to FM.
Item 4: When you worked how much did pain or other symptoms of your fibromyalgia interfere with your ability to do your work, including housework?
Since the scale refers to the previous week, does this question refer to the impact suffered at work during last week or to the time when she was working?
I couldn’t contact with the authors, so I hope someone will be able to help! :)
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Thanks!! This helps!!
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Looking to assess the composition and concentration of the micronutrient regimen. Were any individuals with fibromyalgia included? 
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Dear Allen,
So sorry for the very late reply. I hadn't receive any notification that you had posted a question and only saw it now.
The dietary condition consisted of a target of 7 serves of high prebiotic foods per day, with the remainder of diet as per participant's discretion. This was compared with a control group on their existing (low-prebiotic diet). In addition to the diet vs no-Diet factor, we had a probiotic supplement vs placebo supplement factor. There was no manipulation of micronutrients.
Individuals with fibromyalgia were eligible to participate as long as they did not have a concurrent psychiatric diagnosis as were were targeting people with subclinical depression and/or anxiety. However, as it turns out, no one with fibromyalgia participated in the trial.
Best regards
Tanya
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after getting the total score of FIQR and different three compartment scores how can I interpret these scores ? how can I correlate them ? is there a certain cut-off value ?? or categorical classification for each score ??
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In 2015, I included fibromyalgia patients based on 2011 diagnostic criteria. the project was left for the last four years because of personal issues. now we have 2016 Revised criteria. and there is no way to reach the patients again in order to update the data. Can i proceed in the project now by the same data ( Iam writing the manuscript now) ?
or the data are no longer valid ?
what should I do ??
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Good Luck and I think its OK to use the 2011 one. In fact there was a revision of it 2016
So simply write what you did.
AND if your work is scientifically sound and the study design properly structured you are welcome to submit to the Egyptian Rheumatologist Journal (Elsevier)
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CBD and THC are cannabis sourced moleculs. The use is authorised in some countries. Some associations tends to think that these are the future of fibromialgia treatments. What does the current and serious researchs actually says ?
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As the molecular mechanisms are the same in in vulvodynia and fibromyalgia, and the two often are co-morbid, this might be an answer:
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Would you consider/ have experience with Duloxetine for Fibromyalgia in Systemic Lupus Erythematosus (SLE) patients?
Or for depression/ anxiety in SLE patients?
Are there any reported effects in these patients in regard to fatigue?
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Are you sure you can diagnoze fibromyalgia in SLE?
SSRI, SNRI, Tricyclics are quite common in use in treatment of depression with coexisting pain in SLE.
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Does anyone have experience in the application of TMS in the following syndromes:
-fibromyalgia
-tinnitus
-tension-type headache.
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If I were to consider electrical treatment in these conditions (which I regard as aspects of a single syndrome, Meniere Spectrum Disorder) my first choice would be ECT. I believe ECT works by shocking the vestibular system, hence resetting its control over the autonomic nervous system and over the formulation of body image which is at the basis of pain control.
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Hello:
I have two doubts I hope anyone can help me with :)
1. Is there an actual difference between descriptive and interpretative phenomenology?
2. I am developing a mixed methods project with sequential exploratory design in which the results of the qualitative phase will serve to the development of an intervention that will be tested trought a quantitative phase. So, the objective of the QUAL phase is to explore how patients with fibromyalgia experience pain and poor sleep quality. Mainly, my objetive is to focus on the cognitive (meaning) and behavioral (symptom management strategies) factors related with pain and sleep in the context of fibromyalgia. DO YOU THINK A DESCRIPTIVE PHENOMENOLOGICAL INQUIRY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE?
Thank you :)
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I agree that phenomenology could be a good basis for an exploratory sequential design, but I personally do not think that mixed methods work on phenomenology shows much understanding about the varieties of phenomenology. Still, you might look at:
"Toward a conceptualization of mixed methods phenomenological research."
J Mayoh, AJ Onwuegbuzie - Journal of mixed methods research (2015).
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I am reviewing about fibromyalgia syndrome. Any specific standardized scale for assessment if present, please suggest.
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Great question. See the attached article, which reports that 97% of patients told they have fibromyalgia do not meet the diagnostic criteria, and have a host of treatable disorders which have been overlooked. For an accurate diagnosis of this disorder, the Diagnostic Paradigm from www.MarylandClinicalDiagnostics.com offers a complete history taking over the Internet. The questionnaire provides diagnoses with a 96% correlation with diagnoses of Johns Hopkins Hospital doctors. This is a good way to access if a patient does or does not have fibromyalgia.
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It has been discovered that microglias plays a key role in chronic pain related diseases such as Fibromyalgia. Some therapetic strategies are studied, such as Naltrexone that binds to Toll-Like Receptor 4 or Cannabidiol that is an indirect inverse agonist or Cannabioid Receptors. What are the different receptors expressed by microglias that are linked with chronic pain ?
