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How do different types of clay minerals (such as kaolinite, montmorillonite, and illite) influence microbial diversity, enzyme activity, and nutrient cycling in soils, and what are the long-term implications of these interactions on soil fertility, carbon sequestration, and agricultural productivity?
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Also, I suggest you consider the inverse where the microbial metabolic processes, specifically the electron transfer to electron acceptors modifies the surface chemistry of clay minerals. I have experienced this at in-situ bioremediation sites where the cohesiveness vs the uncontaminated and untreated clays was substantially decreased. Of course we did not have the option of evaluating the clays since we were working for other purposes.
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We found two strange structures in fresh watered lake from elevation higher than 1500 m a.s.l in Nuratau and Zarafshan ranges:
1: cristal in X or in "star-shape". Any ideas ?
2: fluter cylinder which seems to be carbonated (or at least evaporitic). Could be a concretion build around aquatic plants ?
Thank you very much for your help !
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Yes it does ! Thank you for your answer.
Any idea for the cylinder ones ?
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I am studying geotechnical properties of clay-like pumice containg clay mineral halloysite.
But I met one problem, for example, I do not konw how to make the specimen of soil to observe its morphology using Scanning Electron Microscopy (SEM). Who can tell me how to do or recommend some videos or handbook to me? Thank you very much.
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The preparation process is straightforward. You should begin by drying the material and affixing it to a conductive substrate,fofr exapmle by carbon tape. Lastly, because your sample is non-conductive, it will require sputtering with another conductive material, typically carbon or gold.
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The Differential X ray diffraction technique was proposed by Schulze (1981) to increase the detection limit of iron oxides in soils as well as a mean to obtain an XRD scans of the solid phase destroyed by a selective dissolution method.
The XRD pattern resulting from the difference between the pattern with and the pattern without the solid phase (that is, the DXRD pattern) has to be subjected to adjustments to avoid negative peaks and other artifacts produced by the difference operation. Schulze (1986) suggests the use of a spline correction to overcome several of these artifacts due to mismatch between the two initial patterns.
Question 1: DOes anyone know a software or similar (e.g., excell routine) to operate such correction?
Question 2: DOes anyone has tried to apply the technique to other classes fo minerals, such as silicates and carbonates ?
Schulze, D. G. (1981). Identification of Soil Iron Oxide Minerals by Differential X-ray Diffraction1. Soil Science Society of America Journal, 45(2), 437. https://doi.org/10.2136/sssaj1981.03615995004500020040x
Schulze, D. G. (1986). Correction of Mismatches in 2θ Scales During Differential X-ray Diffraction1. Clays and Clay Minerals, 34(6), 681–685. https://doi.org/10.1346/CCMN.1986.0340610
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Hello Andrey.
Thanks a lot for sharing your experience with this topic.
I will study carefully your comments and test it with our materials.
Best regards
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I used Match3 software and almost unveil most of the clay mineral. But can't find 2theta=27.48 & d=3.2463. Anyone have idea which mineral present in this values?
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Surprisingly, that microcline does not fit - it is his most intense reflex. In the picture you showed only rutile. You will not get the ratio of minerals, knowing only interplanar distances. Only qualitatively can you talk about the presence of phases.
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thanks in advance on sharing the method
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Please find the attached article - Determination of Chloride Content in Cementitious Materials. (It may be helpful)
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Could anyone please hint me what might be the reason behind this error in clay refinement? I am using clay XRD data which has illite as major clay mineral and quartz and hematite as impurities. I have added total 5 phases (kaolinite, illite, quartz, calcite, and hematite) and have adopted all the procedures (inlcuding constraint equation). When I try to refine, this error appear (screenshot of black GSAS program window is attached). I am particularly focusing on these keywords present in the error message: "Invalid metric tensor", "refinement of conflicting variables", "SVD problem".
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First, examining the .gpx file, it can be seen that in one go you imposed all 5 phases. Typically, each phase is added one at a time. Also, the diffraction pattern is not of good quality, the intensity of the maxima must be above 10000. That will make the refinement quite difficult, the pattern you show would be preliminary. You must repeat the measurement.
If you really need to work with this diffraction pattern, first do a Pawley or Le Bail refinement with GSASII without using the cell, to refine the instrumental parameters like U, V, W, X, Y and S (asymmetry), as well as the background. This is an advantage of GSASII, doing a refinement without including the cell parameters. Then, you carry out the rietveld refinement using the parameters obtained above and add each phase one at a time, starting with the highest composition. Finally, you proceed with refinement.
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I found a specail clay mineral in shale sample.
Backscattered SEM image and corresponding EDX spetrum of a argon-ion milled shale sample were attached. The caly mineral looks like rose-like authigenitc smectite in the SEM image. But since element k is present, it could be illite. It also could be a mixed-layer illite-smectite (I/S). Can anyone tell me what is the kind of the clay mineral?
Thanks for your help.
Chuanmin
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Without analyzing by XRD technique the parallelly oriented clay samples saturated with Ca and K ions and subsequent glycolation of Ca-sample and heating the K-sample , it not possible which clay mineral it is.
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In recent years, extensive studies have been conducted on sand stablisation by MICP, but I have not found any study on clayey soils.
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It's very interesting that in my research, this method in sandy soils gave a better answer and I have to say, definitely yes.....
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I am working on the interaction of dissolved organic matter with bentonite. I analyzed d-spacing from high-resolution TEM images. I found that the d-spacing of bentonite was decreased after the adsorption. Is it practically possible? should it not be increased? and why? Thank you.
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Definition: Clay minerals are the characteristic minerals of the earths near surface environments. They form in soils and sediments, and by diagenetic and hydrothermal alteration of rocks. Water is essential for clay mineral formation and most clay minerals are described as hydrous alumino silicates.
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Please let me know if you have some special clay minerals database for XPert software. I need a quantitative estimate of clay minerals in soil samples by using XRD patterns.
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I am studying a series of calcite-rich samples, with some quartz and minor illite. In the samples very rich in calcite (>90%), I sometimes observe a weird phase when I measure the oriented clay preparation.
The main peak is at 11.2-11.3 A and the weird part is that it seems to shrink to 10.7 A after glycolation, and completely disappears after 1h at 300 C (see the image attached).
I study clay minerals, but I have never seen a phase like this. I am not even sure this is a clay mineral. Does anyone have an idea of what the phase is?
Thank you for your help.
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After orienting on a glass slide , scan Ca-saturated, Ca-saturated-glycolated and K-saturated and heated clay samples to 110,300 and 550 deg C. By this way palygorskite may be better identified.
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I want to estimate minerals percentage from soil XRD pattern. Can anyone please suggest me the Method/procedure or any good software, by which I can estimate minerals quantity with good accuracy?
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Clay samples usually contain different clay minerals which in turn are fine dispersive and have different defects (mixed-layering, stacking failts, microstrains, etc.). Therefore classical quantitative XRD methods are not useful for such samples. The effective way is the simulation of the XRD pattern for each individual clay phase in a sample (taking into account its actual crystal structure) and then comparison of the experimental XRD pattern with the optimal summation of the calculated XRD patterns. The best result could be obtaind for several state of a sample (air-dried after Na, Ca, Mg or K - saturation, glycol saturation, heating at different temperates etc.) if one and the same structural model for each phase was used for different sample teratment. Close ratio contents of clay minerals for each sample treatment also will indicate to realistic resuts.
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I have geochemical data of sedimentary sequence. From XRD data I got signatures of certain clay minerals like smectite and Kaolinite. But I need the quantitative analysis to find out the percentage of clay from certain sedimentary units. Also, I have XRF and ICP-MS data of the same sequence. Is there any way to get the quantitative clay percentage from major oxides/Trace/ REE?
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If you have only kaolinite-group minerals and smectite-group minerals in your clay you might get an approximation as you know what the type of smectite is like (e.g, dioctahedral, trioctahedral , Mg- or Fe-enriched). If you have a kaolin mixed with smectite that contains in addition to those minerals some feldspar relics, quartz or even muscovite I do not see any realistic chance.
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I am studying clays diffraction (air dried, treatment with etilenglycol and heat treatments).
Maybe other mineral association could help? Presence of other minerals (i. e. alunite)? I don´t need to be 100% sure but I would like to know how to predict the predominance of one of them. 
Thank you very much
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Hello,
distinguishing kaolinite and dickite by XRD is not that complicated. It is necessary to prepare the least structured preparation (cuvette filled from above or behind, powdered preparation, preparation mixed with plastic binder etc.) and possibly use the Rietveld method with the insertion of models of both minerals. The positions of relatively weak non-basal lines are decisive.
