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I have a doubt from the conceptual point of view, I have seen that none of the flow equations take into account the temperature.
I have analyzed the subject and I have seen that the temperature increase helps to lower the energy consumption of the equipment, but as for the flow maintaining the same RPM of the screw, I have seen that it affects the flow by pressure, but this is compensated by the flow in the extruder head. So the flow rate should not change, at least in theory with the equations.
Am I right or am I missing something?
Thank you very much.
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Your observation is astute. While many flow equations for polymer extrusion don't explicitly include temperature as a variable, its influence is significant and indirectly accounted for in several ways:
1. Viscosity:
  • Temperature-dependent viscosity: The most direct effect of temperature is on the viscosity of the polymer. Higher temperatures reduce viscosity, making the polymer flow more easily.
  • Indirect inclusion in flow equations: While viscosity might not appear explicitly in some equations, it's often a key parameter that influences the flow rate and pressure.
2. Pressure Compensation:
  • Extruder head flow: As you correctly noted, an increase in temperature can lead to a slight increase in pressure due to the reduced viscosity. However, the extruder head is designed to compensate for this by adjusting its flow rate.
  • Dynamic equilibrium: The system reaches a new equilibrium where the increased pressure from the extruder is balanced by the increased flow rate through the head.
3. Screw RPM and Flow Rate:
  • Constant RPM: While maintaining a constant screw RPM generally results in a constant flow rate, temperature can influence the specific characteristics of the flow.
  • Flow profile: The flow profile within the extruder can change due to temperature-induced viscosity variations, potentially affecting factors like mixing and distribution of additives.
4. Energy Consumption:
  • Reduced power consumption: The primary reason for operating at higher temperatures is to reduce the power consumption of the extruder. Lower viscosity means less energy is required to overcome the resistance to flow.
In essence, while temperature isn't explicitly included in many flow equations, its impact is significant and is accounted for indirectly through factors like viscosity, pressure compensation, and flow profile.
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We are recylcling rPVC with a proprietary formulation that, among other things, contains DOP and wax. The pellets immediately stick together when they are cut by the cutter and form a string (imagine the beads in a rosary.) This is problematic becauase the product should be in pellet form not string. How could we solve this problem?
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Add a cooling steam of air at the cutting die
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What are the characteristics of the method for preparing high molecular weight polylactic acid by reaction extrusion?
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Reactive extrusion for preparing high molecular weight polylactic acid continuously enhances material properties through controlled temperature, functionalization, and chain extension. This method offers environmental benefits and improves mechanical strength and thermal stability.
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I am preparing liposomes using a membrane extruder.
The procedure is well-known and descibed extensively in the literature:
1. I start with a solution of the lipid in chloroform, then evaporate the chloroform. At this stage I know the mass of the lipid M.
2. I add buffer (volume V) and make several freeze-thaw cycles with vortexing.
3. The resulting mixture goes to extruder and becomes transparent upon several extrusion cycles.
What it the resulting concentration of the lipid? It should be lower than M/V due to adsorption of the lipid onto the membrane and the inner surface if the glass syringes. But what is the typical concentraion loss? Is it 10-15% of M/V?
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A phosphate assay measures the concentration of phosphate ions in a sample. Since phospholipids contain phosphate groups, this type of assay can be used to indirectly quantify lipid levels.
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Where can i get the derivation of polymer screw extrusion process equation?
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Books:
· Chris Roosendaal; Polymer Extrusion; (2014); 5th Edition; Hanser Publishers, Munich; ISBN 978-1-56990-516-6 E-Book ISBN 978-1-56990-539-5
· Pierre G. Lafleur, Bruno Vergnes; (2014). Polymer Extrusion (1st ed.). Wiley. https://www.perlego.com/book/1001487
Articles:
· Lewandowski, A., & Wilczyński, K. (2022). Modeling of Twin Screw Extrusion of Polymeric Materials. https://doi.org/10.3390/polym14020274.
· Kadyirov, A., Gataullin, R., & Karaeva, J. (2019). Numerical Simulation of Polymer Solutions in a Single-Screw Extruder. https://doi.org/10.3390/app9245423.
· Roland, W., Kommenda, M., Marschik, C., & Miethlinger, J. (2019). Extended Regression Models for Predicting the Pumping Capability and Viscous Dissipation of Two-Dimensional Flows in Single-Screw Extrusion. https://doi.org /10. 3390/ polym11020334.
· Roland, W., Marschik, C., Kommenda, M., Haghofer, A., Dorl, S., & Winkler, S. (2021). Predicting the Non-Linear Conveying Behavior in Single-Screw Extrusion: A Comparison of Various Data-Based Modeling Approaches used with CFD Simulations. https://doi.org/10.1515/ipp-2020-4094.
· Lin, Y., & Lee, G. (1997). System Identification for State Feedback Integral Observer Control of Polymer Plastic Extrusion. https://doi.org/10.1080/03602559708000659.
· Nasyrova, S., & Kaufman, I. (1966). Extruder flow. https://doi.org/10.1007/BF00859982.
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What is the typical viscosity range for ceramic pastes used for the Direct Ink Writing (extrusion) process? I have read several articles, and all give different figures; I saw somewhere else that between 20 Pa.s and 50 Pa.s is ideal. What is your answer to this?
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I think that Professor Jennifer A Lewis at Harvard University has published extensively on this, so her papers may be a good source for you?
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Hi dear all,
Is there any way to reduce the MFI for Epdm/pp blends with Phenolic Resin? It is desired to be operated in extrusion yet, the material has high flow rates so we would like to alternate it while keeping mechanical properties as it is.
So far, the additive level adjustment seems to be the most common answer.
Thanks in advance,
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Adding phenolic resin in various concentrations during processing can affect the processing and mechanical properties of PP-EPDM-NBR blends. Recycled PP content increases the mechanical properties and flow index of PP/EPDM blends, but affects the impact strength. Carbon-black-filled NR/EPDM and NR/R-EPDM blends decrease tensile strength and elongation at break with increasing weight ratio of virgin EPDM or R-EPDM in the blend. Adding 1.5 vol% organoclay to PP/EPDM blend improved oxygen and carbon dioxide barrier properties about two-fold. Incorporating 10 phr epoxy phenolic resin (EPR) into EPDM composites enhances ablative properties by two folds and increases interfacial shear strength by 55.6%.