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MAPK and cytokines in general are considered key factors in chronic pain, whereas they are linked to expressed microglia in chronic pain conditions.
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My lab uses commercially available ELISAs for human IL6 in serum. We have some fibromyalgia and Parkinson's disease human serum samples. For those two conditions, it has been reported elevated levels of IL6 in serum.
However, we couldn't detect any meaningful levels of serum IL6 in those patients. We have tried with two different company's ELISA kits (Thermo, and Ray Biotech) and one multiplex ELISA (Millipore), but couldn't figure out why the levels were undetectable.
We think this might be the levels of IL6 in serum is too low, which can't be measurable by common ELISAs. But, other studies in the literature seemed to find values quite easily from commercially available ELISAs. So, our second thought was some interaction between IL6 and serum matrix (or IL6 receptor, or unknown protein complex that hides the binding site of the antibody of ELISAs). Another thing might be some sample prep or transportation, but whenever we got samples, we aliquoted them and stored them at -80C right away.
Has anyone experienced anything similar? We've asked this to one of the ELISA companies. What a funny thing was that they said they weren't able to measure any levels of IL6 in serum in healthy controls (I don't know why they are selling their products.. haha..), but they have no results for fibromyalgia or Parkinson's disease.
Thanks!
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Have you checked the stability of IL6 in your samples? Do you measure them 'fresh' or after a certain storage time (what conditions) ?
Google IL6 stability
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Strong fibromyalgia can be very hard to live with.
Is there interesting findings that can show some hope for patients ?
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Most recent -and may be the most interesting- finding in Fibromyalgia
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I am looking for more qualitative information on fibromyalgia patients experiences of secondary care medical professionals.
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Hello Amanda,
Are these helpful?
Homma, M., Ishikawa, H., & Kiuchi, T. (2017). Illness perceptions and negative responses from medical professionals in patients with fibromyalgia: Association with patient satisfaction and number of hospital visits. Patient education and counseling.
Durif‐Bruckert, C., Roux, P., & Rousset, H. (2015). Medication and the patient–doctor relationship: a qualitative study with patients suffering from fibromyalgia. Health Expectations, 18(6), 2584-2594.
Is this recent enough, and relating sufficiently to 2ry care?:
Briones-Vozmediano, E., Vives-Cases, C., Ronda-Pérez, E., & Gil-González, D. (2013). Patients’ and professionals’ views on managing fibromyalgia. Pain Research and Management, 18(1), 19-24.
Very best wishes,
Mary
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Many patients with fibromyalgia are under diagnosed and under treated. Lyrica is becoming very popular as a treatment option but a significant number of persons cannot tolerate the side effects like drowsiness, light headedness etc. What other treatment option are available?
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Dr Babwah- There is one very serious consideration for patients with "fibromyalgia."
Tom Romano, MD former member of the American Rheumatology Association Committee to Establish the Diagnostics Criteria for Fibromyalgia, and I recently published an article, (attached) showing that of 38 patient ":diagnosed" with fibromyalgia, 37 of the 38 (97%) did not meet the diagnostic criteria. In those 37 incorrectly diagnosed patients, we found 133 other medical diagnoses, documented by objective medical tests, which had been missed by the referring physician. So I would entreat all physicians to familiarize themselves with the diagnostic criteria of fibromyalgia. Nelson Hendler, MD, MS former assistant professor neurosurgery Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, past president-American Academy of Pain Management
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I am an italian student and i am writing a thesis about the efficacy of DIT on Fibromyalgia patients.
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Try to find the title and authors from a paper that interest you and than access Sci-Hub.cc or Sci-Hub.io site. With DOI, URL or search string you can have it free from costs...
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 I have long thought there is a lot of information on "Pain"  which by definition has to have crossed a threshold to become cognitively experienced. 
However, using palpations such as Janet Travel taught, i see children who declare no pain, but leap when cranial and facial trigger points are pressed. 
I am not having much luck in finding research on the cumulative effects of this.  I suspect there must be many physiological processes involved in this sub-conscious level of  'almost' pain. 
David Zimmerman
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Please let me know if the following references/sites are useful to you:
Central Sensitization: A Generator of Pain Hypersensitivity by Central ...
by A Latremoliere - ‎2009 - ‎Cited by 1508 - ‎Related articles
Recruiting these subthreshold inputs to the output of a neuron markedly alters its .... Interestingly, nociceptor afferents innervating muscles or joints produce a ...
1.  Muscle Pain: Understanding the Mechanisms
Siegfried Mense, ‎Robert D. Gerwin - 2010 - ‎Medical
The strong sensitizing action of NGF-induced subthreshold potentials at the spinal level ... Nociceptive afferent fibers from muscle and other tissues possess ...