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I am working on the adsorption of Lead (Pb) and Copper (Cu) on clay minerals under influence of dissolved organic matter (Extracted from the soil). My objective is to exactly estimate the above interaction at low and high pH. At low pH (acidic) the experiments were normal. However, at high pH (mostly above 6.5) the metals get precipitated. This way the adsorbed content of the metals on the clay surface is uncertain to estimate.
Please suggest how can it be done?
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The acidic condition is indeed ideal as you have experience and we did experience the same in our geohydrological investigation around ash ponds to check potential threat to ground water. You many need to try it out with decimel pH number and freeze it, please.
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Hello Everyone, I have carried out the XRD analysis of clay minerals on oriented samples. Now i want to do the semi quantitative analysis as well as calculating the illite crystallinity using the TOPAS software. Can anyone from the research community guide me how to carry out this process on TOPAS. I am new to this software and also i couldn't find any tutorials regarding the semi quantitative analysis of clay minerals of on any platform.
Any guidance would be highly appreciated.
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Nobody has an answer, so I'll write some observations. First of all, I would say that the phase analysis of clay minerals is one of the most complicated things that can be devised in mineralogy. Some clay minerals have virtually all the vices a mineral can have. Clay minerals show polytypism (all), often have a slightly or even strongly disordered or turbostratic structure, limited particle size and also display mixed layering too. All this affects not only (semi) quantitative but also qualitative analysis, and without a completely correct phase identification, quantitative analysis is meaningless.
But you can't say that it's not possible at all, it's just extremely complicated and you need to combine more techniques. The results of the Reynold Cup, which was organized by the Clay Minerals Society in the past, also prove that this is realistic.
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I stored some clay rock samples in a diluted salt solution (c=2,5 g NaCl/l). The duration of the storage is around two to three months. Is there a possibility that Na+ from the salt solution replaces other ions in the clay minerals? If yes, what cations are exchanged in what clay mineral and how high is the possibility this process if you consider that the salt solution is strongly diluted (c=2,5 g NaCl/l)? A literature tip is also welcome.
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In such diluted NaCl solution, Na may not replace any substantial amount of interlayer cations of 2:1 layer silicate minerals. Clays are generally preserved in Na form after removing excess chloride. You may refer to the following publication.
Jackson, M. L., Soil Chemical Analysis – Advanced Course, University
of Wisconsin, Madison, USA (Published by the author),
1979, 2nd edn.
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Currently i am working on Xpert Highscore XRD software for the estimation of clay minerals from the XRD pattern. However, whenever, i try to search minerals by using ''search and match'' option, i get the ''no candidate found''. Although i am using the Xpert PanAlytical database by default. Any suggestion, how can i overcome this problem and get the possible minerals list?
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Hi dear Muhammad
I m agree with Doriana Vinci
You must add standard & new databases like (pdf2-pdf4-COD).
COD databases are free and you can download that from this site --> http://www.crystallography.net/cod/
PDF 2 & PDF 4 are better databases but unfortunately, they are not free.
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I am working on XRD analysis of the clay minerals from the sea sediments. My XRD pattern shows very high counts at the start of the XRD pattern (3 degree 2 theta) which is very unusual. The counts then slowly come down to normal values with increasing 2 theta angle. Also the XRD peaks are not very sharp. I checked the other clay minerals XRD patterns in various publications and find out that my XRD pattern has a problem. what might be the reason for such a high counts at the start of XRD pattern. Is the problem related to XRD machine or something wrong with my sample.
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At such a low angle, 3o 2theta, the source (X-ray tube) directly aligns with the detector. It doesn't matter if in a theta-theta or theta-2theta configuration.
The direct detector irradiation is inevitable. If no reason indicates the necessity to star at such a low angle, standing at about 5o 2theta will promote a high decrease in the effect and reduce the direct detector's irradiation.
Concerning your sample, 4.5o 2theta is going to work very well.
The setup may use filters; however, the result is only partial; the best solution is to increase the starting angle.
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Practically this is not at all necessary. But theoretically, would hydrous/hydrothermal synthesis be enough (like mix 1 mole alumina gel and 4 mole silica gel and gently heat) or would it require combining the oxides in fused state to form feldspar/mafics that would be later hydrothermally treated to form clay? If not directly, then mediated by which agent? If not even possible to make the clays indirectly, then why?
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P.S. Please find attached an interesting review article entitled
"CLAYS, CLAY MINERALS AND CORDIERITE CERAMICS - A REVIEW"
In this review article "The nomenclature and characteristic structural properties of clays, clay minerals talc, kaolin, vermiculite, ceramic raw materials, cordierite ceramics, cordierite and cordierite polymorphs were summarized.
Mineral phases in clay mixtures and cordierites sintered at 1300°C were compared."
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Synthesis Of Zeolites Materials base Clay Minerals such as Smectite, Vermiculite, Kaolin.
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Thank you very much for the precision, I want to synthesize zeolite type A.
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I am interested in quantifying the abundances of different phases of clay minerals of marine sediments using XRD analysis. Any suggestions regarding the detailed method/software will be appreciated.
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Anupam
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Dear Anupam, The percentages of clay minerals can be determined using the Rietveld program very precisely or using the semi-quantitative method
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For example, what are the dominate 5 compounds in clay mineral? 80% of SiO2, etc.?
Is the proportion/order of these dominate compounds changed with other factors, e.g., pH?
Thank you in advance.
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Basically secondary minerals: Consider the Ferro-magnesian and Alumino oxides or oxy-hydroxides.
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Hey;
I am looking to work on clays in my soil samples, So I need to extract them first.
I know that I should first remove all the bending agents that make the clay sheets stay connected like ( Carbonates, Organic Matter ...) fur this purpose I have to attack the soil by Hcl 5N and H2O2;;, but I need The procedure any help, please. Thanks in advance
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Dear Soumaya,
You may refer to the document attached. You may find it useful for your intended purpose. Good day!
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I am a geologist and interest to identify different minerals present within the natural rock samples like quartz, feldspar etc, also interestd about different clay minerals like keolinite, illite etc.
There are much free softwares on interenet but most of them are designed for chemistry people (I think so) who work on synthetic materials. Being a geologist I am very much interested in natural samples mainly different mineral phases, so looking for a software which also has a good database on that. Thank you very much for your suggestion. I highly appreciate your time.
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Link will be helpful to smooth XRD data by removing signal noise
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I am working on a research project to evaluate weathering intensity in some marsh soils by using minerals indicaters, so I need equation or formula to apply on my x ray data.
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Dear Dr. Aldhahi,
instead of writing a lengthy text I attach a sequence of minerals based upon which you can easily decide in which level of sugergene alteration you are.
DILL, H.G. (2020) A geological and mineralogical review of clay mineral deposits and phyllosilicate ore guides in Central Europe - A function of geodynamics and climate change.- Ore Geology Reviews 119 (on-line)
DILL, H.G. (2017a) Residual clay deposits on basement rocks: The impact of climate and the geological setting on supergene argillitization in the Bohemian Massif (Central Europe) and across the globe.- Earth Sciences Reviews 165: 1-58.
DILL, H.G. (2017b) An overview of the pegmatitic landscape from the pole to the equator – Applied geomorphology and ore guides.- Ore Geology Reviews 91: 795 – 823.
This sequence is explained in more detail in Dill (2017a). You will find more information also on more exotic minerals in ore deposits in the above papers Dill (2017b, 2020).
DILL, H.G., WEBER, B. and BOTZ, R. (2013) Metalliferous duricrusts (“orecretes”) - markers of weathering: A mineralogical and climatic-geomorphological approach to supergene Pb-Zn- Cu-Sb-P mineralization on different parent materials.- Neues Jahrbuch für Mineralogie Abhandlungen, 190: 123-195.
Dill et al. (2013) also provides you with thermodynamic calculations.
All paper are available for download on the RG server.
These papers are written from a mineralogical , geomrrphological and pedological point of view.
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H.G.Dill
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Hi Academic community,
I am doing the quantitative analysis of topas, but have not the strcturedatabase of montmorillonite and illite in .str format, because .cif does not work and the Rwp is quite high. So, I need the structure of Montmorillonite and illite in format .str and not .cif. CIF damages the process. Many Thank,
Industrial University of Santander.
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Can someone please provide me the structure file for clay minerals like '' Smectite, Chlorite, Kaolinite and Illite'' Our TOPAS database somehow lost those files. It would be highly appreciated if anyone can provide these files.
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Currently I am working on the clay mineral analysis for an IODP core. I am using a standard clay mineral separation technique by adding H2O2 and acetic acid for the removal of organic and carbonate fraction in ultrasonic bath, after that centrifuging the sample in de-ionized water at 4600 rpm for 6 minutes, and then separate the clay fraction on glass mounts. But the result i am getting is not satisfactory. Sometimes cracks appear in the clay paste on the mount and sometimes i am getting a very minute grainy fraction as well on in the clay paste which become visible when the clay drys on the mount. Is there any step I am missing?