Phenol-formaldehyde resins (resols) are preferred crosslinking agents for dynamic vulcanization of blends of polypropylene and ethylene-propylene-diene rubber (PP/EPDM) for the production of thermoplastic vulcanizates (TPVs). Modifying phenolic resin with vinyl triethoxysilane (VTES) can reduce the MFI for EPDM/PP blends by removing glass transition and reducing the diameter of PF phase. Dynamic crosslinking with phenolic resin and tin chloride significantly improves tensile strength and tear strength in EPDM/PP blends. Blends with phenolic curing system exhibit superior mechanical and thermal aging properties, making them suitable for high-temperature engineered products.
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The problem is hot extrusion of Ti-6Al-4V from circular section to ellipse section the solver is coupled-temp-displacement 4 steps are defined first one is for diagnosing the contact from ABAQUS by moving the material 1mm down and second one for moving the material to complete the extrusion and third one is defined to deactivate the interaction between die and part and fourth is defined to apply convection and radiation to part for simulating the cooling I'm using ALE method for this problem. Please help me to resolve the error. The error occurs in the second step where the ALE is defined. I have modeled 1/4 of the whole model to reduce the elements number.
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A singular matrix can result from an underconstrained problem where the number of equations is less than the number of unknowns. Ensure that your model is adequately constrained.
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how long should the land in a plastic cable extrusion die should be?
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Hello everyone, I am learning how to drawing geometry earth dam on flac 3d. I have a problem with bad blocks. I cant make zone because notification says "bad blocks". I started draw 2d geometry dam on extrusion pane then i use autozone tool and blocking tool. And then i extrude the geometry. I do the same thing when i draw geometry canyon. After dam and canyon have extruded, i go to building blocks and combine the dam and canyon so there are intersection between dam and canyon blocks.
Have I done the right steps? could anyone tell me the right step for drawing 3d geometry dam and canyon? Thank you
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You can draw the model geometry in Auto CAD and enter as a input in FLAC 3D.
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I make a masterbatch by mixing polyethylene and zeolite 4a with different concentrations and using a typical industrial extruder machine. Sometimes the extruded granules change color to orange about an hour after being extruded. I can not find a reason why.
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You start with a white PE that turns orange after mixing with zeolites? Sounds like a chemical reaction with additives. There will definitly be phenolic antioxidants in your PE. Do you know what additives are in your PE?
Have a look at e.g.:
Effect of Phenolic Antioxidants System on Yellowing of Amorphous Poly-?-olefin (researchgate.net)
Discoloration of polymers by phenolic antioxidants | Request PDF (researchgate.net)
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Hi every one,
We have extruded the flour derived from acorn seed. We found about 15% increase in the crude proteins content measured based on the Kjeldal method protein to nitrogen. There are numerous reports based on the no changes in protein content of extruded flour, and I am looking for the reason of observed increase.
The experiment repeated several times to be sure about the result and every time we observed an increase in proteins content,
I will be appreciated if someone can help me that!
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This is quite interesting situation if it is true.
I would suggest to go for methods like biurate and other colorimetric/spectrometric procedures for confirmation of the results.
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Al 6063 is very famous for hot extrusion process in the manufacturing industry. I would like to study about the physical and microstructural changes happened in side during this process.
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Hot extrusion is not a type of creep failure, but it involves a process that shares some similarities with creep. Let me break it down for you:
Hot Extrusion Process:Hot extrusion is a manufacturing process where a material, often a metal or alloy like Al 6063, is forced through a die at an elevated temperature. The material is typically heated to a temperature above its recrystallization temperature but below its melting point. This allows for plastic deformation and shaping of the material.
Creep:Creep is a phenomenon associated with the slow, time-dependent deformation of materials under a constant load or stress at elevated temperatures. In creep, the material undergoes deformation over an extended period, and it is often observed in materials subjected to high temperatures and constant stress.
Relationship Between Hot Extrusion and Creep:While hot extrusion is not a type of creep failure, the process does involve plastic deformation of the material at elevated temperatures, and some aspects may resemble creep behavior. Here are a few points of comparison:
  1. High Temperature:Both hot extrusion and creep occur at elevated temperatures. In hot extrusion, the elevated temperature is intentionally applied to facilitate plastic deformation without causing fracture.
  2. Time-Dependent Deformation:Creep is characterized by time-dependent deformation, and although the time scales are different, hot extrusion also involves deformation over a finite period.
  3. Plastic Deformation:In both cases, the material undergoes significant plastic deformation. However, the driving force and purpose of the deformation are different.
Differences:
  1. Purpose and Loading:Hot extrusion is a manufacturing process designed to shape and form a material for a specific purpose, such as producing complex shapes or profiles. Creep, on the other hand, is typically an undesired deformation that can lead to failure over time.
  2. Stress Conditions:In hot extrusion, the material experiences compressive stresses due to the extrusion process, whereas creep is often associated with tensile or constant load conditions.
  3. Controlled Process vs. Uncontrolled Deformation:Hot extrusion is a controlled manufacturing process, whereas creep is often an undesirable and uncontrolled deformation that can lead to failure.
In summary, while hot extrusion and creep both involve deformation at elevated temperatures, they serve different purposes and have distinct characteristics. Hot extrusion is a controlled manufacturing process, whereas creep is an undesired phenomenon that can lead to failure over time.
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I am trying to mesuare intracellular ROS with DCF dye in isolated lung cells from mice that have been treated with LPS for three days. The problem is that I have lower ROS production in LPS-treated mice than in naive mice, when it should be higher. We incubate the cells with 10 uM DHCF for 30 min at 37 degrees, then we wash the cells and mesuare the fluorescence by flow cytometry. Maybe there is another way to do it or there is something happening with the mitochondria? Maybe LPS induce mitochondria extrusion from the cell and we can not detect fluorescence?