2.  Neurosurgery: The Essential Guide to the Oral and Clinical ...
Vivian A. Elwell, ‎Ramez Kirollos, ‎Syed Al-Haddad - 2014 - ‎Medical
Increased responsiveness of nociceptive neurons in the central nervous system to their normal or subthreshold afferent input. Increased responsiveness and ...
3.  Pain Medicine: An Essential Review - Page 433 - Google Books Result
R. Jason Yong, ‎Michael Nguyen, ‎Ehren Nelson - 2017 - ‎Medical
Nociceptive Neuron A central or peripheral neuron of the somatosensory nervous ... in the central nervous system to their normal or subthreshold afferent input.
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How are the autonomic regulation of the heart rate and other functions of the human body-the tone of the vessels, respiration, intestines, endocrine glands, etc., related to each other?
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Hi, that's a big question. Each of these functions is related to the other in very specific ways, and then they are connected in an ascending hierarchy of systems engaged in a wide variety of functions. You may however find reading up on the central autonomic network helpful. This is the brain and nervous system structure that coordinates autonomic aspects of all these physiological functions.
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Since my early career research focused on the search for biomarkers, particularly red blood cell Li-Na countertransport levels in bipolar patients and alcoholic patients, and many of my bipolar patients also had clinical complaints consistent with what is now called fibromyalgia; and my mid-career research focused more on the epidemiology and mental health aspects of HIV infection, through the Multicenter AIDS Cohort Study (the MACS), it is interesting to see other researchers interested in immune function in both affective disorders and fibromyalgia. Have you or any other researchers following your research also seen similarities in the immune profiles of patients with bipolar disorder and fibromyalgia and the state-dependent changes in immune markers?
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David, I fully agree that there is a connection between affective disorder and conditions characterized by fatigue and chronic pain, including fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, and cancer-related fatigue. And there is plenty of evidence suggesting that the immune system is a mediator. However, I would add to this the role of sleep, particularly REM sleep. It is well known that REM sleep suppression can rapidly reverse depressive symptoms, so one should ask if too much REM sleep (which is determined by our sleep behaviors) might cause depressive symptoms, including fatigue (see attached poster on fibromyalgia and sleep). Since sleep affects the immune system, and vice versa, I submit that the starting point for these conditions may be excessive sleep, especially morning sleep. A hypothesis for why this relationship may have evolved, can be found in the attached poster on cancer fatigue. 
All the best,
Henry Olders
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I had two patients with anal pain, probably proctalgia or anodynie with reporting of a burning or painfull sensation in the foot, mostly the sole.
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This is an interesting question. Maybe it is easier to answer with more information, e.g. is the anodynie a burning sensation too, or is it a different quality of pain? If both sensations are of burning quality, I would expect a neuropathy as the cause of painful sensation. Is the sensation chronic or does it only occur transiently in certain situations? Did the patients have other diseases, e.g. diabetic polyneuropathy? Did they take medication that might have caused this sensation as a side effect?
Based on the dermatome of the sole of the foot, one would expect L4 or S1, the anal region, on the other hand, is S3 to S5. You could be right that the proximity of the sacral nerves is responsible for this. Alternatively, you may consider the proximity of the genito-anal region and the foot in the somatosensory cortex (refer to map of neocortex).
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I am doing a qualitative report on what it is like to have Fibromyalgia. I plan on doing this research at the pain clinic at Rochester, MN. The sampling strategy will be a deliberate sampling strategy. I will be choosing participants from chronic pain patients circa twenty to thirty applicants. The criteria will be Fibromyalgia for at least one year.
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Fibromyalgia is a complex and complicated condition. 
I have patients who have had it for years.
the problems are
Psychological
Pain
Restricted mobility
Tiredness
Lack of support.
Lack of definitive treatment.
Lack of or inability to provide necessary support by NHS.
I am Locum Chronic Pain Consultant and Anaesthesiologist 
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Fatigue is, at least for SLE patients, one of the most important symptoms that interferes with daily activities or work. Apart from control of disease activity, what is your preferred treatment option? Do you use stimulants? 