P.S: I have to run these samples on XRD.
It would be very helpful if someone can please explain the process step by step.
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Agree with Dr. Doriana
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Dear,
would someone have a pdf copy of the following document:
"Practical Identification of Clay Minerals" ?
Thank you very much.
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no problem dear Doriana Vinci ,
thank you ver much!
regards
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As we know some clay minerals and iron oxides have positive charges on Its surface, and viruses have negatively charges, is there any ability to use this feature to reduse or stop the activity of viruses and other unusful microorganisms?
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The viruses have no activity because they are only proteins and RNA or DNA and become active inside alive cells only but if you mean the possibility of adsorption on clay minerals surfaces I guess it's possible with high energy bonding which means that the viruses become unable to transport
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I have four soil samples that I have to determine their minerals contents. Does anyone have any expert in this field? Is it possible for you to guide me and determine the content of minerals in these soil samples such as 1:1 and 2:1 clay minerals as well as Fe and Al oxides?
I attach graphs.
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I have core clay sample separate by sedemenation decantation method and I need to separate kinds of clay minerals dominated in these sample especially montmorellonite, kaolinite and mica..
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Dear Mr. Aldhahi
Separation of different size of clay particles using sedimentation technique has to be done in different steps.
The method of choice is the settling tube method („Atterberg”) which is performed following the Stokes ‘Law.
1. Remove from your sample organic matter and soluble salt minerals by hydrogen peroxide and washing, respectively.
2. For mud-low or mud-free sample you can immediately dry the sample at approx. 70°C. For those samples enriched in mud pass your sample by wet-sieving to a set of sieves where the sand particles are retained as a function of mesh- or sieve size
3. The remaining fraction less than 20µm or 63µm is saved for the settling tube method. You must disperse the fine-grained matter, pour the slurry into the settling tube shake it and let it separate the coarser-grained matter from the finer one in a laboratory room under constant temperatures. In a view plain words, the finer and the purer the fraction you want to achieve the longer the time span necessary to attain these results. You can well be separate the < 2µm fraction and even better (<0.63µm). The latter procedure takes you more than 24 hrs.
4. As an alternative you can speed up the process using ultracentrifugation which can be handled with water similar to the settling tubes or even with heavy liquids (Attention: imbalanced loading of the centrifuge)
5. The various fractions are dried mildly. Do not use to high temperatures so as to alter the structure of the phyllosilicates (clay mineralogy). Smectite used to be in the finest fraction of sediments can easily by separated from the rest of the sample and enriched so as to determine these complex phyllosilicates in more detail.
I wish you much success
HGD
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I attached a picture of compressed kaolinite samples. Each side of the samples is around 0.5 cm. I also have samples from Monmorillonite and some other clay minerals. They have almost the same size. I have to polish them to become a highly smooth surface because of I want to conduct AFM experiments to measure their frictional properties. The ideal roughness should be approximately 1-5 nm in the 0.5*0.5 squared micrometer area. Could anyone explain to me what is the best method to polish these samples?
Many thanks in advance!
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Farnood Sobhbidari Google is your friend...
You may also wish to make friends with someone in the electron microscopy department of your school. You say you're in the Geology department so there's sure to be someone with microtome experience. Float the sections off - perhaps onto mica - if this is suited to your AFM
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I have to measure the frictional properties of some clay minerals. I am curious whether or not I need to remove the surface from carbon. Because I have to clean the silica surface from carbon, and I don't know if I have to clean the clay minerals surface the same as silica or not.
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Carbon will always be there if a sample is stored in air. ESCA/XPS will confirm this - indeed the contaminant C signal at ~ 285 eV is used to correct for charging in XPS samples. You can argon ion etch or use a plasma etch to remove both the top layers and carbon. Then you'll need to preserve your specimen in vacuo or in a reducing atmosphere.
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They are the minerals that possess the Brucite layer, and magnesium occupies the three crystalline sites of the octahydra layer such as serpentine (1: 1), saponite(2:1), chlorite(2:2) and others.
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Dear Dr. Al-Wotaify,
Dioctahedral and trioctahedral clay minerals are described in the most simple way by the difference in the charge balance of dioctahedral and trioctahedral clay minerals and can easily be documented by the two important clay mineral groups of the mica and smectite groups.
Muscovite is dioctahedral showing the chemical composition KAl₂[(OH, F)₂|AlSi₃O₁₀], biotite is trioctahedral with the chemical composition K(Mg,Fe2+,Mn2+)3[(OH,F)2|(Al,Fe3+,Ti3+)Si3O10].
The dioctahedral phyllosilicate muscovite needs to accommodate a monovalent cation K + and two trivalent cations of Al +++ in its lattice to achieve charge balance, whereas biotite needs three bivalent cations (Mg++, Fe++, Mn++) and one monovalent cation (K+). For trivalent Al also trivalent Fe can substitute.
The same approach can be taken for another more complex clay mineral group called smectites. Saponite has the chemical formula (Ca/2,Na)0.3(Mg,Fe2+)3(Si,Al)4O10(OH)2.4(H2O). It is as far as the crystallographic structure is concerned similar to biotite (trioctahedral), whereas another Fe-bearing smectite , called nontronite is dioctahedral Na0.3Fe3+2 Si3AlO10(OH)2.4(H2O). The latter clay mineral couple can be used as a geo-redox marker. Nontronite is common to environments of oxidizing regimes due to the trivalent Fe , whereas bivalent Fe-bearing saponite is typical of reducing environments.
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H.G.Dill
p.s. compilation given in the file below
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Hello everyone,
I am struggeling to identify one of the clay minerals in my XRD Diffractogramm.
I have identified the peak on the right hand side as Illit, but cant find a match for the reflex on the left with the free-ware and additional mineral data bases that I am using. Since the glycolisation causes a small shift in the peak and the heating results in the destruction of that structure, i suppose it is a swelling clay, maybe vermiculite or montmorillonite. The data base entrys really dont seem to fit well though. That is why I am asking for any suggestions.
The sample originates a soil (Dresden, Germany), that might contain organics (but very little). The bedrock is a glacial sediment.
I will attachall three .raw files.
Thank you in advance!
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Dear Niclas Münch!
In this area, very few minerals are reflected. There are about a dozen of them. The most common = is smectite, vermiculite, chlorite, mixed-layer such as smectite-illite, and smectite-chlorite and sepiolite with palygorskite. For a more accurate diagnosis, it would be good to check the ​​small angles area of of 2-5 degrees.
With respect
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Sepiolite is a fibrous clay mineral chemically known as hydrous magnesium silicate. I want to determine its thermal conductivity. What is the method and the procedure to obtain the exact thermal coefficient?
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Using plates of high conductive materials could lead to errors since the temperature differences on the 2 sides of the outer plates will be small and thus small measurement errors could lead to important errors of the computed conductivity.
I would suggest ceramic plates with about 23 W/m°K for instance.
Only a remark my suggestion is NOT a single sided but a double sided (3 layers). Which I already used for other measurements as "ceramic- stuff-ceramic".
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A soil sample has been analysis by X-ray diffraction after separate clay fraction from sand and silt but after graphs appearance some peaks for quartiz, feldespars and calacite regestered in the tests and question is how can we classified this type of minerals according particle size distribution.?
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Dear Mr. Aldhahi,
I learnt from your question that you separated your soil sample and selected the finest particle size for XRD. Despite this grain size fractionation you identified besides phyllosilicates also feldspar, quartz and calcite. They will not make up the majority of the mineral assemblage but traces are not uncommon there.
I suggest to make two principal suites, one called phyllosilicates or sheet silicates (I would not use in this case the technical term clay minerals for size and crystallographic reasons), the other non-phyllosilicates. This subdivision can also be used for quantification using methods like Rietveld. If you are able to determine the accessory minerals of this size fraction use words like tectosilicates (e.g. feldspar) and carbonate minerals (e.g. calcite). You can also go a step further and describe them more precisely as calcite, or alkaline feldspar.
As long as you can put them into a tripartite classification scheme you can also plot them in triplots, e.g. phyllosilicates-carbonate minerals - tectosilicates.
I wish you much success
H.G.Dill
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suppose the fireclay is kaolin. the formation of metakaolin at about 600 C- can it be reverted? Progressive temperature rise causes spinel-like 2Al2O3.3SiO2 at about 950 C and mullite formation at about 1050 C, every time giving away SiO2 Upon progressive disassociation. After firing to 1600 c and cooling, the structure is mainly various polymorph of silica plus mullite. (or other aluminosilicates?). acn the fired product be chemically reverted back to kaolin? if yes , How? if no, why not?
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No because after heating kaolinite structure is totally destroyed.