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Depends on the concentrations you are using. Low exposure levels could be stimulating the ROS scavenging pathways while the low dose is not generating as much ROS causing lower total ROS. I would suggest transfecting with roGFP reporter plasmids and seeing if you get the same result.
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Hi Guys,
LM25TF material is welded with Aluminum extrusion 6061 T6 material?
Please suggest i can use any LM material for 6061T6..
Thanks
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Al4043 will be a better option. I have performed welding of Al6061T6 with this filler wire in the MIG process and it worked fine.
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Hello .
i need to articles or resources about ''Parameter affecting in extrusion 3D printing process of ceramics scaffolds
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You may want to check answers to a somewhat related question at this forum for its possible interest: «What are the most important parameters controlling the extrusion of pastes?»; https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_are_the_most_important_parameters_controlling_the_extrusion_of_pastes
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Hi, how can I calculate the carbon footprint from an extrusion process? I have energy consumption (kWh/kg). Is there a way? or software that I can use to do that? thanks #carbonfootprint #energy #sustainability #extrusion
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In principle you need to find how the energy was produced in the first place. Depending on types of power plants and other energy providers processes, the GHG emissions vary.
Also have a look at the following paper for more theoretical background:
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There is so much confusing content about torque calculations of single screw extruder system. I am unable to figure out which is right or wrong. I need a little bit help regarding torque calculations for single screw extruder system for PLA.
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We are designing the single screw extruder to make filament for 3-D printing. We do not have the value of power as we have to select the motor with appropriate torque and standard rating from the market particularly based on the values of the calculation we made for torque and power. So how can I apply this formula? Suresh Ahuja
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Anyone working with QFORM software please guide me to re-run the simulation process after modifying the input parameters. or please suggest some alternate solution to continue with the simulation without losing previous result
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I'm new to the drawing process and I'm looking for the software QForm to conduct some analysis in my research.
I would like to know where I can find the software to download?
Deendayal Kumar or Karim Amellal do you have the instalation setup of this software to share with me?
Thanks in advance!
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During the extrusion of the Aluminum 5052 alloy billet, I need to know the following relationships for a smooth uniform and defects-free inner surface of the extruded tube.
1. Bore diameter of the hollow billet Vs the mandrel diameter (bore should be smaller, equal or greater than mandrel)
2. Bore diameter of hollow billet to the length of the billet.
3. Outer diameter to Length ratio of the billet
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without proper dimensional inputs (billet dia, required dia, number of passes, required surface finish in microns, etc) ... it is not easy for anyone to answer your question ...
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Hello everyone
I Load apolipoprotein on extracellular vesicles (EVs).
After centrifuging, I have EVs, apolipoprotein, and also loaded apolipoprotein. How I can separate them?
And also confirm that?
Thanks for your suggestions.
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after doing centrifugation collect the solid layer and go with that.
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Which one is better for having a PTFE liner with a thickness of 50 micrometers, Film casting, or Extrusion over the wire?
I need references for studying extrusion over the wire for very thin tubes
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Thank you, dear Dr. Babawati
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I have been trying to find a relationship between lignocellulosic biomass characteristics and its potential to be used for pretreatment in a twin-screw extruder (TSE) for bioethanol production. However, all the variables I find being analyzed for TSE are mostly about the process parameters, such as screw configuration, water content, screw rotation, etc.
Has anyone ever seen/done any research in which these process parameters are based on the composition/structure (any characteristic) of the feedstock?
Would the biomass characteristics be able to give an idea of what kind of process parameters would be ideal to process such feedstock?
Many thanks in advance for any information.
Kind regards,
Claudio Lira 
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Treatment of Lignocellulosic stock for bioethanol production requires removal of lignin barrier from Cellulose. Lignin has glassy transition temperature about 170 degrees centigrade.(Please get it reconfirmed as I have been out of touch with the subject for very long time). Heating biomass to the desired temperature and heating time are important parameters for pre-treatment of biomass.
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Dear Researchers :
Does someone know something, or is acquainted with the issue of "Flow Lines" (also called "Flow Marks" or "Streaks") on the extrusion process of insulation layers on Electric Cables.
I am investigating about this defect,
Why cause them ? How can be eliminates ? What are the factors to make them appear on the cable ? Etc.
Kindly, Franklin U.
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Flow lines, streaks or flow marks are the result of flow instability that occur when the the rate of shear acting becomes higher that a critical value. Due to higher rate of shear the melt experiences higher normal stress differences causing die swell + sudden change in the temperature after melt comes out of extrusion + the adhesion between melt and die surface combine to give streaks.
Dr. B R Gupta
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Dear Researchers :
I have this question and I have an hypothesis:
Why Natural HDPE, when extruded at temperatures about 100 °C (around) it has a white (but pale white), and then when the polymer cools down it color turns between white an yellow.
I understand that this phenomenon it is a general case of all LLDPE, LDPE and HDPE , and in all fabrication processes : Extrusion, injection, molding, pressing, etc.
So this is fundamentally, a chemical characteristic of the material ...
It has to do with a change in the Oxygen concentration in the material ?
Thank you all in advance,
Best Regards !
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Dear Franklin Uriel Parás Hernández, both degradation and crystallization are behind the change in color aspect. My Regards
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Hello dear Researchers :
Does anyone have modeled, or have literature on how to mathematically model a :
Fluid Flow of a :
- Non-Newtonian Fluid
- Non-Isotermal Flow
- Compressible Flow
- Polymer.
Thank you for any help, I'll appreciate it !
Best Regards !:)
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Hi Franklin and all.
This is a well-known case of violation of the famous “no slip condition” in Fluid Mechanics: the fluid (polymer melt in this case) slips on the walls of the extrusion machinery. Transversal velocity gradients in the melt are small so that plug-flow model (full slip flow) is used sometimes. In general, the relative rugosity of the wall surface in contact with the melt is irrelevant regarding pressure drop. In a way, it is as if Bernoulli equation holds. However, with polymer melts you have simultaneous flow and heat transfer. Look for “slip-flow models” or “polymer melts slip-flow models” at the Internet.