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As has been outlined, fatigue is incredibly common and problematic for patients with SLE. It is likely to be multifactorial in aetiology. I would say the key things I tend to do in my practice is:
1. Most importantly ensure that lupus isn't active. However, it is common for fatigue to be problematic even in those with both clinically and serologically well controlled disease
2. Ask about sleep - sleep disturbance is incredibly common in lupus (reported by at least 2/3 patients)
3. Manage pain - pain often disrupts sleep. Co-exisiting fibromyalgia is also common. Amitriptyline can help (providing tolerated)
4. Identify any underlying metabolic disorders; such as anaemia (again common), hypothyroidism and vitamin D deficiency
5. Where possible reduce steroid dose
6. Encourage a regular paced exercise regime
7. I believe a lot of the initial work on Belimumab showed an improvement in fatigue scores and this may be an option if evidence of active disease
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Need to measure function instead of pain intensity in adolescents with fibromyalgia, migraines, chronic musculoskeletal pain, abd pain
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I would suggest caution in using function as a surrogate for pain (if that is your intention). Individuals may adjust function due to pain, and /or may continue to function at high levels inspite of pain. The Human capacity for soldiering on inspirte of pain is under appreciated in today's anti pain management climate. Finally, be cautious regarding underreported pain precisely because indiviiduals want to avoid labels or be looked at as a potential pain med "user". This is a very sad and unfortunate facet of today's media hyped anti pain management climate, and is a terrible commentary for those of us who fought s hard to make pain a key vital sign of health.
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I am looking for articles regarding celibacy (involuntary) and medical risks/outcomes. Particularly studies of RA, Fibromyalgia, and pain management. Main question: Does long term involuntary celibacy lead to negative health outcomes?
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I'm afraid the previous answers do not actually answer your question. Marriage and celibacy can be a direct correlation and an inverse correlation (depending upon the definition used). And priests may be celibate (not married and abstaining from sexual relationships) or not (abstaining from sexual relationships) but the intake survey will report celibate (but then you did ask "involuntary" which wouldn't apply to that population). I have not identified any publications addressing your question. Appears as if you have identified an area in need of further research. Good luck. I'll follow for updates.
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obviously theres a group of CFS'ERS AND ME/CFS'ERS that didn't get ill from viruses but instead became seceptable to them and re-activation of them and some were made ill by chemical exposures, now MCS and the sinus,olfactory,brain pathway, I think shows a whole other impact to the brain besides the stomach/bowel route. GWI has been reconized as TBI/PTSD, YET THERES STILL SO LITTLE POINTING TO THE SEVERITY OF BRAIN DAMAGE that turned my world upside down when I too fit into this box , I cant tell when my brain is affected by either route and no not all ME/CFS'ERS have the sinus/brain involvement witch is looking to not only be related to chronic rhinosinusitis but very possably severe Fibromyalgia.  I know we are getting there but gee, kind of would like to see it happen before I croak! obviously there are some in the know out there yet it seems limited to GWI research, very thankful for that but hey some of us are not GWV'S yet suffer from the same cause "chemical exposure" there's a few new articles out on MCS , one that addresses the hearing dysfunctions, can we get more articles out there that point to chemical exposures  and the tipping point (what I call it) where mast cells may suppress the immune system when they cant keep up and this allows  mucosal and tissue damage and infection to acure and not only play a role in autoimmunity but probably also the B cell switching to IgE. I can relate to both GWI and Autism ,have tried to keep up with research on both.
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désolée mais je n'ai pas de réponse
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It appears to us that the literature treating of Fibromyalgia and Mg efficacy has been derided in the literature as deriving from poorly-designed studies. We need more studies, shelved or not, to feed our greedy statistical monster for a meta-analysis proposal. 
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The answers to your doubts and questions should be sought and found in Psychosomatic and Somatopsychology because generally these types of diseases emerge from very depressed people with inferiority complexes, of guilt and of very anxious people extremely distressed.
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Fibrofog is a particular form of cognitive impairment descripted in patients affected by Primary Fibromyalgia . The cognitive pattern of Fibrofog is very different from the Alzheimer cognitive pattern (attentional memory versus episodic memory, for example....). 
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Good Morning:  I can't be absolutely certain but I started using the term in about 1995 based upon the symptoms seen in our practice and subsequent research subjects.  I know I contributed the term to the scientific panel put together by the Canadian Government in 2000.  Reference attached.
Anil Kumar Jain, Bruce M. Carruthers, Marjorie I. van de Sande, Stephen R. Barron, C.C. Stuart Donaldson, James V. Dunne, Emerson Gingrich, Dan S. Heffez, Frances Y. -K. Leung, Daniel G. Malone, Thomas J. Romano, I. Jon Russell, David Saul, Donald G. Seibel. The Fibromyalgia Syndrome: A Clinical Case Definition for Practitioners. Article: Canadian Clinical Working Case Definition, Diagnostic and Treatment Protocols - A Consensus Document. Journal of Musculosketal Pain. Vol.11 #4
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Whats the latest evidence on the role of dietary factors in fibromyalgia? anybody working in this area?
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Hi everyone, I hope not to create more confussion but I do not agree with the fact that a gluten free diet could be useful for all fibromyalgia patients. In the same review it is also sayd that the prevalence of Celiac Disease in fibromyalgia is not higher than in general population, so it is not correct to generalize an aspect that appears just in a part of fibromyalgia patients. This is just what profesionals are trying to avoid. 
