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Hello everyone,
while studding the dendroclimatological relationship between annual rings and precipitation. I need to standardize the annual rings using a computer program. what are the programs you suggest, and if possible been easy to practice or the program had been explained on some internet platform (Youtube, website, blogger, ..... etc).
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You can use the program ARSTAN which can be downloaded from the website( https://www.geog.cam.ac.uk/research/projects/dendrosoftware/)
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I have some time-series for tree-rings from dating from 1850-2016 and diameter at breast height (DBH) from 1996-2022 for the same plot, however the sampled trees for tree-rings and DBH do not overlap. I want to build 1 time-series (in basal area increments e.g.) for the whole plot, so at stand level, covering the complete time-span from 1850-2022. Is this possible to do, did anyone of you do this before?
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Alexander
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How close is the correspondence between the two datasets for the 10-year period where they overlap?
I guess if you've got a relatively homogenous stand, you know something about its history, and the 1996-2016 increments from the tree rings match up OK with the 1996-2016 DBH data (even if the individual trees are not the same)... seems like you could at least try to make an argument for the extended time series, depending on what you want to try to show.
Is there a reason you couldn't also go core some of the 1996-2022 trees where currently you only have DBH?
Good luck!
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We are measuring growth rings in softwoods and we would like to know how to evaluate the false growth rings
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I am looking for some kind of standarisation for determining ring curvature radius for archaeological deciduous Quercus (cf cerris). I have used the the "trigonometry in an isosceles triangle" after Paradis (2007) and Paradis et al. (2011) to calculate the radius of curvature but this results in literally thousands of unique measurements. I was wondering if there is a standard for grouping radius curvature dimensions together (into bins) for statistical comparison. For example: fragments with a radius of 0-50 mm are considered strongly curved and those with a radius between 50.1-100 mm are moderately curved etc. Given that Quercus cerris grows to a diameter of up to 2 m what is considered weakly curved? This may well be available in the French literature but as I cannot translate from French to English any assistance would be appreciated. 
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Nathan,
I am not too familiar with coppicing and pollarding. What I see is farming, where fast growth species such as popular (Populus sp.) or maple (Acer sp.) are grown to ~25 cm and then harvested for firewood. With staggered planting, the supply is constant. I suppose with coppicing and pollarding you would not necessarily have to worry about distinguishing between young growth trees and limbs, since young trees would be uncommon?
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I am interested in the characteristics of Pinus (especially nigra and sylvestris but not limited) as related to behavioral ecology. The characteristics that I am looking for include calorific value, volume (density-dependent), weight (density-independent), durability, and if possible the brightness of the burn.
These data will be used in human behavioral ecology models to see if they explain why Pinus was used as a fuel (cooking, heating, and lighting) in Bronze and Iron Age Anatolia. If anyone can provide any direction or references I would be most grateful.
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Dear all,
I want to identify tree water sources in selected trees over an entire growing season, preferably monitoring the same trees. As I will not have access to suberized branches in most cases, I'm considering to take multiple cores from a single trunk (up to 5 times). Unfortunately, this method is rather intrusive, and hence I'd like to use the smallest borer diameter possible to allow extraction (via cryogenic vacuum distillation) of an adequate amount of sap water, while keeping damage at a minimum.
I'd appreciate any comments on or experience with repeated trunk sampling (effects on sap flow, mortality) and which borer and coring depths can lead to adequate results.
Thanks in advance.
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Alex
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I agree with Rob, bigger would certainly be better. I assisted Jim Ehleringer's (U Utah) lab once with some similar sampling at our research sites in W Oregon. They used the Haglof 12mm corers and they worked wonderfully; cut easy and produced a nice sample. This volume of sample was sufficient for their work, which was specific to isotope levels in the individual annual wood increments. Since you are interested in water, the quantity of water would be similar to wood (by mass, green wood might be 40-60% water, depending on species and time of year). However, you expressed concerns about repeated sampling... if your trees are large, and sample numbers relatively few (perhaps monthly), then there should be no issue with repeated samples using a large corer. But if the trees are small and samples many, you may want to go small. It really depends on how much water you need for a proper sample.
Another option might be very small drilled holes with a vacuum pump and a water trap (a sample jar where the lid would have one hose in from the tree and one hose out to a vacuum pump) I have no idea if it would work... it'd be worth trying, but you could use very small holes. You might have to seal a tube around the drill hole to create enough negative pressure to fight the negative water potentials.... In temperate climates, in the months leading up to bud break, there would be positive water pressure cause by active root pumping. During this time, water will just drip out... think of tapping trees for maple syrup! You'd could easily end up with multiple litters of sap per day. Each hole will effectively seal itself in a matter of weeks, but perhaps strong negative pressure would still yield water from the sap stream.