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I have to coat a PP-CF composite tape. The coating material is also modified Polypropylene material containing additives. The tape should have a length of atleast 150mm. Normally this is done in industries using extrusion coating but we don't have any extrusion coating facility available in the laboratory. Could anyone help me find a suitable method as to how this could be achieved?
I have researchered on dip coating which involves dissolving the modified polypropylene in Xylene at a certain temperature, but as far as I have read we cannot coat 150 mm tape using a dip coater?
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I am looking for a method to obtain an homogeneous mixture of plastic pellets or powder with short glass fibers, this mixture will finally be extruded. I am using recycled glass fibers so they tend to agglomerate, so agglomerates will have to be broken during the process.
I have seen that one possible technique is to use a twin screws extruder and then make pellets from this extrusion but I do not have the required equipment to do that.
Does anyone knows another technique ?
Cheers,
Rodolphe
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I have been facing the same problem. What solutions did you apply?
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i am working as a lecturer in the department of Mechanical Engineering in Pakistan institute of engineering & technology. I have to assign complex engineering problems in my teaching course which is manufacturing processes.
Topic Details:
Forming & shaping processes and equipment, material removal, cutting tools, machining processes for producing various shapes, extrusion and drawing, sheet metal forming, forming & shaping plastics & composite materials.
Please suggest complex engineering problems from the above mentioned topics
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Do you need problem statement for research?
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what temperature required for Poly-propylene quenching to enhance its tensile strength which comes from extrusion molding process and combine with polyester fibers
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Dear all, please have a look at the following documents. My Regards
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We make polyurethane tubes(by extrusion) for medical devices. Polyurethane material we use has 40% BASO4 and hardness of material is 90 Shore A. The tubes made out of this material stick together and causing lot of trouble in handling. We have extended the cooling water tank but no improvement. Can anyone provide a solution to avoid this stickiness.
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Thanks for your response. But I can not add anything to the formulation.
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In Extrusion process, it is evident that the extruded section was bent due to the material micro-structural and forming interface condition related factors. From application point of view, how such a problem could be properly addressed
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Hello,
we start a new project to make the industrial corn start hydrophobe for the extrusion process. we need a simple and cheap method to do that. would you please advise how to do this?
kind regards,
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Dear Mohammad Reza Abbasi, grafting hydrophobic side groups is the best way as it leads to stable and permanent residues for long term stability against mainly migration. Please have a look at the following documents. My Regards
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Hello all,
I´m currently working for a medical device company. We are trying to understand the buckling effect during an insertion force test.
We use a flexible PVC extrusion with these properties:
Hardness: 95 (ASTM D-2240)
Specific gravity: 1.73 (ASTM D-792)
Tensile strength psi: 3400 (ASTM D-638)
Elongation%: 250 (ASTM D-638)
100% Modulus psi: 2860 (ASTM D-638)
This extrusion is inserted into another medical device and the force required to insert the extrusion must be below 4 lbf. However, it is noted that during insertion procedure the extrusion buckles, losing force and failing test. The extrusion is inserted using a fixture to guarantee that 4lbf are being applied, there are some cases where the readings of the force tester are below 4lbf but the extrusion get stuck and didn't pass all the way thru the medical device not reaching the desired end position. Our guess is that the column force is lost as result of buckling.
Extrusion length is about 10 inches, OD is about .077” and ID is .035”, this isn’t a solid extrusion. For this case, we would like to know much force (lbf) can be applied to the extrusion before buckling. Seems like we might use Euler formula, but it is unclear to me how to use the formula adding the factor that this isn’t a solid column, I assume wall thickness may be considered.
I appreciate any help to solve this doubt.
Thanks!
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A quick check with pens and papers-
Use Euler's Buckling formula
max load P= EI*(pi)^2/L^2. L is the insertion point (into hole, box, whatever) to holding point (where the pipe is gripped and applied force. E is young's modulus. I is area moment of inertia, I=(pi/64)* (D^4-d^4). D is outer and d is inner dia of tube
This bold portion would work just fine to use the area moment of inertia of a hollow column.
For eccentric loading, use the Secant formula instead
But wait! if PVC tube is way too flexible to be considered to be elastomeric rather than linear elastic, there can be error, because Euler's formula was derived for linear elastic deformation of columns.
If standard simulations (Solidworks, Comsol, Ansys) seem too hard for you, go to some user friendly online simulation interfaces like simscale. Just upload 3D image of files in their simulation IDE, give input parameters, and you are done within a few minutes to hours.
Go for it.
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I am blending PBAT and PLA using extrusion machine. However, the PLA/PBAT blended pellets start to agglomerate, and fail to pass along the screw, as soon as I introduce the pellets in extrusion film blow machine! Is this pellets agglomeration issue common in PBAT~based blends?
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If I understand correctly, you already mixed the two polymers and obtained the pellets of that blend. Your problem is how to avoid the agglomeration of the pellets of the blend. I think you need to dry properly the pellets before feeding the film blow machine.
For your answers, you have already tried using dry pellets. It's worked! But, you add CaCO3, too. I think as CaCO3 is a descant, it acted on maintenance of low moisture.
I think your solution is to dry the pellets only.
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Dear researcher,
We produce polyethylene-based shrink film (HDPE / LDPE / LLDPE), for the packaging of water bottles, the problem is that we have a big Bullseye and I would like to know what parameters in (blown film extrusion) or recipe we can change to strengthen and have a small Bullseye.I'd also like to know if we should look for a positive or negative TD shrink and what are the parameters that improve the shrinkage force
Thank you
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Dear F. Madidi, you can find valuable information from the following RG thread, in addition to the other reference. Essentially, balancing temperature/time, degree of orientation, and type of polymerization process, are the main influencing parameters. My Regards
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Hi all,
I have tried to do a calcein leakage assay by LUVs that I made (dopc:dopg 1:3, dopc:dopg 3:1, and dopc only). In doing so I dissolved my lipids film in 2 mL of 10mM tris buffer containing 70mM calcein and after incubation at RT for 1h and freez-thaw for 5 cycles, I extrude them by a mini extruder with 10mm filter support and 0.1um PC membrane. However, after centrifugation I got no pellet. But when I skipped the extrusion step and directly centrifuged my samples I got pellet. Thus, I believe my lipids are missed during the extrusion but I have no idea how should I overcome this issue. Does anyone have any idea?