This article also concluded : "A treatment programme including weight loss strategies, nutritional education, specific dietary interventions and the use of targeted nutritional supplements is recommended for patients suffering from fibromyalgia"
I also let you two articles with could be interesting for you
Arranz L-I, Canela M-A, Rafecas M. Fibromyalgia and nutrition, what do we know? Rheumatol Int 2010;30:1417–27. doi:10.1007/s00296-010-1443-0.
Arranz L-I, Canela M-Á, Rafecas M. Dietary aspects in fibromyalgia patients: results of a survey on food awareness, allergies, and nutritional supplementation. Rheumatol Int 2012;32:2615–21. doi:10.1007/s00296-011-2010-z.
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Anyone know what relationship Hypercholesterolemia with fibromyalgia?
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A female patient who is 25 years old and healthy, has been presenting with right upper abdominal pain periodically for years. This pain was very seldom until a traumatic experience over a year ago. At this time, the pain became more frequent. A year ago, ultrasound showed gallbladder sludge and a HIDA scan refraction of 52%. A year later, patient developed nausea and vomiting along with increased pain. New ultrasound images showed a gallbladder polyp and a HIDA scan refraction of 30%. Testing also showed slight gastroparesis. Patient has a high family history of gallbladder disease especially in young women. She also has fibromyalgia which her rhuematologist has noted her to feel symptomatic before test results show up for multiple issues. Would gallbladder removal be the best first step? (Please note, medical system being used is known for delaying treatment to the point where some patients cannot recover unless a patient advocates for his or her self.)
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I disagreed completely.
Gall bladder pain is most frequently epigastric. Polyp is by no means an indication for cholecystectomy, neither sludge.
In fact, the most probable diagnosis is depression, also responsible for fibromyalgia.
I suggest to test the tenderness of abdominal wall (skin, sub-cutaneous and muscular) and sternum. If positive, pain must be due to abnormal pain filtration and not lesional.
Some good questions like quality of sleep, fatigue… have to be asked.
For more details see my book (in french) and his joined abstract.
"La Dépression et son traitement : aspects méconnus". L'Harmattan Paris 2011
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The association/ correlation/ <relationship between allergy and anxiety involves states rather than only traits, > - yes, it's there, and it's deeper than people know.
From an individual viewpoint: what doctors call 'anxiety' is often just 'agitation', and correlates with physiological agitation, which they call 'hyperactive' or 'reactive' or 'allergic' (depending on their chosen markers)... these are just names, names for high-energy function, or 'high-function' or 'sur-vival' function. There is another way of looking at this, without the partial names.
These "states" that "change" are exactly what a basic geometric modelling can describe effectively, as a fluid modification or distorsion; this why I developed a method of 'basic topology' for this (topology describes distorsions, large & trans-Formative in mathematical topology, small in geometric topology, with deformation).
The many triggers can be physical or human, external or internal, and their variety, like the many names, can be categorised systematically (using logical 'perspectives'); I developed a method for this too; the whole they constitute is an 'Ecology of Health'.
The changing states may become set as traits and this involves certain topologic properties. This is linked to notions of 'dose related effects' (with "paradoxes" such as that of Serotonin reactions), and to notions of reversible or irreversible linked to a process similar to wormholes in physics (passing through a double-sided surface, described also in ancient traditions, with archaic words, and earlier with images of a geometric style). Details of triggers can take forever to map intellectually, and individually require an uncommon degree of self-awareness (sensing one's physiological reactions after noticing influences external and internal), so a higher-order logic using 'perspectival' categorisation for qualitative description and basic geometric topology for modelling how it works is quicker, shows both origins and ends of the developing symptoms, also in a more general way as applied to the drift in human health (and sanity and supposedly non-animal behaviour); it leads to find options more easily, and requires far less research budgets. Yet none at all is devoted to this.
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Dear Marika,
Very recognizable, as what you describe overlaps with my own work on The Language of Emotions - based on ayurvedic psychology. Modern science describes these as anomalies, as the mechanisms cannot be described adequately from its scientific paradigm.
Ancient Science, which is the perspective from where I practice science, uses a paradigm that describes the experience in much technical detail. What you describe as "allergic" or "high energy function", can be researched and described in much more detail. At the time individuals are overly triggered by different sources, internal or external, the expression of different inner responses become sympathodominant and develop into a clinical image in six stages. 
A very productive approach that has helped many people that I've guided, is to help them become aware of the mechanisms that underlie the symptoms and or pathology. My research has led me to understand that mentioned mechanisms are made up of a combination of three inner bio-behavioral responses that follow certain language-like patterns. The Language of Emotions offers an introspective framework that facilitates recognizing and integrating the effects of these bio-behavioral responses. When these responses become objectively visible they're referred to as emotional responses and coping stratagems. But, the physical symptoms are created by the sustained bio-behavioral responses that express as contractions (fear-control)), burning (sadness-anger) and blocks (rejection-disassociation). I have described how these responses can form patterns that unfold in sequence and or are layered.