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By taking in consider that we have a good idea about the type of clay minerals and the soil is free from organic matter.
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Dear Mr. Aldhahi,
the major driver for the CEC in rocks and soil is the smectite content. With this in mind high smectite contents will also yield high CEC. This is a correlativ relationship it does not compensate for a precise determination of the CEC as shown in
Meier, L.P., Kahr, G., 1999. Determination of the cation exchange capacity (CEC) of clay
minerals using the complexes of Copper (II) ion with triethylenetetramine and
tretraethylenepentamine. Clay Clay Miner. 47, 386–388
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A correlation of the concentrations of SiO2 versus Zr for a suite of basalts show a progressive increase in SiO2 relative to Zr content. Where is the zirconium coming from being a low temperature mineral?
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Many thanks for the exposure to literature.
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For the coastal fine sediments during the low sea level stage which may be floodplain sediments, exposing a long time, some authigenic clay like the smectite could formed? If yes, then how to distinguish the two types of in-situ formed and detrial ones? Could any specialists give some method suggestions to me? Thank you!
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Dear Mr. Li,
You mentioned only smectite. Is there any other clay mineral, e.g., illite or muscovite? How precisely did you investigate smectite? There exists a wide range of smectite-mica mixed layers. The only recommendation I can give to you is:
1. Investigate meticulously the clay mineral association. Do not use a bulk composition but split it into different grain size fractions, because smectite is very grain-size-sensitive and mainly accumulated in the finest grain-size fraction
2. Try and find K-bearing micaceous clay minerals as individual grains or in mixed-layers with other clay minerals such as smectite and carry out K/Ar or Ar/Ar dating and compare the data with those of the host rock sediments and the provenance area
3. Determine the chemistry of clay minerals not only with regard to the major elements, e.g., K, Al, Fe but also with regard to minor elements such as Cr, V and Ni which are accommodated in some clay minerals and used as marker phyllosilicates for supergene and hypogene processes, processes which you might not expect in the coastal environment of deposition under study.
4. Do not only focus on clay minerals but also take a keen eye on heavy minerals and light minerals which may be detrital but also may form in-situ (“do not put all your eggs in one basket”)
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My question relates to the mechanical strength anisotropy of mudrocks and how it can be explained. The layering of the clay particles defines the orientation of the bedding planes. To me it would be logical that the binding forces parallel to the bedding are higher because the distance to the next neighboring clay mineral is bigger than to the next clay mineral on top of it. Can I argue in this way?
An argument for my conclusion is the phenomena of core disking. When you sample a shale or mudrock specimen from a certain depth it will destress an break along the bedding planes, but not perpendicular to the bedding planes.
I attach a picture for better understanding.
Please give references.
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Dear Mr. Ungewitter,
it may have find an explanantion in the slip- and twinning system of minerals (Etheridge, Hobbs and Paterson 1973). Slip was formely called translation gliding which in mica or phyllosilicates, in general, is exclusively controlled by the (001) plane. Other rock-foming minerals such as quartz or calcite have different ones.
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What is a Typical Groundwater Composition?
For instance: ions concentration, pH, clay minerals and NOM concentration
I would be truly thankful if you recommend an article or a handbook.
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Factors that control the dissolved minerals in groundwater include:
(1) the types of minerals that make up the aquifer.
Different rocks, e.g., sandstone, limestone and basalt all have different minerals and therefore, groundwater in contact with these materials will have different compositions.
(2) the length of time that the water is in contact with the minerals.
The longer the groundwater is in contact with the minerals, the greater the extent of its reaction with those minerals and the higher will be the content of dissolved minerals.
(3) the chemical state of the groundwater.
The chemical state of groundwater is usually defined in terms of pH, temperature and oxidation-reduction potential. These parameters control and are influenced by chemical reactions. As temperatures change seasonally, as the water table rises and falls, or as recharge rates vary, the chemical state will change and, as a result, so will the composition of groundwater.
Reference:
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I have some standard samples for minerals, but they are powdery or in small grains. I want to make a small cube or cylindrical samples with dimensions of approximately 1 cm. I read some papers that they used a pressing vessel. In the process of sample preparation, they mixed a powdered minerals with deionized water. Then they filled the pressing vessel with the mineral slurry, and then drained and consolidate it under a specified overburden stress.
I was wondering if there is a commercial instrument to compress the powdered minerals such as clay minerals?
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Mr. Markus Christ is right. Alternatively, you may use a mechanical tablet press tool http://chinacoolgadgets.com/2017/08/06/pill-tablet-press-machine-manual-steel-pill-tablet-maker/
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i want to know the difference between them ? and which is to be used in evaluating the oil recovery ? whether both can be used or not ?
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Good discussion.. following
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Which clay mineral has the most important effect on slake-durability index of rocks?
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Dear Mr. Fereidooni,
it strongly depends on your rocks. The slake durabilty can't be explained by only one factor. Influencing factors are the overall structure of the rock, induration, mineralogy, climate etc.
Please have look at the following publications:
Chai, Z. Y.; Zhang, Y. T.; Zhang, X. Y. (2015): Experimental investigations on correlation with slake durability and mineral composition of mudstone, Journal of the China Coal Society, 40/5, p. 1188–1193
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I also have the XRD data of my samples. My sample is Shale, which contain many minerals such as Quartz, Clay Minerals, different Feldspars, etc. I want to map the location of each of these minerals on the surface of my samples. The area of my sample is 1 square centimeter, and the grain size of many of these minerals is in the range of micron or even smaller. Is it possible to use the EDS method to map these minerals?
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Engin Ciftyürek
Mahdi Ghobadi
Thank you for your help and recommendations. I want to measure friction in small scale (micron and nano). Therefore, I need to find some areas that contain specific minerals such as clay minerals. I tried SEM/EDS before. I think as the grain size of the clay minerals is too small, it is a time consuming process to find those areas on the surface of my samples. The area of my samples are approximately 1 square centimeter. I tried also Raman Spectroscopy, and I got better results.
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In search/match of XRD peaks of Ball clay, a single peak is identified for number of clay minerals for example, peak at 2theta=21, 27, 50 and 60 degree is identified for Quartz and Microcline. Similarly peaks at 2theta= 40.5, 46, 50, 55, 60, 68 identified for Quartz, Microcline and Kaolinite. The XRD of each mineral is attached here.
Is it possible a single peak represent two or three clay mineral ?
i have to determine mineral content of Ball clay by Rietveld Refinement.
Kindly contribute with your expertise.
Thanks
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As first step I would proceed to identify the single clay phases by the standard procedure suggested by USGS:
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I am working on the chemistry and mineralogy of a weathered sandstone in South Africa and I have received some XRD results that don't seem to match the profile of the sandstone. The results of the XRD show that there is a much more frequent occurrence of muscovite as opposed to clay minerals such as kaolinite or some type of illite or smectite. Which I find strange because as I understand it, muscovite mica would only appear in highly weathered sedimentary rock if it is detrital muscovite. It would've broken down into clay minerals a long time ago had it been deposited there during the sedimentation phase of the rock.
Is it plausible to question the XRD analysis and it's interpretation? The quartz peaks on the XRD are very prominent which means that many of the other peaks in the patterns are relatively flat and poorly defined and therefore are quite difficult to interpret accurately. Is it possible that the muscovite has been incorrectly assigned? Is it possible that the peaks that have been assigned to 'muscovite' may actually be the peaks associated with kaolinite or montmorillonite? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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There is little chance to misdiagnose kaolinite as muscovite, but is quite possible to misinterpret it as chlorite in complex mixtures, or it's other polymorphs (i.e. dickite, halloysite).
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I collected zeolite samples in Ethiopia and analyzed through XRF and XRD. threfore how can I identify what type of the zeolite I collected.
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Dear Adeda,
I don't know what you are after, is it the chemical composition or crystal structure of the zeolite type?
I suggets you first do a thin section & identify textural characteristics of zeolites & any associated minerals.
After that you can go ahead with XRD, EMPA, SEM & XRF depending on what you primary objective is.
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In a transition of mixed-layer illite-smectite from R0 to R1 with depth, can the process go the other way around? I guess there were always discussion about this. But what is the most updated conclusion?
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The minerals are the result of changes in the chemical systems; they try and get adjusted to the existing physical-chemical regime (P, T, chemical composition of soluble compounds). As such processes are reversible through time and space. It is, however, a question of the reactivity of the compounds involved if the reaction works its way swiftly or is retarded.
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I need to know what clay minerals is exist from raw XRF data?it is used in acidizing design
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One cannot get very much from chemical analyses alone, orientatively the Al:Si ratio equals 1 for kandites (kaolinite) > illite > smectites (montmorillonite). Illite typically contains K, while smectites contain Na and Ca. For reliable diagnostic purposes, as suggested above, XRD is the recommended method, using bulk and treated (heated, glycolated) material.