Cheers,
Maryam
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Hi Maryam,
It happens that a portion of your lipids gets stuck in your extruder. It also happens that some volume of the whole solution stays in the extruder, especially when the extruder is dry before usage.
Before extrusion, I always extrude an empty buffer a few times to fill in all the small voids in the extruder with the buffer and not to lose the sample. With this step, I also check if everything is tight and I do not have any spill.
Also, make sure that your extruder is properly cleaned before you use it. There might be some leftover molecules from the previous usage, which stick to your lipids and make it impossible to go through. TO properly clean it, use methanol multiple times, then use chloroform for the glass and metal parts, and then put everything to the sonication bath. You can sonicate it first in methanol, second in ethanol, and third in water right before you use it again to get rid of any organic solvents left in there. If there are organic solvents in the extruder, they will dissolve your lipids.
That's everything that comes into my mind. Good luck in making it work!
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Respected Researchers,
I want to fabricate the rods from Hydroxyapatite ( HAP) nano powder. I want to develop these rods for the coating purpose by thermal spray process.
1. Can opt the thermal spray method for the development of coating with this powder?
2. Please suggest the good literature and method for the fabrication of the rods of dia 6.67mm length 300mm.
I am waiting for the positive response
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Dear Vibhu Sharma,
Do you want to use a wire flame spray gun for thermal spraying? Thermal spraying with wire/rod is based on melting and atomizing the material. This means that your nano powder will be melted and its "nano" structure will no longer exist. In the event of the molten particle spraying, you can use a conventional powder with the same result.
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I have completed frequency sweeps giving data for storage & loss modulus, as well as complex viscosity.
I want to relate the performance of my resin on the oscillatory rheometer to it's implied performance in extrusion blow moulding processing.
What is the best way to do this?
My thought is to plot Shear Strain (pa) vs Complex Viscosity --
I am struggling to find typical shear strain values for HDPE during extrusion blow moulding.
Help is appreciated.
Cheers
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Hi Phil,
Thank you very much for this assistance, the paper is a great help.
Once again, many thanks
Matt
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Hi, I recently etched an ECAPed WE43 alloy with Acetic Picral with different compositions none of the above show any grain boundaries. deformation carried out at a low temperature; however, in high-temperature grains were seen easily. Can someone help me to etch this sample?
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Magnesium alloys are corrosion resistant and etching is based on differential corrosion response shown by the grain boundaries. Freshly prepared etchants and also freshly polished specimens are used to obtain better results. Increase the etching time or re-polishing after etching and then etching can be performed.
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  • Anyone ever scaled up from Brabender twin screw extruder to a Buhler one?
  • What are the scaling constants to consider?
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About several parameters that may possibly influence extrusion of ceramic pastes, you may check answers to another question at this forum ̶ «What are the most important parameters controlling the extrusion of pastes?»: https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_are_the_most_important_parameters_controlling_the_extrusion_of_pastes
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Prediction of extrusion force is most important before do the experimental work. In this, suggest equation to find extrusion force, die failure criteria, punch failure criteria. in other words suggest entire equation to analysis extrusion process by mathematically.
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Hi. Plz see the following link that might help you:
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Greetings good people.
Attached is the current model I have. I wish to extrude the surface that would be made from the edge to the highlighted (blue) line, radially inward, removing solid. No matter which option I seem to try however, it seems to consistently make slices through my structure. How would I go about such an endeavour? Any help would be appreciated, thank you.
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Greetings. Sadiq Gbagba thanks for your answer, much appreciated.
I tried the method you've shared, and I think there's progress. The Freeze tool is quite an interesting tool; didn't know it even existed. So I froze the model, and then performed a, 'Thin' on the outer circle.
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Thermoplastic elastomer film extrusion with very low thickness (50-100µm).
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The die system is the heart of extrusion or co-extrusion of films and there is a relation between the width of the die & the thickness of the film emerging by casting.
Please see this article:
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Clinical Situation: Subgingival fractured teeth with compromised crown -root ratios.
Question: Is it possible to gain alveolar crestal bone through extrusion biomechanics and achieve clinically acceptable crow: root ratio to support the function?
Reference:
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Of course yes and there are several papers on this topic. The reference you presented is one among several that in fact have higher relevance than this one.
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I'm using corn grits with added 5% moisture, hydration for 1h before extrusion process.
The final parameters
Screw speed : 160
Feed rate: 50 r/m
Temperature profile: 40-80-120-165-175-175
Water pump rate: none
Max Pressure: 165pa
What modification needed to increase the pressure, and thus getting a more desirable extruded product ?
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I think an increase in moisture of premix can help to alter pressure-temperature parameters.
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I am interested in the possibility of reuse pre-consumer scraps of co-extruded rigid/plasticized PVC profiles by melt mixing and extrusion processes. What main issues are to be expected in blending rigid and plasticized PVC grades? Will be needed special additives to improve processing and performance?
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I come back to the discussion based on recent results.
Micronizing our mixed rigid/flexible PVC scraps (100-300 um) in respect to roughly grinded scraps (in the order of mm/cm) has led to unespected results (at least to me).
At DSC we can see a single Tg (that is a single phase) when extruding grinded mix at 190 °C. With pulverized mix it is necessary to go at 210 °C to see a single phase.
How we can explain that with pulverized mix it is necessary an higher extrusion temperature to get an homogeneous mix?
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can anyone help?
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Dear researcher,
I do blown film extrusion of (HDPE / LDPE / MLLDPE), and I would like to increase its the dart impact without increasing the percentage of elongation. how can we reach a value of 150g/mil?
What additives we can use to achieve that value?
What parameters in the extrusion process can we change to achieve our goal?
Thank you
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I presume you have balanced the MD and XD properties already?