When sustained these responses create various symptoms according to one's hereditary genetic code that indicates one's sensitive areas that are more prone to the expression of imbalance and discomfort. In the case of e.a. skin allergies the area of the Skin is more prone to expression of the responses. Allergies in The Language of Emotions refers to an overwhelming sense of sadness/anger and or frustration, that cannot be processed and integrated. The affected area can be an expression of various compounding responses viz. tension (fear-loss of control), blocked (rejection-isolation) and or heat (sadness-anger). The theme always relates to earlier trauma in relating to others through touch/affection. And because the underlying pain is not recognized these protective mechanisms (fear, sadness and rejection) that normally keep the pain away from the conscious mind, continually influence one from beneath the conscious level, creating the symptoms of allergy. When sustained, the individual progressively looses his/her dynamic capacity to seek balance, or the symptoms may worsen.      
Showing individuals through a system of "internal feedback" how these mechanisms work allows them to process what wants to be seen, facilitating integration on all levels and domains of life experience, from the inside-out. This leads to higher levels of cognitive, affective and psychomotor adaptation, which I refer to as "Inner Resiliency).
My upcoming evidence-based research is oriented towards validating what I have described above. I welcome your ideas and contributions.
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-patient diagnosed with fibromyalgia
-tooth 35 was treated endodontically because of pain (altough the vitality tests were normal)
-patient still feels pain that evolved into a pain on percussion
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Sure but if the tooth was treated perfect and without any problem.
You must check the tooth with bit check for vertical fracture or additional canal.
Sincerely 
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Have read various articles, but have so far found deviance between studies and results. Some studies say there is a connection, others not. At the very least, fibromyalgia patients seem to have a higher prevalence of thyroid disease and vice versa
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Dear Anne
I send two manuscript
Best wishes
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I am looking for a validated tool that can identify muscle pain or myalgias as major predominat factor in chronic pain patients? Are there any such questionairres used in fibromyalgia research for example? 
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currently there is no validated questionnaire that can distinguish muscles over other sources of pain.  Physical exam still remains the most relabel way of establishing myalgia or fibromyalgia.
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Young woman with fibromyalgia syndrome presented with significant postural hypotension and severe intractable headache and anxiety.
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We observe that many cases of headache in fibromyalgia patients are caused by the presence of tender points in the fascial region, particularly in cheek, orbital, and occipital region. These tender points often mimic "true" migraine pain. In such cases medical massage performer by experienced in fibromyalgia physiotherapist may markedly improve symptoms. In our opinion in the localization of tender points thermography can be helpful, as it indicates "cold regions". Complementary measures include: cold avoidance and warm (sometimes sleeping in cap may be helpful).
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As a general practitionner mostly, and holding a vacation in a pain unit in hospital, I frequently ask myself which is the impact of telling to a patient "you have fribomyalgia" on further care, knowing that there is no specific treatment for this syndrome about which we have no proof of a specific disease reality.
One of our student want to make his end of studies research on this theme, but we don't have the capacity of making a cohort. We are searching if there is a study design that would allows us to help to answer this question, may be somebody here has an idea ?
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Fibromyalgia is very interesting syndrome because treating it combines several knowledge areas such as pain perception physiology and physiopathology, stress response physiology and disorders, emotional aspects of chronic pain, depression and anxiety as comorbitidies, and others. This is a challenge for a good clinician. I am a rheumatologist but I think this syndrome is defying a complete doctor. Fibromyalgia is teaching us to be "doctors" again. 
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I would like to include a patient in my walking program. However, he has fibromyalgia and experiences pain in his legs. Can he still gets benefits from walking? What training recommendations would you make?
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Hi,
We tested a FM school that included exercise in group of patients with different clinical tableau and found that, as stated by dr Rey here, that starting slowly and increasing the intensity at a slow pace is working very well. Most of the patient had a persistent pain reduction at the end of the program. We also realized that the type of exercise doesn't seem to be important as long as it fit with the patient interest.
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I am getting reading for my dissertation and need some guidance. Thank you.
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a method combining qualitative and quantitative, to assess subjective and objective changes. Make sure you do not exclude negative results, and discuss also the criteria defining FM and their being changed. I would add a specific method to understand the effects of brain activation on local functions in the body.
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I need to know the prevalence of Fibromyalgia in Dutch society. Any information or suggested literature?
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Thanks a lot Dr Joseph for the link. I am so grateful.