Anyway, have fun and good luck! Sounds like you'd have a methods paper too if you can figure it out.
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Is there someone that have used Tetraclinis articulata in dendrochronological analysis?
I have some samples from Morocco
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For some species like Fagus orientalis or Quercus spp, is it very easy to spot the borders of sapwood and do the measurements. But for some species, the sapwood area is not visually recognizable. Do you have any suggestion for measuring the sapwood area of Carpinus betulus using the standard instruments? I should mention that we don't have high tech instruments like x-ray or tomography.
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Hi Hormoz,
Have you tried using a colour dye on stem cores? Methyl orange works well on many species. The difference in pH between sapwood and heartwood causing the dye to turn slightly different colours.
Fast forward to 1 minute and 14 seconds in this You Tube video I made on sap flow. I use methyl orange on a eucalypt tree to show sapwood v heartwood:
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I'm working on cores from Juglans regia (common walnut) and sometimes I see very narrow rings (ex: 0,3 mm against normal mean of 4-5 mm). My cores looks as semi-ring-porous or diffuse porous. Is there someone that have more experience on this kind of wood and that could suggest me some key to detect possible false (double) rings?
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Growth ring boundaries in Juglans regia wood are commonly marked by a very narrow band of radially flatted and thick-walled fibers. This is extremely easy to see in cross sections prepared for microscopic analysis (http://www.woodanatomy.ch/species.php?code=JGRE#). It's quite easy to get thin cross sections from cores (even with a razor blade), can you go for this technique?
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I would like to calculate the annual carbon fixed in a forest from my tree-rings measurements. But I don't know how close is the correlation between the radial growth and height growth. Can the allometric models calculate it?
My idea is to know how much carbon can be stored year per year in a tropical forest in different tree species. With the ring-with data I can calculate how the basal area is increasing year per year. But to calculate the volume I need the annual heigh too, since it is changing with the tree age. It is to understand the carbon storage over the history of a forest ecosystem, considering the differences between tree species.
I will be very grateful with some clue or idea to continue with this research.
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An excellent comparison of methods on "correlation/inferring from measured radial stem growth between/on height growth" is given in: Kariuki, m. (2002): Height estimation in complete stem analysis using annual radial growth measurements. Forestry (UK) 75: 63-74. It includes references to Carmeans, Lenharts, Newberry and Fabbio et al. methods. Have fun reading!
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I am working with estimating tree size (dbh) and density from small sample plots using photos. I was hoping to get some feedback on sampling design and the number of plots I need to do within a given stand of trees. Namely the type of survey (clustered or probability proportional to size) and whether I should be focused on sampling a certain amount of area, or a certain number of trees. Density estimates are the primary information I require but if I could get good data on the varying size classes of trees, that would be good too. Should I set thresholds in the photo set to only measure trees within a certain distance from the camera (so that my sample size is fixed) or count and measure a certain number of trees in the sample irrespective of distance from the camera (irregular plot size, but still able to be calculated)? Once this is defined, how many samples should I do per hectare? In my test samples I get 15-20 trees per sample but am willing to amend the way the photo sets are taken to get fixed areas, or varying numbers of trees.
Ultimately I would like to compare these measurements to other contemporary methods of measurement but realise this would require a different statistical approach.
I am weak in stats so very simple explanations or references with examples would be preferred.
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I guess your photos are from ground level so that you can see some tree trunks, but don't have a full 360deg photo.  I don't think you can get tree density from a simple photo, but you talk of plots, so maybe you will be on site to do the work?
Two options come to mind:
1.  Basal area using a relascope (cross sectional area of tree trunks in m sq/ha)
Maybe this will work for you:
2.  Plotless sample from a point within the forest (several methods) will give you an estimate of density and dbh of trees in the sample if you measure them.  Two handy URLs:
Mike Swaine
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Sal mortality is occurring in central Indian forest with die back and complete death of sal trees in patches. We surveyed the mortality area and from pathological point of view no any particular pathogen was uniformly associated with dead trees. Only in some moist forest areas fruit bodies of Polyporus (Innotus) shoreae was found attached with roots of top dying trees. Two species of Hypoxylon were also recorded from dead and partially dead trees 
Does anybody have any idea for the cause of sal mortality?
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I'm not expert in phytopathology, but this sounds like "witch's broom" disease or something similar:
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In tehran we have different varities of shrubs and trees, among them I would like to know which of them is the faster growing in equal situations?
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In the Canary Islands, in regions with a low annual rainfall (below 250 mm), two of the very few indigenous trees that can grow in such environments are Tamarix canariensis and T. africana. In some cases, where there is some humidity, you can find also the endemic palm Phoenix canariensis. Tamarix species seem to grow quickly in some areas, and are very good for forestry purpose in semi-desert or even desert environments.