Increasing gauge (film thickness) didn't do what you want?
An increase in molecular weight should bring up dart impact, and if balanced by an increase in density...maybe, maybe you can keep elongation (in a tensile test) constant.
What's wrong with an increased elongation at failure?
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Dear researcher,
I do blown film extrusion of (HDPE / LDPE / LLDPE), and I would like to increase its the dart impact. how can we reach a value of 150g/mil?
What additives we can use to achieve that value?
What parameters in the extrusion process can we change to achieve our goal?
Thank you
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In my opinion, the properties modification could be achieved by the components ratio rather than extrusion conditions. According to patent https://patents.google.com/patent/CN101111375B/en you could produce film with Dart impact 150 g/mil.
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Hello,
I managed to run a small blown extrusion line, head diameter 70mm / screw 45mm.
The machine is to be used for extrusion of sleeves from 200 to 500mm wide. Unfortunately, I have a draw resonance problem. I cannot stabilize the balloon.
The head die has a cone that is designed to stabilize the balloon and the air ring characteristic for HDPE heads. (picture attached)
The machine temperatures are set to 140 degrees Celsius from the loading zone to the machine die head.
For the present moment I have only been able to stabilize the balloon for a 200mm wide sleeve, TUR was then 10.43. As soon as I try to blow the balloon to larger sizes the balloon begins to destabilize and there is a resonance phenomenon.
I don't understand what could be the cause of my problems, maybe the die that is designed for HDPE processing is not suitable for PLA?
Regards,
Michael
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Do you have to use PLA? because, a different kind of biopolymer could be easier to process, something that has certain proportion of PBAT or something like that. PLA, as you mentioned, might be too stiff, and grades that are specifically designed for Blown Film Extrusion have to have something that lowers the stiffness of the polymer.
Miguel Angel Romano
Plastic processing specialist.
Chemical Engineer.
7 years as Blown Film Specialist and formulator.
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Dear researcher,
We produce polyethylene-based shrink film (HDPE / LDPE / LLDPE), for the packaging of water bottles, the problem is that we have a big Bullseye and I would like to know what parameters in (blown film extrusion) or recipe we can change to strengthen and have a small Bullseye.I'd also like to know if we should look for a positive or negative TD shrink.
Thank you
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Dear F. Madidi, are these polyolefins extrusion-blown films grades? My explanation is that may be either the MW is low and/or having a broad MWD. As you know shrink-wrap is a relaxation of highly oriented chains, so MW and MWD are the premordial parameters. My Regards
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Dear researcher,
I do blown film extrusion of (HDPE / LDPE / LLDPE), and I would like to increase its the dart impact. how can we reach a value of 150g/mil?
What additives we can use to achieve that value?
What parameters in the extrusion process can we change to achieve our goal?
Thank you
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I think this should help. I also include some other references working on the same idea but maybe not with PE but say PP.
At 11-25% CaCO3, dart impact improves over neat resin, but it drops below neat resin at filler levels up to 10%. Dart impact can also improve dramatically with higher loadings, depending on the resin type. At 20% CaCO3, dart impact for a 15-micron butene-copolymer LLDPE is 100 gm, slightly higher than that of unfilled film at 75 gm. Hexene copolymer, however, gets a big boost in dart impact with 20% CaCO3–rising to nearly 500 gm from 150 gm unfilled. Octene LLDPE also jumps to 500 gm dart impact with 20% CaCO3, from 200 gm unfilled.
Additional:
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Dear researcher,
I do blown film extrusion of (HDPE / LDPE / LLDPE), and I would like to increase its the dart impact. how can we reach a value of 150g/mil?
What additives we can use to achieve that value?
What parameters in the extrusion process can we change to achieve our goal?
Thank you
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What mathematical methods are helpful to correlate the values of laboratory and Production results of extrusion ?
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Thankyou for guiding. I will do it and based on the outliers, I will decide what correlation coefficients or MAE is to be used Andrey Davydenko
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Hello,
I have 2 domian (Air and Solid). I would like to use some of the variables of Air domain in Solid Domain. So i tried linear Extrusion of Air domain to Solid domain. But i am getting this error.
"Extrusion coupling operator interpolation failed for at least one point: no source point found.
- Geometry: geom1
- Domain: 2
- Destination coordinates.: [8.215365985362635e-06; 0.0038700611977834547], [2.2013006813040321e-06; 0.0038700611977834547], [8.2153659853626333e-06; 0.0015973154179627258], [2.2013006813040317e-06; 0.0015973154179627258], [1.8854069570552613e-05; 0.0038700611977834547]"
Question:
1. Can someone check if i have properly extruded the Air domain to Solid domain?
2. If I have extruded properly What is the reason for this error ?
Thank You
Cyrril
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Sometimes it's better to play with mesh/material frames while defining the extrusion couplings.
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I am trying to calculate the minimum distance between two objects in COMSOL using extrusion component coupling method. The link is:
I think I am missing out on something as the variables A_x, A_y, B_x and B_y are unknown to COMSOL when I try to call these variables in the cutline feature. Do I need to run some kind of an evaluation to actually let COMSOL first evaluate these variables and only then they can be called.
Also, I want to get the minimum distance between the objects. How can I measure the length of the defined cut line?
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With the use of "minimum" coupling feature in comsol along with the proper definition of displacement local variable defined by "contact" node in the structural mechanics I think this could be done.
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Hi,
I am trying to measure resistivity/conductivity across a diamond shaped conductor with small extrusion so this is an irregular shape conductor. I am trying to find the geometrical effect on the shape of conductor.
Resistance = (Resistivity*Length)/Area (1)
This formula works very well for a uniformed section. e.g. a cube of (L=B=H=10 mm )of Copper
my results verifies my analytical calculation.
if I add a small extrusion(L:2mm B:2mm H:2 mm)to a Copper conductor (L:10mm B:10mm H:2 mm) and apply a small voltage through that extrusion.
analytically the Area of cross section should be the area of extrusion.(2X2= 4mm^2)
But the LS Dyna simulation results doesn't match this time with the analytical value.