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Low blood pressure (neurally mediated hypotension) is common in many fibromyalgia patients. Neurally mediated hypotension (NMH) occurs when there is an abnormal reflex interaction between the heart and the brain, both of which usually are structurally normal. NMH is also known by the following names: the fainting reflex, neurocardiogenic syncope, vasodepressor syncope, the vaso-vagal reflex, and autonomic dysfunction.
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Dysautonomia in patients with Fibromyalgia, which is likely result from the dysfunction of the autonomic nervous system. Orthostatic hypotension may respond to intake of water, and increased dietary salt, although it will occasionally require the addition of a mineralocorticoid. Moreover, cardiac rhythm dysautonomia is viewed more as a marker of this condition than as a symptom requiring intervention.
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I want to uncover the newest ways of alleviating the symptoms of Fibromyalgia.
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I would suggest reviewing the article Mitochondrial Myopathy Presenting as Fibromyalgia: a Case Report which has a protocol of non-pharmaceutical supplementation that resulted in a resolution of FM symptoms. http://www.jmedicalcasereports.com/content/6/1/55 It would bear further research into whether FM is actually a disease of mitochondrial dysfunction (either acquired or inherited) and/or if a portion of sufferers with FM have an incorrect diagnosis. In the scientific literature can be found research on the presence of ragged red fibers found via muscle biopsy in some people with FM and is also a clinical feature in cases of mitochondrial myopathy. Interestingly the non-pharmaceutical supplementary protocols that seem to benefit FM sufferers are also used to help those with mitochondrial myopathy. I don't believe this is a coincidence. Another correlation is that there is a 2:1 ratio of women to men who have FM. Could this be related to the fact that any defects of the mitochondrial genes within mtDNA inherited solely from the mother might express more often in female offspring? One other parallel seems to be the problem with exercise intolerance in both cases of FM and those with disorders of mitochondrial function.
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The fact is there's little scientific evidence to support any single eating plan as a way to deal with fibromyalgia. Nevertheless, a trip around the Internet will show that dietary approaches to fibromyalgia abound, is there any basis for dietary management?
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One of the factors that may contribute to the lack of scientific study on dietary management for FMS is that, even if a clear protocol was developed, it would not be a money-maker. Nevertheless, if we look at what studies are revealing about the pathophysiology of FMS, there is evidence of changes that could be addressed through diet.
From a clinical standpoint, I think there are several bases for dietary management in fibromyalgia. Here are a few:
1) to correct nutrient deficiencies such as magnesium, iron and tryptophan. Studies showing nutrient deficiencies found in FMS patients:
2) as an adjunct to orthomolecular treatments that optimize the Krebs cycle and mitochondrial function. Studies showing mitochondrial support is needed:
3) as a means by which to achieve blood sugar stabilization. Studies that show that blood sugar levels and/or insulin sensitivity may be an issue in FMS patients:
Since many diets have the capacity to deal with the three areas of concern highlighted above, I think it's unlikely that a single dietary approach will be hailed as a cure, but that's good because FMS patients are individuals, and the more effective options they have, the better.
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Diet and Fibromyalgia.
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I have also had FMS for most of my life. I find that I, and my FMS patients, do best with foods that fall in the low - moderate range of the glycemic index.
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A neighborhood magazine featured a story on MTHFR mutants and the regulation of folate. According to the article, Fibromyalgia is on of the syndromes associated with MTHFR gene mutations. Any validity to this?
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There is one paper that links MTHFR with fibromyalgia but I am unaware of any that implicitly link the polymorphisms of this gene with ME/CFS. The gene is linked to temporomandibular joint disorders in 1 paper as well.
Fibromyalgia, mood disorders, and intense creative energy: A1AT polymorphisms are not always silent
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Some researchers believe it's the constant pain of fibromyalgia that causes sleep interruptions. Others have found evidence that fibromyalgia may be related to an abnormality of deep sleep.
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I'd heard that there are alpha spikes during delta sleep, also relationships between periodic limb movement disorders and FM - and that these may be part of the development of the disorder, but also may resolve if the pain is reduced (not that it often is!).
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An article in the Wall St Journal published yesterday spotlighted the huge increase in cases of heartburn in the U.S. However a large subset of modern patients are unresponsive to the standard of care Proton-pump inhibitors and when endoscopies are carried out there is little sign of acid erosion. Because of this the condition is being dubbed non-erosive reflux disease - or NERD - which experts believe accounts for 50% to 70% of patients with gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD), the classic cause of heartburn.
My question: is NERD just irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) of the esophagus?
According to the article NERD patients are younger and more frequently female- the population most at risk of IBS. NERD patients have the symptoms of GERD but without evidence of tissue damage/ IBS patients have the symptoms of Irritable bowel disease (IBD) but without the tissue damage.
NERD and IBS are both diagnosed by a process of elimination and dubbed 'functional disorders.'
In both NERD and IBS stress is a leading factor. Traditional medications do not work but trycyclic antidepressants can offer some relief.
