In narrative theory, looking at the changing relationship between characters and plots is a good way to account for the evolution of the discipline over the years. While debates concerning other issues-like narrativity, implied author, optional narrator, or focalization-at times appear to have frozen in some kind of Cold War-with front lines that have moved very little over the years-the way we look at the interconnection between fictional entities and the unfolding of plot has changed quite dramatically over the last few decades. This evolution is obvious if we examine a recent discussion between Thomas Pavel and Françoise Lavocat. Asked why she chose to write a book on possible world theory and the difference between fact and fiction 1 , Françoise Lavocat recalls how she discovered, in the mid 1990s, the famous essay by Thomas Pavel, Univers de la fiction: One evening that I remember very well, in February 1996, I began to read Univers de la fiction, which an analytical philosopher had advised me. I read from the very first page-which evokes Mr Pickwick-that we have the right to love characters. With this authorization, ten years of structuralism collapsed all of a sudden. In preparatory school, I had learned that characters were made of paper and that it would be very naive to picture them in another way. I read in Thomas Pavel's book that we have the right to be naive. 2 (Lavocat & Pavel 2016: n.p.) Thomas Pavel replies by saying that, when he began working on possible world theory, in the seventies, he felt quite alone: You remind me of the 1970s when the few people who had begun to think about these questions felt a little like three or four friends on an excursion into the Rocky Mountains, spending nights in easily foldable tents. Forty years later, studies on fiction seem to have reached the size of a vast metropolis, with its enormous skyscrapers. The landscape has changed a lot! At the time, we were told that what counted in Madame Bovary was the use of free indirect speech. It was certainly not false. Now, I read Madame Bovary to follow the life of the characters, to learn, for example, what will become of this unwise woman, who, among other things, buys dresses too costly for her budget. We were told that it was stupid to read novels simply to understand the plot. 3 (Lavocat & Pavel 2016: n.p.) 1 See Lavocat (2016). 2 « Un soir dont je m'en souviens très bien, en février 1996, je me suis mise à lire Univers de la fiction, qu'un philosophe analytique m'avait conseillé. Je lis, dès la première page-qui évoque Mr Pickwick-qu'on a le droit d'aimer les personnages. Avec cette autorisation, dix ans de structuralisme s'effondrent tout d'un coup. En khâgne, j'avais appris que les personnages étaient de papier et qu'il était vraiment naïf de les envisager d'une autre façon. Je lis dans le livre de Thomas Pavel qu'on a le droit d'être naïf. » 3 « Vous me rappelez les années 1970, lorsque les quelques personnes qui avaient commencé à réfléchir à ces questions se sentaient un peu comme trois ou quatre amis en excursion dans les Montagnes Rocheuses et qui passent les nuits dans des tentes facilement pliables. Quarante ans plus tard, les études sur la fiction semblent avoir atteint la dimension d'une vaste métropole avec ses énormes gratte-ciels. Le paysage a beaucoup changé ! À l'époque, on nous apprenait que ce qui comptait dans Madame Bovary, c'était l'emploi du discours indirect libre. Ce n'était certes pas faux. Or moi je lisais Madame Bovary pour suivre la vie les