I have kept all condition same.
Then I tried by taking the entire area of conductor (not just the extrusion) as the area of cross section of (10X2= 20mm^2)
The two sections have different area of cross section therefore current
injection will be spread outward in the section. In series circuit, current is same throughout
and the Voltage is a scalar potential. We impose a voltage at the inlet. Same as case1. For the
Case 1 our Equivalent Resistance was same as the Circuit Resistance. The Change in Geometry
Resistance is calculated using eqn (1) with 2 conductor in series. We have current injected through A1 which
then enters our model through A2. The A2 theoretically is same as A1. However, the results of
the LS dyna show a big margin of error when A1=A2, whereas the results give a good
approximation when the A2 is taken as Equivalent Area with the width of the section taken as
the entire width of 10 mm instead of 2 mm
Analytical and Simulation difference in value of current, due to difference.
I am stuck at this basic problem, Refer to the image for understanding the 2 cases.
help will be appreciated.
Thank you for reading this.
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Dear Abin Alex,
It's a very very important question related to engineering and technology.
The basic idea lies in Physics.
We know the measurement procedure of resistivity of any arbitrary shape of two dimensional object by Van der Pow method.
But , for three dimensional object , I am also trying to find a solution of Calculation of the resistance.
I tried to calculate the resistance of a solid sphere between two diagonally opposite points. But it's so lengthy process.
I am not satisfied. For the any two corner point of a cube, I don't find any solution.
Thanks
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I'm trying to simulate microstructural evolution for pure Mg during friction stir extrusion by DEFORM software. FSE is a solid-state recycling process based on frictional heating and extensive plastic deformation.
َA lot of parameters and constants should be specified as observed in the attached files.
Does anyone have a microstructure simulation experience with the software?
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Hi
you must fill these parameters with experimental data or Articles which contain information about your material.
you can search about grain avrami model, arhenius equation to achieve some information.
if you are eager to know more, you can read my article.
This is the link:
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I'm a mechanical engineering undergraduate who's working on a my final year project related to 3D concrete printing. Due to lack of resource and time, I have to find another alternative material for concrete like substance with the freedom to manipulate the viscosity of the material to study the extrusion. It will be really helpful if professionals, researchers and lecturers who are familiar with construction and material field to advise on this matter so that i can proceed with my study. Your help is greatly appreciate. Thank you in advance.
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Hello Dr. Chaitanya Krishna ,
Thank you so much for the insightful suggestion, this could be a better alternative i guess. Thanks again sir.
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We are compounding special LDPE masterbatches with triethanolamine-based additives. After mid-term storage we observe an undesired browning of the product, which is caused by TEA oxydation (Maillard-type reactions). We tried to add specific TEA antioxidants but without significant results (the high extrusion temperature makes them ineffective). Can you suggest me any antioxidant suitable for triethanolamine and effective at 150 - 190 °C?
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Try with some water , this also has plasticating effect and partial foaming of your blend , but reactions could be also with your other additives.
You welcome
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I am using viskomat XL with 6 full-blade vane probe to assess rheological properties of my concrete mixture. Can anyone please suggest the best equation to convert torque to shear stress and rpm to shear rate.
From orifice extrusion, DST and portable vane assessment initial yield stress of my mix was determined to be around 1.6 KPa.
Thank you very much for your time.
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Dear Shravan,
I am not sure if the question is still of interest to you, but I would like to say a few things. I hope they will be relevant.
In the case of the dynamic properties, I would suggest you consider your geometry as coaxial cylinders and apply the Reiner-Riwlin equation. Please check out this paper by Dimitri Feys et al.: Extension of the Reiner–Riwlin equation to determine modified Bingham parameters measured in coaxial cylinders rheometers.
In the case of the static properties, you can use the following simple equation to calculate the SYS: τ = T/(2*r2*π*h), where r and h are the radius and the height of the probe. Here we consider that only a small region in the vicinity of the probe is sheared, which will be the actual case if you are testing stiff 3DP concretes. The equation will not change depending on using single-batch or multi-batch approach. What can change is the determined value of Athix, especially if you test a highly thixotropic mixture with a high volume fraction of aggregates. Then the single-batch approach will give you underestimated results. However, this approach is basically the only one you can apply to control Athix of your 3DP concrete by means of rotational rheometry, unless you have multiple identical rheometers in the lab, of course :)
Regarding your comment on giving torque and rot.velocity instead of SS and SR, I would like to say that they can be very different for different tools, therefore, other researchers who are using another rheometer will not be able to get what your values are representing. That is why we all try to present SS and SR. It gives us a feeling of the mixture's properties.
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Hi, I need to make micro size spherical shaped pellets. Does Anyone have extrusion-spheronization instrument in Sri Lanka?
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Good topic dear,
We need other scientists to know more about that
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Hello!
I have Al 6082 samples (strongly deformed by extrusion and partially recrystallized) and I would like to do an EBSD analysis of the recrystallized zone and have already tested the following final preparation steps (after about 25min colloidal silica polishing):
- HF etching
- elektropolishing
- about 24h in vibromet
- only ultrasonic cleaning with ethanol, after cleaning with hot water
- instead of colloidal silica, I also tried aluminium oxide (sample was etched)
For grinding (up to 4000 grit size) and polishing (6µ - 35min, 3µ - 40min, 1µ - 40min), I used the lowest possible force.
But the result is always the same, I don't get kikuchi patterns.
Does anyone have an idea what the problem might be?
Thank you very much for any help!
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Do you have access to ion beam etching facilities? We usually finish the "tricky" Al samples with some Ar+ ion beam etching.
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Dear researchers,
I have some multiport extruded tubes with a certain white precipitate visible on the iner side of the tubes and would like to know a way to determine what that precipiate is.
During extrusion the aluminium multiport tubes are passed through a water quench to cool them down from an temperature in excess of 500°C to about 40°C. In some cases when the water enters into the ports of the MPE tube due to porosities a thin layer of white precipitate is observed which is mostly aluminium hydroxide. In severe cases a considerable amount of white powder can be detected. After performing an XRD on the white powder it was found to bayerite.