They are modern conditions on the rise, but with an unknown etiology. Is it the same disorder affecting divergent regions of the G.I. Tract? And if so what common denominator is the cause?
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In my experience the NERD is most frequently associated with IBS-C. Since I am primarily a clinician, I go back to my old past experience, when it was still in use cisapride,a potent prokinetic now withdrawn from the market due to serious cardiac side effects. Patients with both diseases (NERD and IBS-C) had often benefit for both disorders during therapy with cisapride.
So I think that both conditions (NERD and IBS) are part of a similar entity disease, related to dysmotility.
The new prokinetic drugs in pre-clinical phase should be tested also in this light.
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Vitamin D deficiency has been reported as being common in fibromyalgia and occurs more frequently in patients with anxiety and depression.
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Vitamin D deficiency is associated with anxiety and depression in fibromyalgia.
Fibromyalgia is a complex problem in which symptoms of anxiety and depression feature prominently. Low levels of vitamin D have been frequently reported in fibromyalgia, but no relationship was demonstrated with anxiety and depression. Seventy-five Caucasian patients who fulfilled the ACR criteria for fibromyalgia had serum vitamin D levels measured and completed the Fibromyalgia Impact Questionnaire (FIQ) and Hospital Anxiety and Depression Score (HADS). Deficient levels of vitamin D was found in 13.3% of the patients, while 56.0% had insufficient levels and 30.7% had normal levels. Patients with vitamin D deficiency (<25 nmol/l) had higher HADS [median, IQR, 31.0 (23.8-36.8] than patients with insufficient levels [25-50 nmol/l; HADS 22.5 (17.0-26.0)] or than patients with normal levels [50 nmol/l or greater; HADS 23.5 (19.0-27.5); Kruskal-Wallis ANOVA on ranks p<0.05]. There was no relationship with global measures of disease impact or musculoskeletal symptoms. Vitamin D deficiency is common in fibromyalgia and occurs more frequently in patients with anxiety and depression. The nature and direction of the causal relationship remains unclear, but there are definite
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Evidence also suggests that cognitive-behavioral therapy can help some patients with fibromyalgia.
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There is good meta-analytic evidence (see Glombiewski in Pain, 2010) that CBT is effective in the management of fibromyalgi.
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I need to give the most effective ttt from the musculoskeletal physiotherpy point of view. Thanks in advance
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I agree with the colleagues above. Fibromyalgia is a chronic condition that has to be managed and there is little margin for "cure". Patients with this diagnosis are also very dissimilar: you can find people with better or worse physical condition that will require different kinds of tailored exercise programs. In all cases of physical inactivity I belive that physiotherapists should promote a healthy lifestyle including: rest, diet, and physical activity (not necessarily exercise).
My experience from swedish patients has led me to believe that except exercise the other treatment that can be beneficial is body awareness. You could use any body awareness therapy you prefer: basic body awareness therapy, yoga, qi-gong, tai-qi etc.
The final recommendation I can make is for treatment in group format. It can be very meaningful for the patient to find that there are others out there with similar symptoms. I am very positive to pain-management programs especially when care-givers with different backgrounds participate (multi-modal). Good results can be produced when you have a team with physician, physiotherapist, nurse, psychologist, occupational therapist etc all working together. Chronic pain conditions often lead to psychological problems. It's a vicious circle of fibromyalgia leading to withdrawal (inability to work, inability to participate in regular daily life activities) that creates loss identity and depression. Depression will lead to increases in pain and disability.
When we cannot "cure" a condition it becomes even more important to educate patients in how to manage their condition.
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Some researchers have shown that fibromyalgia sufferers can not reach the most important level four sleep.
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This type of antidepressant has some factors in common with both tricyclics and SSRIs. It appears to be more effective as a sedative than other antidepressants and is often used as a sleep aid. There are many anectdotal reports if it helping fibromyalgia. The study below offers (1) some additional details of the effects of Trazodone in fibromyalgia.
1. Morillas-Arques et al. Trazodone for the treatment of fibromyalgia: an open-label, 12-week study BMC Musculoskeletal Disorders 2010, 11:204
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I am interested in the use of acupuncture in the management of fibromyalgia patients... any leads or experiences please post!
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I will take a look at your site - thanks...
It's so difficult for a non-TCM trained clinician to embrace the concepts that underpin TCM-acupuncture. My interests lie in the neurophysiologic basis for acupuncture which is an expanding area of research. As far as the research goes fibro does appear to be a central nervous system disorder which can be clearly modulated with opioid blockers. Work at Stanford in the US has opened the doors to acupuncture as a method of resetting the sensitiity of the CNS and improving fibro symptoms... However, this is where the TCM theories come into conflict with the 'scientific' approach... However, clinically speaking... what ever works... Works! No matter how you explain it.