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I want to utilise a quick geophysical method to roughly detect underground tunnels in a sedimentary layered setting. However this area does have an abundance of weathered clay minerals on the top.
Would GPR be able to atleast show minor traces of a cavity?
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Dear Ms Marshal,
Less resistive clays rich horizon over more resistive sedimentary layer can limit the GPR investigation depth. Clayey layers are conductive and attenuate the radar signals. GPR is not appropriate in areas where the surface layer resistivity is less than 100 Ohm. m, that is the case of most clay rich soil horizons. Regards, Anicet
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i am working on an ironstone deposit, and its normalised REE plot gives a positive Ce and Eu anomaly and enrichment in LREE relative to HREE. whats the possible cause of these? could the Eu anomaly be attributed to felspars from the gneisses which constitute the major rocks within this environment? if so what about the Ce anomaly? or could they be attributed to the affinity of LREE to iron oxyhydroxides, phosphates (which are slightly enriched in the samples) or the clay minerals(kaolinite) which constitute the ground mass for the oolitic and pisolitic ironstones? or could they be attributed to contamination from detrital materials transported into the basin? 
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I want to leach Al from clay mineral using HCl (up to 6 M concentration) using High pressure reactor. The temperature to be used is 150-200C. I need your advice on a suitable material of construction for such reactor. The HCl will have traces of HF. Somebody advised me to use Ti, but it seems it will corrode under such conditions
I greatly appreciate your help
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I recommend Amit Anand 's answer, but recognize that 200 C is the limit for a teflon lining. Other linings can get you to higher temperatures. If you have the funds, Hastalloy has a number of variants that will work.
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Can someone suggest a device for measuring imbibed mass of a core sample immersed in water without taking the sample out of the water?
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An Amott cell is usually done for this. The expelled phase is then collected at the top of the cell and the volume is measured as corresponding to imbibed volume. If you need mass, just apply the density. If you consider gas, then the procedure can be done in a similar way if the system is pressurized and density changes are negligible. You could likely also just keep track of the liquid phase which is of negligible compressibility.
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Good morning everyone,
I am currently working on clay mineral quantification using XRD tests. I have been reading about different sample preparations and I found the one involving vacuum suction suggested by Moore and Reynolds (1997) really interested.
The idea is that a mixture of clay, deflocculating and water is made and put in a vacuum filter flask (see the image). By applying the vacuum, the clay is sediment on a filter. Afterwards the clay is transferred from the filter to the glass plate, dried and tested after the filter has been removed. The convenient part of this sample preparation is that no segregation occurs.
I find really difficult the part of the preparation concerning the transfer of the soil from the filter paper to the glass as I cannot avoid air bubbles to be trapped in the process. Moreover, Moore and Reynolds (1997) suggest to put the sample in the oven at 50°C for 3-4 min after the transfer of the soil. I find this time non sufficient. On the other hand, I did not find a suitable time yet.
I am looking forward to reading your answers, I really hope some of you researcher can help me giving me some practical tips :)
References: MOORE, D. M. & REYNOLDS, R. C., Jr. 1997. X-Ray Diffraction and the Identification and Analysis of Clay Minerals, 2nd ed. xviii + 378 pp. Oxford, New York
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Thanks to everyone for your kind answer.
Doriana Vinci I tried your suggestions and I managed to have some good samples, thanks again!
Robert Möckel unluckily your sample preparation does not avoid particle segregation and, as a consequence, it is not really suitable for the quantitative analysis I would like to run. But thanks again for spending some time answering my question
Mathias H. Köster
same as for Robert Mockel: I would like to avoid segregation, I am not sure I fully get what you are suggesting though. If your suggestion is to drop the suspension on a glass slide then this is not good enough for quantitative analysis. But sincerly thanks for your suggestion and for answering
Dilip Kumar Pal Thank you for the reference, I am going to read it as soon as possible. Thanks again.
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Hydrogen peroxide is a good way to removing organic matters, while clay minerals with the same size of diatoms were difficult to removing even using heavy liquids. Is there a good way to separate them without damage on diatoms.
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i am still confused that how to apply H2O2 for diatom samples. what is basic methodology. either other methods are much better. very confused
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During XRD analyses of oriented clay mounts, a number of peaks which are NOT typical of expandable clay minerals have been observed on XRD patterns of EG solvated ones. Ethylene Gycol was provided by MERK. It looks that some sort of crystalline phase(s) has been generated which was disappeared due to heat treatment (550 oC). Anybody has any idea about it?
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I checked with High score (database PDF 2). It is likely some sort of hydrated form an hydroxide.
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I am interested to know the composition of clay sediments of the Tista River, Bangladesh.
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Sorry it will be Dear Sajjad
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I have andesite source of road aggregates. I did XRD test on bulk powder and oriented samples ((1) air dried, (2) treated with ethylene glycol at 60oC, and (3) heat-treated at 550 oC for 45 minutes). The oriented samples were prepared on 2.54 cm slides after three stages of pre-treatment procedure to isolate clay-sized particles for identification.
Experiments were run using a PANalytical Empyrean X-ray diffractometer operating at 45 kV and 40 mA. The diffractometer employs a Cu K-alpha radiation with a 1.5406 Å wavelength (Kα1) and has a graphite monochromator with a PIXcel Detector. Scans were run at a 2θ angle from 4 to 70°, with a 0.013° step size and an integrated 100 s dwell time.
I have some doubts about my result and I cannot interpret some of the peaks.
1- Peak 1-1 (P 1-1): The peak in fresh materials- bulk powder (Figure 1) around 13.5 degree (2 theta). This peak is removed in the weathered sample (Figure 4)
2- Figure 2 shows the XRD results for fresh materials- bulk powder (the black line) and oriented (the red line).
- Why some peaks are removed in the oriented sample (especially the peaks more than 43 degree (2 theta)) and what minerals are those peaks? These peaks are removed in the weathered sample as well (Figure 4).
- Why the intensity of the peaks reduced dramatically?
3 - There is a bump from from 15 to 35 degree (2 theta) in the oriented fresh sample while there is almost nothing in the bulk powder (Figure 2). Can this bump be related to the presence of volcanic glass or it is only associated with the glass slide?
4 - Figure 3 shows the XRD test results for weathered materials.
- What is the peak 3-1. This peak has higher intensity in the oriented results.
- What are peaks 3-2 and 3-3 (at 19.8 and 20.8 degree (2 theta), respectively). These peaks have higher intensity in the Bulk powder and they do not exist in the fresh sample (Figure 4)
5- Figure 5 shows the XRD results of oriented weathered sample (air dried- Glycolated, and heated) and weathered- bulk powder.
- What is the peak 5-1? This peak disappeared in the heated sample.
7- Is there any volcanic glass in my samples, especially the fresh one?
6- Is there any sign of weathering that I can get from my XRD test results?
Please let me know if you need more information.
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We can keep speculating on what the peak mean and not get any meaningful thing done. Mathias has really nailed this. All the requirements to do better justice is not extractable from the image. Did you change the slides for the bulk? Or you used glass for all different measurements? The hump can be very informative on amorphous situations / disorder.
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Dear Experts,
I used Topaz to identify mineralogy in XRD and I found that the Muscovite and Illite peak is almost same each other.
If the sample consist of low Illite/Muscovite content, it will be hard to difference both of them.
How do you difference Muscovite and Illite?
Thank you very much
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The difficulty you face is to some degree related to the often general nature of the definition of illite that is in common use ...mica like clay size consitituent....and the other frequent use which is to label a peak near 10 angstroms in a diffraction patterns of a clay size fraction 'illite'. In reality the 10 angstrom peak and mineral group it represents in many sediments, rocks and soils is a heterogenous mixture of micaceous minerals. So your 'illite' may often include some micaceous components that could also be classified as muscovite if we have some means to determine their characteristics. In practical terms in a bulk sample where I assume you are looking at random powder XRD data, you might try to make a distinction bassed on polytype, e.g. a true muscovite will likley be a 2M1 polytype, whereras illites are usually 1 layer polytypes often with various degrees of dissorder. However, it is not a trivial matter to try to include models for illite structures in Rietveld codes.
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In XRD for clay minerals we need to determine the peaks (intensity or counts) in the y-axe and in x-axe the angle (2theta). What is the best procedure to identify the constituents on each peak?
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Further to Dr Towe's suggestion the book by Moore and Reynolds (1997 (2nd ed)) is a great place to start.
sincerely,
steve
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Generally , the CIA is interpreted as a measure of the extent of the conversion of feldspar to clays. It is computed using molar proportions as below:
CIA = Al2O3 / (Al2O3 + CaO* + Na2O + K2O) ×100
CaO* is the amount of CaO incorporated in the silicate fraction of the rock.