Also anodic dissolution of aluminium around the Al(Mn,Fe)/Al(Mn.Fe)Si precipitates was observed when some samples were analyzed under the SEM. Very minute quantities of oxygen could be detected with the EDX analysis on the SEM but these measurements cannot confirm the exact composition of the precipitates.
Is there a quick way to determine if the precipitate on the surface of the tube is Aluminium hydroxide?(without the need to perform XRD or any other time consuming analyses) And can any other type of precipitate that can form under these conditions?
Would be grateful for your inputs and suggestions.
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There is only one way to be certain. Solve the structure of the material. Scrape the surface onto a carbon coated grid and use micro diffraction techniques in a tem or backscatter diffraction techniques in an sem. The material may be beam sensitive so good luck but there is only one way to be certain, solve the crystallography.
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I want to use basic principles of Friction Stir Processing to do Additive Manufacturing of Aluminium. For this purpose, I'm trying to extrude Aluminium powder through the hollow shoulder of a simple FSP tool. But the powder gets solidified and blocks the mouth of the hole of this tool at the interface of tool and workpiece. What could be some of the mechanisms to force the powder to continuously extrude through the tool .
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Sorry,I don't do this work.
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What might be probable mechanisms leading to the physical foaming on the nanostructured of a composite componded by gelatin, glycerol, tannic acid and cloisite when processed by extrusion at about 90C. I would aprecciate any help.
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I looked at your interesting work. You are already a famous scientist. Your mix is complicated.
If you have a Cloisite 30B nanoclay, then you can see the article.
Air bubbles can only be in clay. Glycerol molecules can penetrate there. Molecules in nanopores behave unexpectedly, for example, water molecules in nanopores of beryl.
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Hi,
I am trying to model a prestressed beam. Should i use wire element or solid extrusion to create prestressing tendons? and also which procedure do you recommend to assign prestressing condition?
Your help will be highly appreciated. 
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Regardless the software, the more accurate you simulate the case, the more accurate the results you get, accordingly modeling tendons as solid is more accurate than wires especially in bonded per-stressed elements. But in this case, you have to model the anchorage system as solids also. n other hand wire element is much simpler and easier to model.
So, if you are modeling the whole structure you may use wire modeling, but if you are modeling a limited zone such as anchorage zone of coupling zone you may use solid element.
good luck
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I am making preformed lipid vesicles for use in protein reconstitution and after 5-7 x freeze-thaw cycles with N2l to ~ 10-15C, extrusion through a 0.2 um filter x 10, and extrusion through 2 x 80 nm filters, I get quite a number of Poly's by Cryo-EM imaging. Has anyone found a way to reduce the number of Poly's since this is absolutely critical to my experiments?
Buffer is 20 mM HEPES, pH 7.5, 75 mM NaCl
Extrusion temperature is RT
Extruder is a Lipex 10 ml extruder : 10/1.5mL Thermobarrel and Regular Barrel Extruder from Transferra Nanosciences
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You can experiment with an aqueous solution of ethyl alcohol instead of water to obtain vesicles. With an increase in the alcohol content in water to 0.1 mole fraction, the hydrophobic interaction is enhanced. The addition of urea weakens the hydrophobic interaction.
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I will be using ABS thermoplastic and will incorporate metallic nanoparticles as the filler material. Only dispersant will be added to promote chemical affinity between the polymer matrix and the nanofiller surface. Additionally, will there be a significant change if I do the compounding for two times? It will be very helpful if you will cite references
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The entire Chapter 5 titled Preparation of filled polymer systems pages 175-242 in the book Aroon V. Shenoy, Rheology of Filled Polymer Systems, Kluwer Academic Publishers, Netherlands (1999) is dedicated to the mixing/blending/compounding of fillers into polymer melts. The sections include Goodness of mixing, Mixing mechanisms, Compounding techniques, Compounding/mixing variables. In section 5.4, there is a detailed discussion on the compounding /mixing variables that affect the quality of the mix. Some variables are more sensitive to changes than others. It is important to study and identify these variables and understand their sensitivity so that the compounding /mixing can be carried out under optimum conditions. Variables affecting compounding operations could be machine variables (mixer type, rotor geometry) or operating variables (mixing time, rotor speed, ram pressure, chamber loading, mixing temperature, order of ingredient addition). You will have to study and understand the effect of each of these variables for your specific metal nanoparticle filler – ABS polymer matrix combination to find the optimum conditions to achieve the proper level of dispersion and distribution of filler into the polymer. You will get the necessary hints on how to go about this by reading Chapter 5 of the book.
In the Table 1.12 of the book Aroon V. Shenoy, Rheology of Filled Polymer Systems, Kluwer Academic Publishers, Netherlands (1999), there are many suggested surface modifiers that would work for the ABS matrix – A-174, A-187, CM8550, CG6720, MEMO, GLYMO, Z-6030, Z-6040. These are silanes, and their full forms are given in Table 1.8. Which one would be most effective for the metal nanoparticles that you are using can only be worked out by some mixing experiments, which are discussed in the book.
Further, in case you need to understand the important factors in preventing flow defects and controlling the quality of the material that is produced during extrusion process, then you may get some idea about it by reading the Section 8.4 of Chapter 8 on Extrusion in the following book: A. V. Shenoy and D. R. Saini, Thermoplastic Melt Rheology and Processing, Marcel Dekker Inc., New York (1996). Twin-screw extrusion may be better than single-screw extrusion for achieving better dispersion and break-up of agglomerates. Running the same material twice through single-screw extrusion may not provide additional benefits like what twin-screw extrusion would provide in a single run.
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Dear All,
would you be so kind to help with the probelms of the extrusion of Pebax + Lotryl? What are the main parameters affecting to the extrusion? Is the humidity/storage/lifetime affecting the process and subsequently the resulting product?
Thanks a lot
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Hi, does anyone have a good reference for cost calculation formula of plastics extrusion? I looked all day and I didn't find a single ref with comprehensive look on the matter. For injection molding there were a ton of references.
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