Higher Institute of Forensic Sciences Al-Nahrain University Baghdad
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Started 19 February 2022
How can we criticize this painting?
This is a painting of Islamic art dating back to the thirteenth century.. How can we analyze the elements of the painting?
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Dear Doctor
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CRITICIZING ART Understanding the Contemporary (excerpts)
TERRY BARRETT
THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY
[Although a popular misconception about art criticism is that it is primarily judgmental and negative in tone, in actuality, most of the words written by critics are descriptive and interpretive rather than judgmental, and positive in tone. Critics seek to provide readers with information about artworks, and describing these artworks, many of which will not be seen by their readers. is one of their major activities. Describing is a kind of verbal pointing a critic does so that features of a work of art will be noticed and appreciated. It is also a data-gathering process. Based on, his or her descriptions. the critic ‘will form interpretations and judgments. If the critic’s description is inaccurate,, certainly, any following interpretation or judgment is suspect. With careful observation. descriptive information“ can be gathered from within the work--“internal information.” For teaching purposes. internal descriptive information is sometimes grouped under three topics: subject matter. medium, and form. These are defined with examples in the following sections.
Critics also provide descriptive information about aspects not visible in the work--that is, contextual, information such as facts about the artist or the times in which the art was made. This is “external information” and examples of this are given as well.
Critics rarely describe artworks without also interpreting and evaluating them, and at the end of the chapter the overlaps among these activities are examined.]
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University of Samarra
Jim Drummond (Arabischer Maler) is a German term that means an Arab painter, and it refers to all Arab and Muslim painters between the 7th century and the 15th century.
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York St John University
Although i have not studied Islamic art, I did consider Eastern art in contrast to Western art in developing my conjunctive theory of art. In Eastern art I was interested in the presence of absence (blank spaces) in contrast to Western.
That said I could imagine reflecting on the Artwork in this post by considering its three dimensions of skill, creativity and its mimetic qualities.
I defer to an Aristotlean conception of mimesis in the Western tradition, in which the artist brings forth some new element of learning /knowledge about the subject, rather than simply reproducing a particular image (which is a Platonic conception of mimesis). I have a copy of my development of the conjunctive theory of art in my research area.
I would hesitate to offer any actual critique as I am not as familiar with the subject as I would need to be; that said I would suggest that the work offers both artistic skill and creativity; the balance of critique must lie in its mimetic qualities.
An interesting question Zakria Hashim ,thank you for posting.
University of Samarra
David Atkinson ...thanks... I am very interested to know about the principles of your theory related to art
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University of Samarra
Ziad Alsidran
.. A painting from the Book of (Maqamat al-Hariri) "beginning of the thirteenth century" called (al- Maqamat al-Ma'ariyah), representing a court session in which the judge and witnesses appear... لوحة من كتاب مقامات الحريري (بداية القرن الثالث عشر) تسمى المقامة المعرية تمثل مجلس محاكمة يظهر فيها المشتكي والقاضي والشهود 5 Recommendations
York St John University
Zakria Hashim I hope you find the attached link of interest...
University of Samarra
David Atkinson ...... Thanks for paying attention
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James Drummond Law Firm
Though the issues raised for the judge to rule upon are unclear, in this painting the facial expressions and postures of all four characters are very distinct from one another and reveal a lot about the moods and concerns of each character. The judge's neutrality speaks of doing justice but not being moved by the pleading posture of the supplicant near his face. The witness on the left appears objective; the one on the right appears concerned and perhaps fearful. I may be wrong but even if so, the artist's rendering and capture of the expressions and postures is quite masterful.
University of Samarra
Jim Drummond ... Thanks for the interest... A worthwhile read... Facial expressions are an important point in the topic.
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Jain University
From a layman's perspective, it's appearing as though the the dark-dressed man is trying to sell an art piece, for which he is receiving handsome reward from the judge; the man behind him is pointing to the art piece's authenticity and the man behind him is angrily pointing towards the man who is pointing towards the art piece!
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University of Samarra
Achala Bhargavi ... شكرا جزيلا ... رأيك يهمني كثيرا ...هناك الكثير من العناصر المشتركة بين الفن الاسلامي والفن الهندي Thank you very much... your opinion matters a lot to me... There is a lot in common between Islamic art and Indian art
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James Drummond Law Firm
Achala Bhargavi Zakria Hashim If I were wearing my writer's hat I would write several short stories relating a number of differing interpretations of this work of art. Each character could be benevolent, malevolent or neutral, and in each story the controversy could be different. even the role and significance of the art piece might change. The more I look at this painting, the more impressed I become. I hope I can sleep tonight. :) I looked online and saw that the artist is listed as "Arabischer Maler" um 1335 and is that a single person or an unknown artist? I saw The Crow King and his Council which was Arabischer Maler um 1150 and it noted it was painted for Norman Kings. So I did not think the "artist" of both could be the same person given the dates.
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University of Samarra
Jim Drummond ..
Thank you very much..a wonderful discussion..yes, the painting can express more than one meaning..but it is a scene of a court session in which the judge, the accused and witnesses appear..and the artist who painted it is from Baghdad and is different from the artist who painted the painting you mentioned to the Normans.. Greetings
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James Drummond Law Firm
Zakria Hashim Given the dates I figured that it could not have been the same artist. Because I am a criminal defense lawyer the painting is especially compelling. I would still like to know what Arabischer Maler actually means.
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University of Samarra
Jim Drummond (Arabischer Maler) is a German term that means an Arab painter, and it refers to all Arab and Muslim painters between the 7th century and the 15th century.
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Higher Institute of Forensic Sciences Al-Nahrain University Baghdad
Dear Doctor
Go To
CRITICIZING ART Understanding the Contemporary (excerpts)
TERRY BARRETT
THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY
[Although a popular misconception about art criticism is that it is primarily judgmental and negative in tone, in actuality, most of the words written by critics are descriptive and interpretive rather than judgmental, and positive in tone. Critics seek to provide readers with information about artworks, and describing these artworks, many of which will not be seen by their readers. is one of their major activities. Describing is a kind of verbal pointing a critic does so that features of a work of art will be noticed and appreciated. It is also a data-gathering process. Based on, his or her descriptions. the critic ‘will form interpretations and judgments. If the critic’s description is inaccurate,, certainly, any following interpretation or judgment is suspect. With careful observation. descriptive information“ can be gathered from within the work--“internal information.” For teaching purposes. internal descriptive information is sometimes grouped under three topics: subject matter. medium, and form. These are defined with examples in the following sections.
Critics also provide descriptive information about aspects not visible in the work--that is, contextual, information such as facts about the artist or the times in which the art was made. This is “external information” and examples of this are given as well.
Critics rarely describe artworks without also interpreting and evaluating them, and at the end of the chapter the overlaps among these activities are examined.]
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