How CaO* is calculated?
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Dear Dr. Batabyal,
After 40 years in the business, I know that it is often an uphill battle to persuade geoscientists to follow a simple “chain of command” in geoscientific studies:
1. (Field) geology (good mapping and sampling)
2. Mineralogy from the hand specimen to the nanoscale
3. Chemistry from the simple method, e.g., from the XRF to the mass spectrometry of isotopes.
Geophysics may take the same level in the hierarchy as No. 1 and 2.
Each case history has its own rules according to which you have to use and adjust indices like those or even come to the conclusion and decide to omit them because of enough information already collected in one of the predecessor investigations or after some forward modeling find out that it is not worth the trouble to use this or that method or any index.
Too many put the cart before the horse because they think it speeds up the process and they will make faster progress. But this is certainly not a realistic approach and may only help for a while to ride the “paper tiger”.
Sorry for that piece of advice from a “vintage geologist”
With kind regards
H.G.Dill
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I have the attached information about the XRD test results (dried and treated with ethylene glycol) on a source of Andesite materials.
- Are the suggested minerals phases for the peaks acceptable?
(Ab: albite, An: anorthite, Aug: augite, Hbl: hornblende, Mc: microcline, Or: orthoclase)
- What is the peak at 6 degree (2 theta) for dried materials?
- What information can be extracted from the peak of glycolated samples around 10 degree (2 theta)?
- Is there any Clay mineral in the sample?
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Dear Ebrahim
The behavior observed is typical of a swelling clay mineral of the smectite type. This group of minerals include montmorillonite (Al,Mg-rich)but also beidellite (Al-rich) and nontronite (Fe-rich) (dioctahedral smectites) but also saponite (Mg,Al-rich), hectorite (Mg-rich) and stevensite (Mg-rich) (trioctahedral smectites). Thus, in air-dried, the major reflection (001) of a smectite with divalent cation (Ca or Mg) in interlayer domain (hydrated by 2 molecules of water) is close to 15.0 Å (5.0°2theta), after ethylene glycol saturation the position of this reflection moves close to 17 Å and (due to the increased order in the stack) its harmonic (002) appears to 8.5 Å (11.0°2theta), finally after heat treatment the interlayer domain collapses completely and the reflection (001) moves towards 10.0 Å (9 °2theta). From these basic treatments, the conclusion is that this phase is a smectite (without precision about species). The precise knowledge of the positions of reflections would make it possible to say whether it is a pure smectite end-member, a smectite / illite mixed-layer very rich in smectite or a mixture of the two.
On the other hand, the nature of the smectite crystallized during your experiment depends on the initial composition of your rock and in particular on the vitreous phase (clearly abundant in your case), but also on the operating mode adopted, open (lixiviation) or closed (batch), which controls the content of the most labile elements (Mg, Fe) available or not for the development of the structure of the neoformed smectite? By diffraction (powder mode), the study of the position of the reflection (060) (or (0633)) of this smectite will be able to know if it is a dioctahedral (1.49 - 1.51 Å) or a trioctahedral mineral (1.52 - 1.54 Å) or a mixture; because the Mg and Fe contents released by the alteration of hornblende and augite may be sufficient for this purpose. If you are in presence of the dioctahedral series (montmorillonite-beidellite), Hofmann -Klemen test will allow you to know what end-member you have. In any case, the precise determination of a smectite species requires knowledge of its chemical composition, which you can have by the EDX-SEM analysis of your material.
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Could you please find the attached image and let me know if the presented data can show any weathering in the glass. Based on my understanding, the glass in the structure of my materials remained intact as the bump in the XRD test results is stable while the aggregates are subjecting to weathering conditions (4m, 4Y, 10Y, 15Y are denoting 4 months, 4 years, 10 years, and 15 years of weathering of the same source of andesite materials).
I was wondering if you could let me what can be interpreted from the pick of weathered materials around 20 degrees (4.5 Angstrom). Can it be related to any clay materials or any sign of weathering?
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Kenneth M Towe
The materials are sourced from an Andesite quarry.
Samples are oriented on 2.54 cm slides that were prepared after three stages of pre-treatment procedure to isolate clay-sized particles. I presented the XRD results on air-dried samples. I also have the XRD test results for sample which are glycolated at 60 degree of Celsius for 20 hours and the heated sample as well (45 minutes at 550 degree of Celsius). I can provide them in the case of need.
Experiments were run using a PANalytical Empyrean X-ray diffractometer operating at 45 kV and 40 mA. The diffractometer employs a Cu K-alpha radiation (Kα1/Kα2 = 0.5) with a 1.5406 Å wavelength (Kα1) and has a graphite monochromator with a PIXcel Detector. Fresh bulk materials scans were run at a 2θ angle from 4 to 70°, with a 0.013° step size and an integrated 100 s dwell time.
Thank you for your time.
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Hi friends,
My university recently switched from using the ICDD Powder Diffraction PDF-4+ database for identifying minerals by XRD to a program called Match!3.
For identifying bulk samples, Match!3 seems to work just fine. But I'm also analyzing clay and zeolite mineralogy, and the Match!3 program doesn't seem to know how to identify many of these minerals... I type them into the "search" field and nothing happens.
Also, when I import data, and run the "search-match" option, I get a list of chemical formulae rather than mineral names... when I used to use the ICDD PDF database, I could turn off the "common phase" database and switch on the "mineral name" database. Does anyone know if there is a way to do that in Match!3?
It's incredibly frustrating for my undergraduate students to use Match!3 because they aren't familiar enough with (the highly variable) chemical formulae of zeolites and/or clay minerals to know what minerals the program is identifying when it spits out this list of massive formulae with no mineral name attached. (And sadly, my university has decided to no longer pay for the ICDD PDF access, so I think I might be stuck with using Match!3 for now).
Thanks for your help!
-Cindy
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I would highly recommend to define your own database and only use these confirmed phases for further interpretation. You can in case of new phases start a new search considering all other databases again. Since you obviously did XRD indexing in the past I would not expect that you are exactly running now into a trap as pointed out by K. M. Towe, however, his recommendation you should always take into account. You can measure perfectly but not exactly that what you want or need to measure.
Another option is to use instead of Match the free software BGMN. If you look into the ranking of the Reynolds cup, BGMN always was very successful for clay minerals. This should ave some reason :-). From my point of view the fundamental parameters approach which does not enable a "meaningful" optimization of the peak widths which is essential in case of numerous overlapping reflections.
BGMN even has a free GUI developed by N. Döbelin:
I am sure that he would help you during the first steps...
Good luck!
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I'm quite confused about the calculation of the CIA or the Chemical Index of Alteration (same with the other weathering indices). Would the weight percent do for the calculation? Or is the molecular proportion really the one I need?
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CIA = {Al2O3 / (Al2O3 + CaO* + Na2O + K2O)} x 100
PIA = {(Al2O3 – K2O) / ((Al2O3 - K2O) + CaO* + Na2O)} x 100
CIW = {Al2O3 / (Al2O3 + CaO* + Na2O)} x 100
CIW´ = {Al2O3 / (Al2O3 + Na2O)} x 100
In the above equations the major oxides are expressed in molar propotions and CaO* is the content of CaO incorporated in silicate fraction. McLennan (1993) proposed an indirect method for quantifying CaO content of silicate fraction assuming reasonable values of Ca/Na ratios of silicate material. Procedure for quantification of CaO content (CaO*) of silicate fraction involves subtraction of molar proportion of P2O5 from the molar proportion of total CaO. After subtraction, if the “remaining number of moles” is found to be less than the molar proportion of Na2O, then the “remaining number of moles” is considered as the molar proportion of CaO of silicate fraction. If the “remaining number of moles” is greater than the molar proportion of Na2O, then the molar proportion of Na2O is considered as the molar proportion of CaO of silicate fraction (CaO*).
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I have searched for Stone correlation and I only found equation that relates to permeability and capillary pressure, I need to have something about saturation and capillary to plot. 
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I have been analyzing clay minerals. I found high kaolinite and low mica at high elevations. I have question:
Does mica transform to kaolinite at low temperature? If so, how mechanism is?
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I want to agree with Pal. Granite rock has major compositions of quartz, feldspars and micas (muscovite and biotite). on weathering, granite rock feldspar transforms to kaolinite the mineral of kaoline. Muscovite is quite resistant to weathering but biotite is of very little resistance. It is therefore likely that only biotite mica can transform to the 7 nm physical size kaolinite.
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The only thing I can find is always the qualitative relationship between distance and attracting forces in a clay-water-system with the classification of adsorbed water, loosely bound water and free water. But is there a way to calculate this relationship? The clay mineral for which I want to calculate this relationship is illite and the "water solution" is surface near ground water.
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Well,
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solute transport- diffusion-dispersion may reach what you search in.
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Dear all,
I'm wondering about the location of Si-tetrahedra in any silicate grain which includes units of Si tetrahedra and metal-octahedra . For 2:1 clay minerals, metal-octahedra should be enclosed by Si tetrahedra; therefore, one would expect that Si-tetrahedra can accumulate at the outer surfaces of clay grains. However, for other silicate minerals, I cannot make such a deduction.
Would you please give me any suggestion regarding if Si-tetrahedra can accumulate on the outer surface of silicate grains ?
Thank you very much for your interest and contribution.
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Let's consider an isolated grain which only consists of a silicate mineral. Could we say that the outer surface of this grain could be rich in Si-tetrahedra ?
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I would appreciate any good piece of literature or advise from experience on the above question. Thank you :)
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Basically, KAOLINITE is 1:1 Clay mineral while MONTMORILLONITE is 2:1 Clay mineral: Montmonrillonite can swell. Kaolinite has a basal-spacing smaller (0.72nm) due to hydrogen-bonding than Montmotillonite (4nm) depending on the dominant exchangeable cation.
These specifical characteristics can affect the Diffuse Double Layer (DDL) of these two different clay mineral. Also see and compare the differents assumptions made by Gouy-Charpman for the DDL and relate them two the characterisctics of these 2 clays minerals.
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The qualitative relationship can be found quite often. But I did not find anything with respect to the attracting forces between clay mineral surfaces and water molecules or salt solutions.
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Compressibility and saturated hydraulic permeability of clay-polymer composites — experimental and theoretical analysis( Applied Clay Science
Volume 130, September 2016, Pages 62-75 0)
Abstract: In this study, the volumetric behaviour, hydraulic permeability and micro-fabric of clay-polymer composites fabricated by the use of polyacrylamide polymers were experimentally investigated and discussed by use of theoretical multiscale approaches. Composites were varied systematically in composition taking into account constitutive properties controlling clay-polymer interaction, i.e., clay mineralogy (kaolinite and montmorillonite dominated clays with predominantly mono- and divalent counterions, respectively) and polymer charge (nonionic, cationic, anionic). Composites were produced according to their individual maximum adsorbing capacity and prepared to slurry conditions. 1D compression and rebound tests were performed (2–800–25 kPa) and the hydraulic permeability was calculated for each loading increment. Additionally, microscopic investigations in environmental scanning electron microscope were performed. It was found that cationic and anionic polymer adsorption promote aggregated and flocculated clay fabrics, respectively, whereas nonionic polymers promote dispersed clay fabrics. Macroscopically, this led to an increase in void ratio at the same stress level as well as to an increase (cationic polymers) or decrease (nonionic polymers) in hydraulic permeability. Micro- and macroscopic findings were theoretically analysed by use of diffuse double-layer (DDL) theory and cluster-model. A modified approach of DDL theory accounting for the effect of adsorbed nonionic polymers on the electric potential in the nearfield of clay mineral surfaces was derived. Theoretical results were found to be in good agreement with experimental results on volumetric behaviour. By use of cluster-model, hydraulic permeabilities were found to correlate to the microscopic findings on clay micro-fabric.
Also have a look at :
Viscous Behaviour of Soft Clay and Inducing Factors
Viscous Behaviour of Soft Clay and ... repulsive and attractive forces between clay ... including mineral composition, clay water system and ...
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Dear researchers,
I have two questions:
1. I want to evaluate the maximum burial depth of a Lower Cretaceous mudstone from Germany with the Kübler index. Mostly you can find correlations with diagenetic zones and/or maximum temperatures. Is there a direct correlation with the burial depth without assuming a certain geothermal gradient to back calculate the maximum depth?
2. Most of the correlations end at a Kübler index of 1 but the half width at half height of my mudrocks is around 1.3 to 1.4. Is it feasible to use the Kübler index for such a wide peak?
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Dear Christian,
If the KI is so high, it probably indicates there is a significant contribution from a swelling component which broadens the 10A-reflection. Hence you are not measuring the KI of an "illite" but of an interstratified illite/smectite mineral with probably quite some smectite layers.
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In clay minerals, what does 001, 100 means, do the external basal surface and interlayer basal surface have the same code (number, say 001)?
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Dear Zhaoyang,
these numbers refer to Miller index notation, as you may have researched. It represents the position of a plan of atoms considering the three spacial axes (X, Y and Z) and each of these numbers is the inverse of the point where the plan of atoms "touches" each spatial axis. The position of the atom plans does not interfere in this notation. So, in the case of 001 plan of clay minerals, it does not matter whether the plan of atoms is positioned on an external crystal surface or in the interlayer basal position.
I hope it helps you.
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Can someone suggest me some specific clay minerals such as zeolites, kaolinite etc that can be the lead to release of high fluoride in groundwater.
The study area is an alluvial deposits and there is no role of geological formations in release fluoride in groundwater?
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Hello
The mineralogy of the alluvial deposits may be important, and also is there a possibility that the groundwater may be a discharge area for a more regional flow system?
Attached is a copy of a study from the 1970's where high fluoride (over 10 mg/L in some wells) was found. The report can also be downloaded from:
Search this page for the word Plymouth for the report.
Hope this is helpful.
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It is very hard to identify the specific type of clay minerals by the semi quantitative XRD technique. Anyone can recommend some methods that can distinguish the illite from mica in shales?
Thanks.
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Thank your very much for Prof. Towe. I will try my best to read the textbookon clay mineralogy. In fact, i have access to such references a lot on clay mineralogy. Well, i found that it is uneasy to recognize the illite in shales. Could be recognized by SEM or TEM analysis? or electronic probe, XRF...
For example, i will show your a SEM image for shale (The file is uploaded). The ''clay'' sheets exemplified in Figure is much like deformed illite, but i am not so sure with the SEM and XRD resutls.
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Analytical procedures to measure cation on silicate clay minerals
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CEC can be measured by a variety of methods and to some extent the result obtained is dependent on the method used. The values for cation exchange increased with decreasing pH. I recommend the BaCl2/MgSO4 method for measurement the CEC (British Geological Survey).
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I am working on the shear strength parameter of Kaolin-Bentonite mixture. I used undrained direct shear test in order to get Cu for the mixture.
My result shows that there isnt a significant difference between undrained cohesion of mixture which has greater percentage of kaolin in comparison with the one that has a greater percentage of Bentonite.
Does anyone one has experience about shear strength parameter of kaolin and bentonite which is obtained by direct shear test ?
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I have tested samples with kaolinite mixed with fine sand and bentonite mixed with fine sand, for different clay fractions, with a rheometer, at IC = -0.8. The yield stress of the samples with bentonite are considerable lower than with kaolinite. 100% bentonite had the lowest values of yield stress and 30% of kaolinite (lowest fraction I tested), had the highest.
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Hellow Dr. Alexander N. Golab, Very challenging research project, As we know that tight gas sands (TGS) are mostly effected by mineralogy, more specifically clay mineral's type, their distribution and amount. I would like to ask that in your case, what is the most possible cause of TGS in mineralogical point of view and what is their depositional settings? Either your project was outcrop based or subsurface or both integrated?
Thank You in advance.
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In our case, cement action is the main cause for the tight reservoirs either by quartz or calcite cementation. Coal-sourced gas often contain CO2 during the early phase of charge, which provide the material base for calcite celebration. Hope this may help.
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I am interested in clay minerals formed in plutonic rocks (mainly granites) prior to obvious weatherig processes. If we look at wet analyses, there is mostly 1 wt. % "H2O+" (even in samples from boreholes >100 m below the surface). Taking into account the amount of micas (and, if present, other nominally hydrous minerals), it is usually not enough for > 0.5 % H2O+. I could refer to own publications about clay mineral formation by radiochemical alteration, but this is still very small volume and not rule everywhere. So - where is the water: in submicroscopic secondary minerals, in fluid inclusions, other form in anhydrous minerals (e.g., water complex in quartz according to N.G.Stenina...), or strongly adsorbed water which had been in pores? Many thanks for answers and ideas!
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Hydrous minerals in granitic environment include major minerals frequently present in the mineral composition of granites and other minerals that may exist based on the type of granite. There is a big list of these minerals that could cover the H2O amount you mentioned. These include: Biotite ( around 3.7 % H2O), muscovite (around 4 % H2O), hornblende ( around 2.2 % H2O), Riebeckite (around 2 % H2O), chlorite (around 10% H2O), Epidote (around 1.8 % H2O), Kaolinite (around 14 % H2O), illite (around 12 % H2O), Montmorillonite (around 36 % H2O). Chlorite and clay minerals particularly increase H2O content
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the quick transformation zone of clay mineral (especially I/S)usually marks the division of diagenetic stage. it is common or not? How did it come into being?
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Dear professor Towe
you are right
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Is there a way to descriminate detrital from biogenic calcite on an polarization microscope?
Regarding a sediment sample (sampled from >500 mbsf) of well sorted subrounded to rounded -calcareous fine silt sized- grains.
Major presence (~90% on a smear slide) of trigonal-rhomboedral calcite (3-10 microns, fine silt to clay) minerals with no associated microfossil fragments or individuals
*The area is sourounded by limestones and marl lithologies of equivalent age estimated (indicate possible detrital crabonate provinence)
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Dear Dr. Tow,
I totally agree , but i assume that reworked, eroded calcite grains from the terrestrial formations (older bedrock, mainly crystaline) might have some morphological/optical differences comparing the calcite grains corresponding to more recent (in comparison with the terrestrial formations) skeletal remains of organisms that lived in the environment that now comprises the sediment layer i examinate
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Does the replacement of potassium by sodium in the illite interlayer increase the spacing between the layers?
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A decrease in layer charge was not required for K exchange, but a decrease did occur in K-depleted biotite and vermiculite, l~Iuscovite with the highest layer charge (247 meq/100 g), least expansion with Na (12.3~), and least sensitivity to solution pH had the highest selectivity for K and the slowest rate of exchange. The K in vermiculite was the most readily exchangeabIe. ..
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silica is found in clays in bound and free form. the bound form is presented by the clay minerals (kaolonite, montmorillonite ..... etc.) the free form is given by the quartz sand or by dusty fine particles. my question is as follows: "can we calculate the percentage of free quartz in the silica, I do not try to define it by the XRD, I look for a formula or another process if it is possible?
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Dear Mrs. Hafida:
You can take a mineralogical approach using XRD (Rietveld) and a chemical one described in the paper below making use of differential leaching:
DILL, H.G., STUMMEYER, J. and SIEWERS, U. (2002) Selective leaching of biogenic and geogenic silica in diatomaceous siliciclastics of the Kathmandu paleolake, Nepal.- Neues Jahrbuch für Mineralogie Mh., 2002 (1): 515-528.
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Hi everyone, 
Some changes occur in clay minerals crystalline structure due to stabilization by additives like lime or cement. Anyway, it is called that this is because of weathering action of the stabilizer on the clay minerals. what exactly is weathering action?? 
MJM
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Dear Mr. Moghadam,
Portland cement is a hydraulic binder setting under water or in air made up by the 3 components:
C2S (belite) = 2CaO.SiO2, C3S (alite) = 3CaO.SiO2  and C3A(aluminate) = 3 CaO.Al2O3.
It formed in a rotating kiln by firing. The same is true for lime
Calcining and decarbonization of limestone is conducted at temperatures of appr. 1100°C
The number of clay minerals are manifold and where do you see any crystallographic change in the sheetsilicates caused by the above chemical compounds during setting? The reaction is quite similar to what happens when creating concrete. You can use concrete or jetcrete in underground systems to stabilize walls or create roof support without any intracrystalline changes in the argillaceous material in contact.
The same ideas you may also apply to natural processes like weathering of soil.
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hello, I have received  the  message, considering the project: Advenced structural characterizations of clay minerals, related materials and ceramicsha s this project  any stable  financial  support  or  not?
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This is a research project, I declare within the institutional research program of the career of scientific researcher of which I am a member.
At the moment it has no financing.
Thank you for taking an interest in this project.
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Dear researchers,
I am writing to ask you about your experiences when working with kaolin-bentonite mixtures in the laboratory. My idea is to perform some characterization and consolidation tests with different proportions of kaolin (85%, 90%, 95%) and bentonite (15%, 10%, 5%).
Sincerely,
Cristian Soriano
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Bentonite is a highly expansive clay. A 15% bentonite (by dry weight kaolinite) application will result in a 'highly' expansive soil as per Seed et al. (1962) classification scheme. As a result, you might experience some difficulties in specimen preparation for consolidation tests. Does your characterization include swell test? I think you need to be more specific in your question. Again, there is inherent moisture in bentonite so you have to oven dry it before you determine the percentages. Good luck, Cristian.
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Type III cement is generally preferred for High strength development, and are usually finer than the OPC/Type I cement. In India, which type of cement is classified under Type III?! Whether OPC 53 grade belong to this category?
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The ASTM has designated five types of portland cement, designated Types I-V.  Physically and chemically, these cement types differ primarily in their content of C3A and in their fineness.  In terms of performance, they differ primarily in the rate of early hydration and in their ability to resist sulfate attack.  
pl. follow the link to compare the properties
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This is not my area of expertise but i have interest in knowing the differences and understanding their properties.
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  Dear Dr. Qutachi:
normally I try and find an answer to a question raised. In this case I try and restore the question so that it might make sense and accord with what has been already told. The classification scheme of shales proposed by Lundegard and Samuels (1980) is the launching pad. It can be used from the non-indurated argillaceous sediments  through the mica schists. I omit those features (e.g. lamination, bed thickness etc..)  which do not respond to compositional changes especially for this  case and try and avoid any overload.
Silt: 0-32 % clay-sized constituents
Mud: 33-65 % clay-sized constituents
Clay (-mud): 66-100 % clay-sized constituents (< 0.063 mm)
It is evident that in silt Si is more abundant, whereas in clay it is Al which prevails. Ti tends to be present in heavy minerals and might increase towards the silt. Other major elements such as Fe and Mg may also vary in a similar way. It has to be noted, that this  classification has to be tested and calibrated  for the study area in question.
Irrespective of the goal of investigation, this is only a crude and quick method to get an overview. Any attempt to get a full-blown picture of sediments  based on chemical composition only is prone to a mis-interpretation.
I wish you much success
H.G.Dill
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I did check the ammonium containg two different samples such as 2:1 clay mineral and jarosite in XRD, FTIR, EA/IRMS analysis .
and I have a plan to SEM analysis for 2:1 clay mineral  (i.c. Montmorillonite, nontrite, saponite etc..) and jarosite. 
How to distinguish between above the  two samples on the SEM images, for mineral structure or texture?  
And also, how to estimate that dioctahedral or trioctahedral type for 2:1 clay mineral on TEM analysis? I don't know whether it is possible or not.
Of course, i confrimed at 060 peak in XRD analysis..
anybody, teach me above my current issues..
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XRD is efficient
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Dear all,
Can I quantify clay minerals (in soils or rocks) using Rietveld method with MDI Jade? If yes, could any one tell me the procedures in detail?
Thanks in advence.
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In theory yes, you can quantify the fraction of clay minerals in rock samples using quantitative Rietveld refinements. But whenever I have tried this I failed, because of me not being used to doing the refinements on clay minerals, and because clay minerals often exhibit significant preferred orientation, their morphology is highly anisotropic, (they're very thin plates so e.g. the FWHM of the 00x Bragg peaks are tens of times broader than the other Bragg peaks), because they're thin plates, if you're not careful they exhibit significant preferred orientation and finally, their structure and composition can be highly variable (e.g. variations in the Si:Al ratios, variation in the interlayer cations, and exhibit interstratification).
I hope this doesn't discourage you too much from trying...
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Is there any example of mottling clay formations due to volcanic activity ? 
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Dear Mr. Bhattacharjee:
Mottled describes the outward appearance of rocks in terms of texture and rock color. A restriction of clay formation to volcanic activity would be a too one-sided view. Other parameters such as redox conditions , diagenetic differences etc. must not ignored and often play a more important part. To receive a more detailed answer you need to have a look at the entire surface of your samples or outcrops.
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Source of the Sediments and the reason for its mottled texture
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Please check out this article:
About mottled texture, can you post a couple of detailed representative photos?
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If we take a silica crystalline sample and apply to it both XRD and XRF, is there any way to predict XRF diffraction peaks based on  the XRD results?
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When working with X-ray tube excitation and analyzing crystalline samples, diffraction peaks (Bragg peaks) can occur in the XRF spectrum. These are in principle the diffraction peaks from XRD, though difficult to calculate and predict. To my knowledge there is no commercial software which includes these peaks. Monte-Carlo methods should be best adapted for such calculations.
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Hi! I have these rock types used in my research (see attached image). May I know which among these I can calculate the weathering indices (CIA, CIW, MWPI, Vogt, WI) on?
Thank you very much!
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Dear Mr. Amores,
the indices you mentioned above you can apply to different rocks. But I always recommend to do not only make use of the whole-rock chemistry of them and also take into consideration the mineralogical inventory as well as the geomorphological and pedological part of the case history. It needs some more experience and it is time-consuming but the results obtained are a more stable platform to work on.
I wish you much success
H.G.Dill